Anonymous wrote:As someone who at one time fully supported Israels desire to protect their land (but of course for Palestine to have theirs as well) I have switched gears and can no longer support them.

I am appalled at what both sides have done and to me they are both terrorists, not one better than the other. But to kill so many innocent children and women is unconscionable and unforgivable and for this i will not ever be able to look at Israel the same. They are heartless and ruthless and their the Palestinian lives are less valuable than the Jewish ones.

My brother lives in France and said it is very alarming what is happening right now with the antisemitism in France and we see it in Europe in general, their actions are creating undue tensions for the Jewish people. It is quite tragic.

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Anonymous wrote:As someone who at one time fully supported Israels desire to protect their land (but of course for Palestine to have theirs as well) I have switched gears and can no longer support them.

I am appalled at what both sides have done and to me they are both terrorists, not one better than the other. But to kill so many innocent children and women is unconscionable and unforgivable and for this i will not ever be able to look at Israel the same. They are heartless and ruthless and their the Palestinian lives are less valuable than the Jewish ones.

My brother lives in France and said it is very alarming what is happening right now with the antisemitism in France and we see it in Europe in general, their actions are creating undue tensions for the Jewish people. It is quite tragic.

Would it be a tragedy if American blacks were attacked in France for the actions of its President? Would it be a tragedy for Muslims to be attacked in Great Britain solely for the actions of the Muslim Brotherhood? Would it be a tragedy for my next door Jewish neighbor to have a swastika painted on their garage in retaliation for the actions of the Israeli government (and you eff with them, you eff with me and I'm not Jewish)?

So when do we stop resulting to physical confrontation outside of Israel? When do people learn to control themselves no matter how passionate of a dislike for an ethnic group?

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Anonymous wrote:Jeff, theses posts are seriously offensive. I can't imagine you being proud of what some of these threads have become. Not is there a line between anti-semitism and anti-Israel.

Not Jeff, of course, but I think there is a huge difference between anti-Semitism (and Arabs are semites by the way) and being anti-Israel (or critical of Israel). I have absolutely no problem with Jews and Judaism, but I have very strong objections to Israeli policy and American support of that policy.

Arabs are Semites on the basis that they speak a Semitic language. but, anti-Semitism refers specifically to anti-Judiasim. Palestinians suffer from prejudices against them, but -- so far -- those prejudices don't have specific labels. I do think that is is all too common to use claims of anti-Semitism as a cop out in response to anti-Israel or even neutral attitudes. See the Don Lemon thread, for instance. There is a school of thought that if you criticize Israel, but cannot conclusively demonstrate that you have also criticized every other nation that has done anything bad, you are anti-Semitic. That just ignores human behavior. But, nevertheless, there are plenty of indisputable examples of anti-Semitism and we all need to combat that regardless of our position on the conflict.

Anonymous wrote:Turning this into a discussion of anti-Semitism is a diversion straight from the Israeli playbook. Israel would be a disgusting country regardless of the religion of its leaders, because it disregards international law more than any other country and murders civilians.

The narcissism of those who want to suggest that our major concern right now should be to nip a resurgence of anti-Semitism is the bud have their priorities very misplaced. Save the dying kids in Gaza first.

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Anonymous wrote:Turning this into a discussion of anti-Semitism is a diversion straight from the Israeli playbook. Israel would be a disgusting country regardless of the religion of its leaders, because it disregards international law more than any other country and murders civilians.

The narcissism of those who want to suggest that our major concern right now should be to nip a resurgence of anti-Semitism is the bud have their priorities very misplaced. Save the dying kids in Gaza first.

If 6 million of your people were systematically exterminated you would want to nip discrimination (in this case anti-semitism) in the bud too!

Anonymous wrote:Turning this into a discussion of anti-Semitism is a diversion straight from the Israeli playbook. Israel would be a disgusting country regardless of the religion of its leaders, because it disregards international law more than any other country and murders civilians.

The narcissism of those who want to suggest that our major concern right now should be to nip a resurgence of anti-Semitism is the bud have their priorities very misplaced. Save the dying kids in Gaza first.

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Anonymous wrote:Turning this into a discussion of anti-Semitism is a diversion straight from the Israeli playbook. Israel would be a disgusting country regardless of the religion of its leaders, because it disregards international law more than any other country and murders civilians.

The narcissism of those who want to suggest that our major concern right now should be to nip a resurgence of anti-Semitism is the bud have their priorities very misplaced. Save the dying kids in Gaza first.

If 6 million of your people were systematically exterminated you would want to nip discrimination (in this case anti-semitism) in the bud too!

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Anonymous wrote:Turning this into a discussion of anti-Semitism is a diversion straight from the Israeli playbook. Israel would be a disgusting country regardless of the religion of its leaders, because it disregards international law more than any other country and murders civilians.

The narcissism of those who want to suggest that our major concern right now should be to nip a resurgence of anti-Semitism is the bud have their priorities very misplaced. Save the dying kids in Gaza first.

If 6 million of your people were systematically exterminated you would want to nip discrimination (in this case anti-semitism) in the bud too!

I think you prove PP's point.

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Anonymous wrote:Turning this into a discussion of anti-Semitism is a diversion straight from the Israeli playbook. Israel would be a disgusting country regardless of the religion of its leaders, because it disregards international law more than any other country and murders civilians.

The narcissism of those who want to suggest that our major concern right now should be to nip a resurgence of anti-Semitism is the bud have their priorities very misplaced. Save the dying kids in Gaza first.

If 6 million of your people were systematically exterminated you would want to nip discrimination (in this case anti-semitism) in the bud too!

I think you prove PP's point.

The priority of the Jews should be to prevent the resurgance of anti-semetism-after the Holocaust I can't blame then. Should kids in Gaza die-no-but neither should millions of Jewish kids.

Anonymous wrote:Turning this into a discussion of anti-Semitism is a diversion straight from the Israeli playbook. Israel would be a disgusting country regardless of the religion of its leaders, because it disregards international law more than any other country and murders civilians.

The narcissism of those who want to suggest that our major concern right now should be to nip a resurgence of anti-Semitism is the bud have their priorities very misplaced. Save the dying kids in Gaza first.

jsteele wrote:The fight to stop the killing in Gaza is not mutually exclusive from fighting anti-Semitism. We can and should do both. To the contrary, fighting the dehumanization of Palestinians and Jews is a common battle.

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Anonymous wrote:Turning this into a discussion of anti-Semitism is a diversion straight from the Israeli playbook. Israel would be a disgusting country regardless of the religion of its leaders, because it disregards international law more than any other country and murders civilians.

The narcissism of those who want to suggest that our major concern right now should be to nip a resurgence of anti-Semitism is the bud have their priorities very misplaced. Save the dying kids in Gaza first.

Of course children have priority. That is undisputed. There is no diversion of the conflict when it is the 500lb gorilla in the room; however, make so mistake that anti-semitism, unfortunately, helps feed this conflict, in and out of Israel. Israel is NOT blameless, believe that. But if you think that the majority are thinking this is just about the abhorrent behavior of some folks who live in Israel against Palestine WITHOUT the Jewish label, you are mistaken.

As far as out of a Israeli playbook, every country on this earth has used a playbook to subjugate their people economically or socially or militarily. Period.