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op here. i think you are right! it is not coming out the right way which is why i am going to stop posting on this thread. i did have a full time nanny myself and i am a sahm. i was always very involved but something didn't feel right. i only had her for a few months, but i got rid of her and am so happy about that. that was my original thinking when i posted. i was talking about myself. anyway, have a good night! |
| OP what I don't get is why your post is titled that the movie really made you rethink your choices. What choices are you now rethinking as you are already a stay at home mom who apparently is doing everything right? It's kind of creepy that you appear to have been "posing" as a working mom who is seeing the light. But then your subsequent posts - again - drive your point home that you think everyone should be and can be a stay at home mom and that your job is to judge and decide what's best for people you've never met. Maybe working moms have never said "gosh, you're right" because you do not know what's best for anyone but you. Maybe you should try the wearenotinterestedinourkids.com board - because I'd venture to say that all of us here love our kids and want the best for them and do what we think is best for them and our families. No need to continue your odd campaign to make sure you feel ok about your choices. |
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"I don't think the OP is judging or talking about those that have to work. But that said, I have a few questions for those that "must" work. I know there are a lot that do, I have been there. Do you have a cell phone, new car, cable, internet service, eat out lots? There are plenty of ways to stay home for "some". Please don't take this as all could stay home. But I do know plenty of people that could if they really wanted to, but those things listed above are too important in their life. That is shameful. Yes, I am a very proud SAHM. Would not have it any other way. Would eat beans every night if I needed, I just want to be there for my babies in this very short time of their lives."
Now this post was obnoxious. Sorry proud SAHM isn't the right description, try sanctimommy. The whole attitude of self sacrifice is ironically so needy. I do understand how many SAHMs don't get the validation they yearn for but constantly proclaiming all this nonsense to justify their choices can be quite annoying. It seems that some SAHMs, who knows maybe many, absolutely delight in any nanny horror story or fluff pieces like the nanny diaries. Whether you stay at home or work, it truly is the quality of time not the quantity of time. Some people think quantity can make up for quality, it can't. |
op here. i was never posing as a working mom. you clearly didn't read my posts. i was never a working mom and never pretended to be. not sure what you are talking about.true i did have a nanny but i wasn't working. you are just assuming that. seeing the light was about looking at things from a kid's point of view. that was it. nothing more nothing less. goodness are you so distanced from your child and from reality that you couldn't see how i could feel awful for that poor kid in the movie? you clearly have the issue with working or you wouldn't be so paranoid. it is not a campaign. obviously i do feel good about my choices which is why i was sharing in the first place! i never said my choice involved working or not working. you assumed that. maybe you are the one with the issue with working. my choices were about other things. the thread then unfortunatley turned into working v. non working but that was not my original post. good day to you! |
Thank you to poster who responded to self-sacrificing poster. To answer the original question/comment "Do you have a cell phone, new car, cable, internet service, eat out lots? There are plenty of ways to stay home for "some". Please don't take this as all could stay home. But I do know plenty of people that could if they really wanted to, but those things listed above are too important in their life. That is shameful." Uh, no. We don't. We have a ten-year-old car; internet service so I can work from home occasionally and thus spend more time with my child; eat out with DC maybe once per week; oh, and we live in a one-bedroom aparatment because we can't afford a house just now. Together, DH and I make approximately 70K, before taxes. It sounds like it should be enough, doesn't it? At least in my mind it does. If I did not work, our health care cost would be approx $300 per month, as DH's plan sucks. If DH did not work, he would have no chance of ever making more money in his field--which would keep us where we are forever. I could go on, but I won't. Because I know who I am and I am happy with my life, despite what sounds like bitching and moaning in the previous paragraph. Others--especially in this area--most definitely have more than us--but many others have much less. Our situation may be difficult in some respects, but I KNOW there are so many moms who have it way worse than me. My philosophy: make your choices and deal with it. But never, ever pretend to have any idea how people arrived at theirs or what they are dealing with. My goodness, aren't you just too busy for that? |
| quantiy vrs quality. BS. How much quality time can a child get from a parent that works 7-7. What do you do, let them stay up all night? Please, children do benifit from a PARENT, dad or mom, staying home with them. Sometimes that can not happen, but please do not state that a little quality time can make up for all the other times they are missing with the parent. It can not. Who says the 24/7 some sahm/d gives isn't quality time. All my time spent with my children is quality. And a whole lot of quanity. Stop comparing apples to oranges, they are not the same. |
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I'm the poster that was telling the OP her comments were coming out wrong. I really don't think she's intending to be judgemental (although I agree that some of the posts came out that way)....Of course, the "sanctimommy" post was clearly aimed below the belt.
I have all of those things and I make no apologies for them. I love that I work three days a week and think that most working Moms would be happier if they had the same flexible options that my work has been so gracious as to afford me. I am also fortunate that I work in a feild that pays enough that I can afford to have her in Daycare and contribute to our family income. Not all people have that luxury. Those of you out there that work and live well shouldn't have to apologize or explain yourselves either. My Mom worked and I will be happy if I am 1/2 as good a Mother as she has been to me. I know the kind of of Parent that I intend to be and it's not someone who goes around judging others. We all make our decisions and personally, I think children benefit the most from happy and fulfilled Parents who love them. Whether or not they work doesn't really matter to the child as long as they feel secure and loved. |
| for some of us a cell phone is not a luxury, but a utility. I don't have a $600 iPhone, but my free Nokia sure comes in handy in keeping track of my teenage daughter when I'm at work, or when the school nurse needs to call me while I'm walking a mile from the station to work, and calling my DH to come pick me up from the subway after work so I can go home to my kids. It's actually cheaper than spending 50 cents to use a payphone each time. I have two 10 year old cars that I bought from relatives...and the money I saved from that goes into piano lessons, karate, foreign language enrichment programs for my kids. When I come home, there is still time to play with the kiddos, help them with their hmwk, and read them a book. True, I would love to SAH more with them, but they also get to bond with great-grandmother everyday, and to me that is priceless. Working moms can still make it work. |
Who said anything about 7-7? Is this your idea of all working mothers--that we are all gone from sunup to sundown? Many of us break our asses so we can wring out every moment possible and spend less of the day at work and more at home. And for those working moms who DO work 7-7--how on earth do you have any idea what their lives are like? They are breaking their asses, too. They have their reasons, I'm sure. I'm not so insecure about my OWN choices that I need to belittle them. Why do posters like this need to make blanet assumptions about the schedules and motives of mothers who work outside the home? Get secure with your own choices; once you do, you won't be posting aimless nastiness like this anymore. |
| OP - I did read your posts. And I see a lot of judgment, a lot of name-calling (telling Moms they are distant from their kids and reality? come on), and a lot of bitterness. That is GREAT that what you're doing works for you. For the life of me I cannot understand why you can't just leave it at that. I work part-time. We have a nanny 30 hours a week. That works great for us and allows us the extravagances of a home and food. No - we don't eat out...pretty much ever. The rest of our bills are bare bones because we made tradeoffs for me to go part-time. But do I think that because this is what we do that everyone should and can? No. It's hard for me to imagine being that self-righteous. |
| OP, you never answered the question of what choices the movie made you rethink. |
My goodness, it was just a satirical movie. Artists use all kinds of scenarios to provide comic entertainment. The are not designed to be taken seriously but to be found amusing. Insulting the author is out of order and reflects more on your issues than on their abilities as authors. I get all sorts of snide remarks about my full time nanny who I still keep even though my DC is in school until 4 most days but they do not bother me because I am completely content with my decision to have her. I know I love my child and I know my child is happy so others' opinions are like "water off a duck's back". I can watch this movie and laugh with the rest of them because it’s entertainment - period. |
| You can watch this movie and laugh because the movie has nothing to do with you. The idea of a woman treating her life that way is funny to a person who would never treat their own life that way. Of course, in reality it would be sad, but it's a movie so it's funny. I'm assuming you don't call your nanny "Nanny" either. It reminded me of Will & Grace when Caren would call her house staff by their job...."Cook"...."Driver". Hehe. It's ridiculous. Also, women don't get jobs being Nannies of high powered families by walking around in the park. I am not anywhere near that level of income and would never hire someone to work in my house taking care of my child who had no references or experience. |