Fired for "disrespectful" Facebook post about my company!

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:PP, there is at least one NLRB case on the issue of "likes" being concerted (they are, and it's the same as engaging in a conversation).


Yup, that totally makes sense to me. The whole point of "likes" is that you are showing that you _agree_ with the status update! That's the same thing, these days, as if the OP made her statements in the lunchroom and asked for a show of hands for those who agreed with her. Those who raised their hands = "liking" on FB.


Hmmm....I'm just wondering, because I've screwed up on facebook before and by accident, liked something, or sent a friend request. Especially on my iPad, if you hover over something it's pretty sensitive. this wouldn't apply to OP since she blatantly wrote an update, but I'm wondering if someone could argue they didn't mean to like something. Seems like it would be pretty plausible.
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:I'd fire you for that, too. FWIW.


And, you would have committed a violation of federal labor law.


Not in an at-will state. I can fire whoever I want for disparaging her employer on social media. Hell, I can fire her for picking her nose. You can sue, but you'd lose.


Wrong. The NLRA applies in all 50 states. There is no such thing as an "at-will" state.

Yes, you could fire her for picking her nose, but you cannot fire her for complaining about her working conditions along with other co-workers.
You are right that you could fire her for "disparaging her employer" but it is a fine line between disparagement and talking about working conditions with her co-workers.

If I were you, I would consult an attorney before firing any employees. The NLRB has focused a lot of attention on social media cases recently.


OP wasn't engaging in conversation on Facebook. She made a status and a couples coworkers "liked" the post. Didn't even put an "I agree!"


I haven't researched the issue of "likes," but if I represented the OP, I would argue that other co-workers "liking" her posts was enough to be "concerted" activity. I'm sure there are cases that discuss this. And who knows what other facts there may be that the OP has not shared.


You sound like everything people hate about lawyers. Who's going to protect employers from litigious ambulance chaser idiots like you? Common sense says if you go complain about your employer on social media and your employer sees it, your employer is within their rights to fire you. You make it sound like she has a right to a job.


NP. Don't blame the lawyers. Do they make and enforce the laws? Maybe you should go to law school and attempt to get appointed to the NLRB, since you're so disgusted. Take it up with them.
Anonymous
Hope OP has proof of those likes! If I were her coworker I'd be racing to my computer to unlike her comment immediately
FruminousBandersnatch
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I'd fire you for that, too. FWIW.


And, you would have committed a violation of federal labor law.


Not in an at-will state. I can fire whoever I want for disparaging her employer on social media. Hell, I can fire her for picking her nose. You can sue, but you'd lose.


Wrong. The NLRA applies in all 50 states. There is no such thing as an "at-will" state.

Yes, you could fire her for picking her nose, but you cannot fire her for complaining about her working conditions along with other co-workers.
You are right that you could fire her for "disparaging her employer" but it is a fine line between disparagement and talking about working conditions with her co-workers.

If I were you, I would consult an attorney before firing any employees. The NLRB has focused a lot of attention on social media cases recently.


OP wasn't engaging in conversation on Facebook. She made a status and a couples coworkers "liked" the post. Didn't even put an "I agree!"


I haven't researched the issue of "likes," but if I represented the OP, I would argue that other co-workers "liking" her posts was enough to be "concerted" activity. I'm sure there are cases that discuss this. And who knows what other facts there may be that the OP has not shared.


You sound like everything people hate about lawyers. Who's going to protect employers from litigious ambulance chaser idiots like you? Common sense says if you go complain about your employer on social media and your employer sees it, your employer is within their rights to fire you. You make it sound like she has a right to a job.


She doesn't have a right to a job per se, but she does have a right to do certain things without being in fear of losing her job.

There is, because of its very nature, a power imbalance between employers and employees, and the law exists to address that power imbalance.

That imbalance is why unions exist and why the NLRA was passed.

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Your employer may have committed an unfair labor practice because you engaged in concerted activity by complaining about a workplace condition (no raise) with your co-workers (as evidenced by the "likes" you got). This protected, concerted activity is protected by the National Labor Relations Act-- regardless of whether you were represented by a union (most people don't realize that the NLRA protects them even if they aren't unionized).

Recently the NLRB has pursued many cases on behalf of employees who engaged in protected concerted activity through social media. If you google NLRB and Facebook cases, you can learn more.

I don't know where you live, but go to the NLRB website, and call the Regional Office where your company is located. They will direct you to a Board Agent, where you can file your ULP charge. The Agent will interview you and you can give an affidavit. If there is merit to your allegations, the Region may issue a complaint.

Unfortunately, due to our broken labor laws, you will not likely get your job back or get any back pay for years while your case winds its way through the system. You should start looking for a new job ASAP. Failure to mitigate your damages--by not working-- will reduce any back pay award you may receive (years down the road).

hope this helps.


I think a unilateral post on Facebook is a stretch to construe as "concerted activity" unless OP can convincingly show that it was done in concert with other employees, etc.

Nice try but this argument wouldn't persuade me.

Mainly OP's situation confirms my wonder at why the heck people post these things publicly when it's so easy to trace to the source and nail you for it if they're so inclined. Sense has gone out the window.
Anonymous
Never mind the legal aspect of this, I hope you realize what you did was stupid and immature.
Anonymous
FruminousBandersnatch wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I'd fire you for that, too. FWIW.


And, you would have committed a violation of federal labor law.


Not in an at-will state. I can fire whoever I want for disparaging her employer on social media. Hell, I can fire her for picking her nose. You can sue, but you'd lose.


Wrong. The NLRA applies in all 50 states. There is no such thing as an "at-will" state.

Yes, you could fire her for picking her nose, but you cannot fire her for complaining about her working conditions along with other co-workers.
You are right that you could fire her for "disparaging her employer" but it is a fine line between disparagement and talking about working conditions with her co-workers.

If I were you, I would consult an attorney before firing any employees. The NLRB has focused a lot of attention on social media cases recently.


OP wasn't engaging in conversation on Facebook. She made a status and a couples coworkers "liked" the post. Didn't even put an "I agree!"


I haven't researched the issue of "likes," but if I represented the OP, I would argue that other co-workers "liking" her posts was enough to be "concerted" activity. I'm sure there are cases that discuss this. And who knows what other facts there may be that the OP has not shared.


You sound like everything people hate about lawyers. Who's going to protect employers from litigious ambulance chaser idiots like you? Common sense says if you go complain about your employer on social media and your employer sees it, your employer is within their rights to fire you. You make it sound like she has a right to a job.


She doesn't have a right to a job per se, but she does have a right to do certain things without being in fear of losing her job.

There is, because of its very nature, a power imbalance between employers and employees, and the law exists to address that power imbalance.

That imbalance is why unions exist and why the NLRA was passed.



That's messed up. The premise that there should be a balance employer between employer and employee is fundamentally flawed.
Anonymous
15:38 and 15:43, are you lawyers?

I'd be surprised if you said "yes."
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I'd fire you for that, too. FWIW.


And, you would have committed a violation of federal labor law.


Not in an at-will state. I can fire whoever I want for disparaging her employer on social media. Hell, I can fire her for picking her nose. You can sue, but you'd lose.


Wrong. The NLRA applies in all 50 states. There is no such thing as an "at-will" state.

Yes, you could fire her for picking her nose, but you cannot fire her for complaining about her working conditions along with other co-workers.
You are right that you could fire her for "disparaging her employer" but it is a fine line between disparagement and talking about working conditions with her co-workers.

If I were you, I would consult an attorney before firing any employees. The NLRB has focused a lot of attention on social media cases recently.


OP wasn't engaging in conversation on Facebook. She made a status and a couples coworkers "liked" the post. Didn't even put an "I agree!"


I haven't researched the issue of "likes," but if I represented the OP, I would argue that other co-workers "liking" her posts was enough to be "concerted" activity. I'm sure there are cases that discuss this. And who knows what other facts there may be that the OP has not shared.


You sound like everything people hate about lawyers. Who's going to protect employers from litigious ambulance chaser idiots like you? Common sense says if you go complain about your employer on social media and your employer sees it, your employer is within their rights to fire you. You make it sound like she has a right to a job.


seriously, who's going to protect employers from employees trying to sue them just because they violated the law? (answer: the employers' attorneys, idiot.)
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Hope OP has proof of those likes! If I were her coworker I'd be racing to my computer to unlike her comment immediately


Where are the lawyers to chime in that would be destroying evidence lol
Anonymous
The NLRA does not have a private right of action. So a worker like OP cannot sue employer in court for violating her rights. Her only recourse is to file an unfair labor practice charge with her Regional Office and the Region will decide whether to bring a complaint against the employer. The employer can either decide to fight it, and there will be an administrative hearing, or just settle. Note that the worker does not need to have a lawyer. If the Region decides to issue the complaint, then it will pursue the case against the employer.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Your employer may have committed an unfair labor practice because you engaged in concerted activity by complaining about a workplace condition (no raise) with your co-workers (as evidenced by the "likes" you got). This protected, concerted activity is protected by the National Labor Relations Act-- regardless of whether you were represented by a union (most people don't realize that the NLRA protects them even if they aren't unionized).

Recently the NLRB has pursued many cases on behalf of employees who engaged in protected concerted activity through social media. If you google NLRB and Facebook cases, you can learn more.

I don't know where you live, but go to the NLRB website, and call the Regional Office where your company is located. They will direct you to a Board Agent, where you can file your ULP charge. The Agent will interview you and you can give an affidavit. If there is merit to your allegations, the Region may issue a complaint.

Unfortunately, due to our broken labor laws, you will not likely get your job back or get any back pay for years while your case winds its way through the system. You should start looking for a new job ASAP. Failure to mitigate your damages--by not working-- will reduce any back pay award you may receive (years down the road).

hope this helps.


I think a unilateral post on Facebook is a stretch to construe as "concerted activity" unless OP can convincingly show that it was done in concert with other employees, etc.

Nice try but this argument wouldn't persuade me.

Mainly OP's situation confirms my wonder at why the heck people post these things publicly when it's so easy to trace to the source and nail you for it if they're so inclined. Sense has gone out the window.


you did not read closely enough. the likes are evidence of coworkers participating in the dicussion. hence, concerted. there is NLRB case law on this.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Never mind the legal aspect of this, I hope you realize what you did was stupid and immature.


+1
Anonymous
stay off facebook and twitter and social media unless you have 'fuck you' money or 'fuck you' status.

i.e. that you are so much of a baller that if someone at work gives you shit you can tell them 'fuck you' because you are the eliot ness of that bitch.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:stay off facebook and twitter and social media unless you have 'fuck you' money or 'fuck you' status.

i.e. that you are so much of a baller that if someone at work gives you shit you can tell them 'fuck you' because you are the eliot ness of that bitch.


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