New Neighbor and Smoking

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[Post New]05/18/2013 21:49
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Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Your children are not at a very high risk of second hand smoke if they are running through a neighbors yard or playing outside. They are much more likely to be affected by the toxins we breathe every day from car exhaust, pollution, etc. You cannot dictate what someone does on their own property.


+1!!!

The cars that go by pollute more carbon monoxide in the air than cigarettes. Same with a grill. Same with a chimney. Non-organic produce is probably worse than your neighbor. Frankly, there is no way you all get any second-hand smoke unless it's a townhouse or rowhouse, then even its just a smidgen.

[Post New]05/18/2013 22:36
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Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:OP you are bat shit crazy. I hate smoke too but you are taking it over the top. Of course you can take your children inside, you can talk to them about why smoking is bad, but it is still legal and you have zero right to tell these people what to do on their property. You can always just sell your house and move. For the record I think that would be stupid, but somehow I don't see this ending well for you.


I tend to agree with this opinion...
[Post New]05/18/2013 23:04
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far far too much time on your hands. And +1 on being so strictly against any alcohol that they never see it being consumed responsibly. It is fine of course that YOU dont drink as that is your choice but many people do and they do it responsibly.
I was introduced to alcohol at the table in Europe at a family dinner - no lectures, just enjoying a fine wine with a pot roast. I also was offered sherry with appetizers at friend's houses in France. There was no drama there either and I didnt like the taste of it. I was 15 both times. And now as an adult, I have a drink now and then but I have never understood the idea of drinking alcohol to get drunk. It wasnt something I did in college the way kids in the US do.
I am not saying to break out the Whiskey for the kids but demonizing it might not be the right way to go here. Same thing for cigarettes.
I have 3 kids and we live in a rowhouse in NW and sometimes we go out front and there is something I am not so fond of going on with music and aggressive lyrics coming from a car, or kids using foul language etc....we just move it along to avoid or we go play in the back. You dont own the world. But you do own your feet
[Post New]05/19/2013 11:45
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Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:OP here. I do not drink, and I do not condone drinking either. I would never bring my kids to a party where alcohol was being served, I understand many adults enjoy a beer or cup of wine, but I do not see why I should be expected to push that on my kids by taking them to parties where alcohol is served. If they choose to drink when they are 21, that is fine, I don't see why I should teach them that drinking or smoking is fine by bombarding them with experiences of people doing either.

As for how I knew DC had less smokers, I had a lot of friends/family in the area who said as much. Also, if anyone spent more then a day in Philadelphia, they would know just how many people there smoke, I would come back home from work (in center city Philly) smelling like old cigarettes from walking down market street during the day time, literally every other person you would pass was smoking. Then I got a job offer in DC which helped me choose as well.

Anyway, I think it is perfectly fine to ask the neighbors to be respectful of my kid's health. They can smoke indoors or in their back yard, why they just have to smoke right in the front where the smoke puts the neighborhood kids in danger is beyond me.


You would never bring your children to a wedding? or allow them to attend a bar/bat mitzvah where alcohol is served to the adults? Or an office Christmas party where, again, alcohol is served to the adults? Or a 4th of July party? Hey, how about a restaurant? An airplane?

You are setting your children up for drinking problems if you don't allow them to see what responsible drinking is. Because when they are in high school they will be exposed to alcohol. And they will see that every evil thing you have told them would happen doesn't happen and they will be poorly equipped to exercise judgment. Do you really think you can keep them away from alcohol until they are 21? What about college?


OP here- Of course not. I see alcohol being illegal in 5-10 years, and I don't want my kids being part of the group selling their bodies for the last drop of liquor.

When we normalize cigarettes and alcohol we tell our kids that it is perfectly fine to drink a beer with dinner or smoke a pack a day. It is not fine, it is destructive and hurts those who love us. My father was a drunk who beat my mother and me, I have seen what alcohol can to to otherwise loving individuals. People say that it is only one glass, but then my dad would come into my room and hit me and beat me with his belt.
[Post New]05/19/2013 11:55
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Anonymous
that would be the nail in the coffin of crazy troll
[Post New]05/19/2013 11:57
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Anonymous
OP here- Of course not. I see alcohol being illegal in 5-10 years, and I don't want my kids being part of the group selling their bodies for the last drop of liquor.

When we normalize cigarettes and alcohol we tell our kids that it is perfectly fine to drink a beer with dinner or smoke a pack a day. It is not fine, it is destructive and hurts those who love us. My father was a drunk who beat my mother and me, I have seen what alcohol can to to otherwise loving individuals. People say that it is only one glass, but then my dad would come into my room and hit me and beat me with his belt.


Before this, I thought you were just a neurotic, self-absorbed busybody with no conception of proper social boundaries.

But now, I'm going to have to sign on with the "OP is bat-shit crazy" posters.
[Post New]05/19/2013 12:01
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Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:

OP here- Of course not. I see alcohol being illegal in 5-10 years



The US tried this once already, between 1920 and 1933. It had unintended consequences.

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=us+prohibition+unintended+consequences
[Post New]05/19/2013 20:32
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Anonymous
OP here. I do not drink, and I do not condone drinking either. I would never bring my kids to a party where alcohol was being served, I understand many adults enjoy a beer or cup of wine, but I do not see why I should be expected to push that on my kids by taking them to parties where alcohol is served. If they choose to drink when they are 21, that is fine, I don't see why I should teach them that drinking or smoking is fine by bombarding them with experiences of people doing either.

As for how I knew DC had less smokers, I had a lot of friends/family in the area who said as much. Also, if anyone spent more then a day in Philadelphia, they would know just how many people there smoke, I would come back home from work (in center city Philly) smelling like old cigarettes from walking down market street during the day time, literally every other person you would pass was smoking. Then I got a job offer in DC which helped me choose as well.

Anyway, I think it is perfectly fine to ask the neighbors to be respectful of my kid's health. They can smoke indoors or in their back yard, why they just have to smoke right in the front where the smoke puts the neighborhood kids in danger is beyond me.


Well, your kid's health will be fine. To be extra sure, you could instruct them to stay away from the neighbors and their yard. That would be extreme, of course, but so is your fear of your kids seeing anyone drink or smoke.

We get it, you don't like smoking. Avoid it. But don't even think you have the right to tell someone who does smoke what to do unless they are in your home.
[Post New]05/19/2013 22:47
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Anonymous
OP, I mean this seriously, you need help. Your views are so exterme that you will utterly fail to protect your children who will see that one drink will not lead to ruin, that you weren't being honest with them about that, and therefore they will have no idea how to set limits.

I had a beer with dinner. And then I had a lovely evening with my family. The fact that you think alcohol will be illegal one day makes me think you are truly irrational on this topic. You should get help because for all the ways you believe you are hanging on tight, your disconnect with the world as it is, the world your children are growing up in, means you could really lose them.
[Post New]05/20/2013 00:10
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Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:OP. If I smoked and you came on my property and asked me to quit, I'd light up in front of you. Then, I'd recruit smokers to come over every noght and light up.


+100
[Post New]05/20/2013 03:58
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Anonymous
Yeah, don't know what world OP lives in where she thinks alcohol will be outlawd in 5 - 10 years. She must read different papers than I. Didn't Colorado and several other states loosen restrictions on the possession and use of marijuana? When I move to CO, I plan to sit on my front porch and just blaze away!
[Post New]05/20/2013 09:12
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Anonymous
OP sounds trollish...getting more and more outlandish as the post goes on.
[Post New]05/20/2013 09:16
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Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:OP sounds trollish...getting more and more outlandish as the post goes on.


Agreed but this seems like a more harmless troll where people are just making fun of her rather investing time and concern into the issue
[Post New]05/20/2013 09:24
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ThatSmileyFaceGuy
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:OP sounds trollish...getting more and more outlandish as the post goes on.


Agreed but this seems like a more harmless troll where people are just making fun of her rather investing time and concern into the issue
Because OP is deserving of scorn. She is the busybody nanny state type that probably sits in her front room with a pair of binoculars just looking for reasons to get offended.
[Post New]05/20/2013 09:36
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Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:OP sounds trollish...getting more and more outlandish as the post goes on.


Object to the -ish.
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