Anonymous wrote:

CindyBindy wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Cindy, your attempts to come across as a model of erudition are only exceeded by your appalling ignorance of Indian and other cultures.

Explain, specifically, where I am ignorant and exactly why. Be specific. If you can't be specific, I'm not going to bother listening to what you have to say. If I gave these idiotic racist rants the respect of responding seriously to them, you can try and do the same for me. And if by other cultures you mean that Brazil nonsense again, I'm going to assume you're yet another person who has persisted in not understanding my point.

But you do take the cake for sheer pretentiousness.

If you think that my style of speaking is pretentiously erudite, I don't know what to say. This is how I have always spoken since I was a kid, and how every single other person I know speaks. If you think being thoughtful and educated about a subject you're arguing about is "pretentious", then I really don't know what to say.

Jesus get a life lady.

Anonymous wrote:

CindyBindy wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
I don't think the pimply nerd is a good analogy... Its more like a insecure bully who you have to watch what you say or you'll get effed up.

I can't be ignorant because I'm fully aware of AA culture, grew up surrounded by it. Know it in and out. Now again, its not exactly the fault of the AA community that as a culture there's insecurity. I'm not attacking here, I'm saying if it never goes away, progress will not be made. And I think racist want AA to be secure and encourage it.

Now, I never claimed that people should throw around stereotypes, I claimed that a society where one group can never be offended will never be an equal society. One group will always be the offended and the other will have the power to always be able to manipulate and push their buttons.

Okay, thanks for explaining. I think the first thing we need to do is understand that African-American culture is extremely diverse in and of itself. You may have grown up in a predominantly African-American neighborhood so you've drawn some experiences from that. Fine. But let's also realize that maybe your neighborhood only represented a slice of the wider black culture in America. The African-Americans of Sag Harbor, for example, are a world apart from the African-Americans of inner city Chicago, and even within those groups there are distinctions.

If you are talking about a segment of the African-American community which is historically poor and disadvantaged, like say inner city neighborhoods and the like, then they also have complex and horribly fascinating reasons for as to why generations of so-called "hang-ups" and, in your words, "insecurities" have built up. For example - and this is just one example, not to drag this out - I was reading about a book which examines why poor, urban African-Americans thinking that studying hard and trying to excel academically is "selling out" and "acting white". Apparently this insecurity stems directly from the era of desegregation. It's horribly fascinating because this was an unintentional negative side effect of a good outcome of the civil rights movement.

Apparently when black children were integrated into white schools for the first time, they left a protective and nurturing environment in which black schools and black teachers were banded together and encouraging them to excel. In that environment, they had positive role models who gave them to confidence to try and study hard. In white schools, many of them faced subtle indications that they weren't going to be held to the same exacting standards as white kids, or that their teachers just didn't expect much from them - whether that was because the teachers were well-meaning white liberals or because they were racist is unknown and it was probably a mix of both. But it led to a lack of academic confidence among kids who were already poor or lower-middle-class, and their children have inherited that today.

I'm not trying to cast African-Americans as perpetual victims, and I also don't believe all African-Americans see themselves as victims either. But for those that do, we should understand that it is hard to break out of that attitude when you come from a place where your cultural confidence in yourself and your identity has always been low due to poverty, lack of education, and seeing negative stereotypes about your community constantly being reinforced.

Cindy you are not African American . Stop talking about our culture. Focus on your own damn racist rapey culture. Fix YOUR house first.

CindyBindy wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
I don't think the pimply nerd is a good analogy... Its more like a insecure bully who you have to watch what you say or you'll get effed up.

I can't be ignorant because I'm fully aware of AA culture, grew up surrounded by it. Know it in and out. Now again, its not exactly the fault of the AA community that as a culture there's insecurity. I'm not attacking here, I'm saying if it never goes away, progress will not be made. And I think racist want AA to be secure and encourage it.

Now, I never claimed that people should throw around stereotypes, I claimed that a society where one group can never be offended will never be an equal society. One group will always be the offended and the other will have the power to always be able to manipulate and push their buttons.

Okay, thanks for explaining. I think the first thing we need to do is understand that African-American culture is extremely diverse in and of itself. You may have grown up in a predominantly African-American neighborhood so you've drawn some experiences from that. Fine. But let's also realize that maybe your neighborhood only represented a slice of the wider black culture in America. The African-Americans of Sag Harbor, for example, are a world apart from the African-Americans of inner city Chicago, and even within those groups there are distinctions.

If you are talking about a segment of the African-American community which is historically poor and disadvantaged, like say inner city neighborhoods and the like, then they also have complex and horribly fascinating reasons for as to why generations of so-called "hang-ups" and, in your words, "insecurities" have built up. For example - and this is just one example, not to drag this out - I was reading about a book which examines why poor, urban African-Americans thinking that studying hard and trying to excel academically is "selling out" and "acting white". Apparently this insecurity stems directly from the era of desegregation. It's horribly fascinating because this was an unintentional negative side effect of a good outcome of the civil rights movement.

Apparently when black children were integrated into white schools for the first time, they left a protective and nurturing environment in which black schools and black teachers were banded together and encouraging them to excel. In that environment, they had positive role models who gave them to confidence to try and study hard. In white schools, many of them faced subtle indications that they weren't going to be held to the same exacting standards as white kids, or that their teachers just didn't expect much from them - whether that was because the teachers were well-meaning white liberals or because they were racist is unknown and it was probably a mix of both. But it led to a lack of academic confidence among kids who were already poor or lower-middle-class, and their children have inherited that today.

I'm not trying to cast African-Americans as perpetual victims, and I also don't believe all African-Americans see themselves as victims either. But for those that do, we should understand that it is hard to break out of that attitude when you come from a place where your cultural confidence in yourself and your identity has always been low due to poverty, lack of education, and seeing negative stereotypes about your community constantly being reinforced.

CindyBindy wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

CindyBindy wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
I don't think the pimply nerd is a good analogy... Its more like a insecure bully who you have to watch what you say or you'll get effed up.

I can't be ignorant because I'm fully aware of AA culture, grew up surrounded by it. Know it in and out. Now again, its not exactly the fault of the AA community that as a culture there's insecurity. I'm not attacking here, I'm saying if it never goes away, progress will not be made. And I think racist want AA to be secure and encourage it.

Now, I never claimed that people should throw around stereotypes, I claimed that a society where one group can never be offended will never be an equal society. One group will always be the offended and the other will have the power to always be able to manipulate and push their buttons.

Okay, thanks for explaining. I think the first thing we need to do is understand that African-American culture is extremely diverse in and of itself. You may have grown up in a predominantly African-American neighborhood so you've drawn some experiences from that. Fine. But let's also realize that maybe your neighborhood only represented a slice of the wider black culture in America. The African-Americans of Sag Harbor, for example, are a world apart from the African-Americans of inner city Chicago, and even within those groups there are distinctions.

If you are talking about a segment of the African-American community which is historically poor and disadvantaged, like say inner city neighborhoods and the like, then they also have complex and horribly fascinating reasons for as to why generations of so-called "hang-ups" and, in your words, "insecurities" have built up. For example - and this is just one example, not to drag this out - I was reading about a book which examines why poor, urban African-Americans thinking that studying hard and trying to excel academically is "selling out" and "acting white". Apparently this insecurity stems directly from the era of desegregation. It's horribly fascinating because this was an unintentional negative side effect of a good outcome of the civil rights movement.

Apparently when black children were integrated into white schools for the first time, they left a protective and nurturing environment in which black schools and black teachers were banded together and encouraging them to excel. In that environment, they had positive role models who gave them to confidence to try and study hard. In white schools, many of them faced subtle indications that they weren't going to be held to the same exacting standards as white kids, or that their teachers just didn't expect much from them - whether that was because the teachers were well-meaning white liberals or because they were racist is unknown and it was probably a mix of both. But it led to a lack of academic confidence among kids who were already poor or lower-middle-class, and their children have inherited that today.

I'm not trying to cast African-Americans as perpetual victims, and I also don't believe all African-Americans see themselves as victims either. But for those that do, we should understand that it is hard to break out of that attitude when you come from a place where your cultural confidence in yourself and your identity has always been low due to poverty, lack of education, and seeing negative stereotypes about your community constantly being reinforced.

Cindy you are not African American . Stop talking about our culture. Focus on your own damn racist rapey culture. Fix YOUR house first.

Wow. Just wow.

This is where I know you have a huge comprehension problem. Which part of this makes it look like I'm attacking your culture, you ignorant idiot? I've been defending African-American culture from racism in this entire thread.

Anonymous wrote:

I've been going back and forth and disagreed with you in several areas but let me help you by saying stop feeding this troll.

Anonymous wrote:CindyB, what should be obvious is that you are not an effective communicator. When what you say is being allegedly repeatedly misunderstood not only as it pertains to Indian culture but also Brazilian and African-American culture, rather than attack the comprehension ability of everyone else, perhaps it calls for a degree of introspection on your part.

To put it succinctly, the points you are trying to get across are not coming through and it does not help when you attack the lack of comprehension of others who read your posts.

CindyBindy wrote:

Anonymous wrote:CindyB, what should be obvious is that you are not an effective communicator. When what you say is being allegedly repeatedly misunderstood not only as it pertains to Indian culture but also Brazilian and African-American culture, rather than attack the comprehension ability of everyone else, perhaps it calls for a degree of introspection on your part.

To put it succinctly, the points you are trying to get across are not coming through and it does not help when you attack the lack of comprehension of others who read your posts.

I think I explained myself several times, and in different ways. In fact, a couple pages ago I apologized if I was misunderstood and re-explained everything in context. If it was still unclear, then I don't know what to say. I read over my posts again. I think they were pretty clear. I would try explaining it again, but to be honest this is exhausting, is distracting me from my real work, and I don't see anyone bothering to listen - instead, it's just troll after racist after troll.

Anonymous wrote:

Your mode of communication is to repeatedly attack what others say and to dismiss the validity of their viewpoint. Frankly, that causes others to be less than receptive to the valid points you do make.

Anonymous wrote:You are so clueless you don't realize how insulting your comments -spoken as gospel- about AA are. You Cindy are the troll that needs to go back under your bridge.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You are so clueless you don't realize how insulting your comments -spoken as gospel- about AA are. You Cindy are the troll that needs to go back under your bridge.

You must be white. Many of her points were spot on.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You are so clueless you don't realize how insulting your comments -spoken as gospel- about AA are. You Cindy are the troll that needs to go back under your bridge.

You must be white. Many of her points were spot on.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You are so clueless you don't realize how insulting your comments -spoken as gospel- about AA are. You Cindy are the troll that needs to go back under your bridge.

You must be white. Many of her points were spot on.

No and they were not.