Insensitive Drs at Childrens (overweight child)

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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:For a look at different body types at similar height/weights take a look at

http://www.mybodygallery.com/


Oh my God. The 5' 4" 240-lb photos made me want to cry for this young girl.


http://www.mybodygallery.com/photos-19008-body-shape.htm#img



there are MANY different body types in the 5'4" 240 lb photo gallery. Do not say that this is not about "looks" when you just based your "wanting to cry for her" on how ONE person in that weight/height category look.
Anonymous
See, moving the thread has just opened OP up to attacks from new people. I feel like she was cast out of the SN section and I'm sorry that happened. I think childhood obesity (plus a hormonal disorder plus a head injury) is a special need.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:

Hi it's the op again. I am not trying to refute anything. What more do you want? Yes she had a hormonal condition which we corrected and it took many different approaches to find one that actually worked. How fast do you lose weight pp? I know that dd has a long road ahead but she is on that road. No maybe I didn't always help her make the best food choices. Yes I'm obese as well but not as a result of sitting on my ass eating crap. I'm fat because I can only walk for abt 20 mins a day as a result of a birth defect. It is one thing to tell my dd that she is fat
if she is not doing anything abt it, but she is
So yes I do care about the fact that drs are always saying "oh yeah so I know you lost weight. But you're still fat and you aren't doing anything abt it.... Oh bye the way you know you are fat right? And you have a lot of health risks"


Actually, that's the exact reason you are obese.

Do you mean to imply that if you were able to do say 21 minutes of walking a day that it would somehow counteract eating too many calories?

I am a normal weight. I don't exercise unless you want to count walking down the hall to a meeting every now and then and walking around my house. I can not eat a lot of processed, unhealthy foods. I can not eat a ton of calories each day either. I am sure I could lose weight if I decided to exercise but meh, I admit I am just too lazy.

Anonymous
OP, I too am 5'4 currently a size 14 BUT I am 2 months postpartum and weigh 160. You need a reality check. Your DD is at least a size 20W and she needs help.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:See, moving the thread has just opened OP up to attacks from new people. I feel like she was cast out of the SN section and I'm sorry that happened. I think childhood obesity (plus a hormonal disorder plus a head injury) is a special need.


So what distinguishes a special need from a health /medical issue? Should everyone with a health related question about their child be posting in SN? In OPs case she was actually upset that they noticed the obesity - so this was something she wanted ignored not addressed as her reason for the medical visit was the temporary head injury.

Now I am confused. In the past questions related to health/medicine have gone either in health and medicine or in general parenting - you are saying they should all be in special needs?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:


please save your tears, OP just posted this in the SN page

"also. as the OP, this pic is almost exactly what my DD looks like

http://www.mybodygallery.com/photos-10109-body-shape.htm#img

of course that isnt my DD but that girl with darker skin, longer hair (dd's hair is bra strap length) and no arm tats is a spitting image of DD. i can even see my daughter wearing that headband "


That's fat.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:See, moving the thread has just opened OP up to attacks from new people. I feel like she was cast out of the SN section and I'm sorry that happened. I think childhood obesity (plus a hormonal disorder plus a head injury) is a special need.


So what distinguishes a special need from a health /medical issue? Should everyone with a health related question about their child be posting in SN? In OPs case she was actually upset that they noticed the obesity - so this was something she wanted ignored not addressed as her reason for the medical visit was the temporary head injury.

Now I am confused. In the past questions related to health/medicine have gone either in health and medicine or in general parenting - you are saying they should all be in special needs?


Acute health problems don't belong on the SN section, but chronic health problems absolutely do. It is not uncommon for parents of children with chronic health problems to post there. A hormonal imbalance and obesity are chronic health problems.

I have never been angry before at the monitoring on this site. My general feeling is that it should be monitored more. But this continues to make me angry. OP was kicked out of the SN section because of fat shaming, pure and simple. If her DD had been struggling with being underweight, she would not have been kicked out. I know because parents have posted about that concern before. Neither would she be attacked over and over again because of her DD's weight. As you can see, the attacks continue. Kicking OP out of the SN section just sends the message that (1) fat is different and somehow negates her DD's other chronic health problem. (2) Fat shaming is OK. Never mind that her DD's weight is largely the result of a chronic disorder and that her DD has made heroic inroads into correcting the problem.

In our culture we love to attack fat people. So all these normal weight people come on and say "look at me, I can keep my weight under control. You are BAD you fat mother and daughter." never mind that OP's DD has lost weight and is continuing to lose weight, that her weight gain is the result of a medical condition, that OP is not in denial about her DD's weight but posted about it in her original post. never mind that her DD is a teenager for God's sake, and has to deal with the emotional fallout of it all (which is really what OP's post was about). Everyone has their knives out. You are the ones who should be ashamed.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:See, moving the thread has just opened OP up to attacks from new people. I feel like she was cast out of the SN section and I'm sorry that happened. I think childhood obesity (plus a hormonal disorder plus a head injury) is a special need.


So what distinguishes a special need from a health /medical issue? Should everyone with a health related question about their child be posting in SN? In OPs case she was actually upset that they noticed the obesity - so this was something she wanted ignored not addressed as her reason for the medical visit was the temporary head injury.

Now I am confused. In the past questions related to health/medicine have gone either in health and medicine or in general parenting - you are saying they should all be in special needs?


Acute health problems don't belong on the SN section, but chronic health problems absolutely do. It is not uncommon for parents of children with chronic health problems to post there. A hormonal imbalance and obesity are chronic health problems.

I have never been angry before at the monitoring on this site. My general feeling is that it should be monitored more. But this continues to make me angry. OP was kicked out of the SN section because of fat shaming, pure and simple. If her DD had been struggling with being underweight, she would not have been kicked out. I know because parents have posted about that concern before. Neither would she be attacked over and over again because of her DD's weight. As you can see, the attacks continue. Kicking OP out of the SN section just sends the message that (1) fat is different and somehow negates her DD's other chronic health problem. (2) Fat shaming is OK. Never mind that her DD's weight is largely the result of a chronic disorder and that her DD has made heroic inroads into correcting the problem.

In our culture we love to attack fat people. So all these normal weight people come on and say "look at me, I can keep my weight under control. You are BAD you fat mother and daughter." never mind that OP's DD has lost weight and is continuing to lose weight, that her weight gain is the result of a medical condition, that OP is not in denial about her DD's weight but posted about it in her original post. never mind that her DD is a teenager for God's sake, and has to deal with the emotional fallout of it all (which is really what OP's post was about). Everyone has their knives out. You are the ones who should be ashamed.


+1

I stopped responding to this thread, I was so disgusted with the way that OP's been treated. Never mind that her daughter lost an amazing amount of weight and is continuing to do so. Everyone is more interested in shaming OP, trying to pick her story apart, telling her that she's in denial, and now telling her that she doesn't belong.

You are absolutely right that if OP had said her daughter was underweight instead, she would have been accepted in the SN forum with open arms. I'm ashamed to be a part of this community, and I'm ashamed that it was SN parent who took it upon herself to ask that this thread be moved.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:


please save your tears, OP just posted this in the SN page

"also. as the OP, this pic is almost exactly what my DD looks like

http://www.mybodygallery.com/photos-10109-body-shape.htm#img

of course that isnt my DD but that girl with darker skin, longer hair (dd's hair is bra strap length) and no arm tats is a spitting image of DD. i can even see my daughter wearing that headband "


That's fat.

and so fucking what? we have established that OP's dd is fat/obese etc. did the op say "oh my DD only weighs 230 but shes skinny, I promise!!" NO! She was posting that because the other poster was acting like the one picture on that website that she saw, was how all 5'2" 230 lb ppl look. and it simply isnt.


my friend weighed 300 lbs and no one knew (i didnt know until she proved it by standing on the scale in front of me!) because she looked like she was a lot smaller. bigger than the above pic link, but def not 300 lbs. not everyone who weighs the same looks the same, even if they are the same height.
Anonymous
I'm sorry, OP, that people are attacking you and that this thread took such a turn for the worse.

I absolutely, 100% am appalled by the way the doctors have treated your daughter and I think their actions and some of the criticisms here illuminate just how horribly obese/overweight people are treated. Nobody should be made to feel embarrassed or shameful by going to the doctor. Do people really think that shaming a poor 16 yo girl (or her mother) is going to help them out?

Especially when OP's daughter has LOST 35lbs in 4 months? Let's stop admonishing OP for what happened in the past and offer support for a better future.
Anonymous
RN here.

Nutritional consult: often standard, especially with elevated BMI. We have to be sure no negligence is occuring with children.

Soft round/obese belly: standard charting.

MRI (or other diagnostic) measurement: they may have only had pediatric sized equipment.

Sorry for your experience.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:I'm sorry, OP, that people are attacking you and that this thread took such a turn for the worse.

I absolutely, 100% am appalled by the way the doctors have treated your daughter and I think their actions and some of the criticisms here illuminate just how horribly obese/overweight people are treated. Nobody should be made to feel embarrassed or shameful by going to the doctor. Do people really think that shaming a poor 16 yo girl (or her mother) is going to help them out?

Especially when OP's daughter has LOST 35lbs in 4 months? Let's stop admonishing OP for what happened in the past and offer support for a better future.


I am not the nurse that responded directly above this but I am also a nurse and I too feel the same way about the vents as she does. I guess it is hard for me to see standard medical practice (referrals, clinical language on assessment and checking for fit with equipment) as appalling and treating someone horribly. I don't see their intent being to shame.

If a 16 yr old walked in for a head injury and she was 100 pounds underweight, there would also be a medical process. Referrals would be offered, clinical language specific to size would be written and equipment would be adjusted. Even if the mother said, oh there is no need,she has gained 10 pounds in the last 3 months, the fact that she weighed 55 pounds at 5'4 would still be concerning.

I am not sure how the doctor would know about the recent weight loss. Unless it was with a hospital based program then it wouldn't be known. They would be dealing with the patient as they present.

I know people are very very sensitive about obesity and the doctor could have been more careful to be sensitive to that sensitivity but the fat they weren't has nothing to do with fear or hatred of obesity. Doctors are busy and get to the point about most things.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I'm sorry, OP, that people are attacking you and that this thread took such a turn for the worse.

I absolutely, 100% am appalled by the way the doctors have treated your daughter and I think their actions and some of the criticisms here illuminate just how horribly obese/overweight people are treated. Nobody should be made to feel embarrassed or shameful by going to the doctor. Do people really think that shaming a poor 16 yo girl (or her mother) is going to help them out?

Especially when OP's daughter has LOST 35lbs in 4 months? Let's stop admonishing OP for what happened in the past and offer support for a better future.


I am not the nurse that responded directly above this but I am also a nurse and I too feel the same way about the vents as she does. I guess it is hard for me to see standard medical practice (referrals, clinical language on assessment and checking for fit with equipment) as appalling and treating someone horribly. I don't see their intent being to shame.

If a 16 yr old walked in for a head injury and she was 100 pounds underweight, there would also be a medical process. Referrals would be offered, clinical language specific to size would be written and equipment would be adjusted. Even if the mother said, oh there is no need,she has gained 10 pounds in the last 3 months, the fact that she weighed 55 pounds at 5'4 would still be concerning.

I am not sure how the doctor would know about the recent weight loss. Unless it was with a hospital based program then it wouldn't be known. They would be dealing with the patient as they present.

I know people are very very sensitive about obesity and the doctor could have been more careful to be sensitive to that sensitivity but the fat they weren't has nothing to do with fear or hatred of obesity. Doctors are busy and get to the point about most things.


I'm the PP who brought up fat shaming and I think this post is a lot more helpful than what I was referring to. What made me angry were the people who were accusing OP of being in denial about her DD's weight as well as being responsible for her DD's weight. Also the posts accusing her of lying as well as the kicking her out of the SN section because obesity is not a SN. All of this was the result of attitudes about weight.

But pointing out that what happened is standard medical practice and why is not fat shaming. I just want to make that clear.

Also, posters can't have it both ways. They can't claim that obesity is a medical disorder that the doctors should address while claiming the post doesn't belong in the SN section. It belongs there, in part, because obesity IS a chronic medical problem and parents bring questions about chronic medical problems to the SN section all the time.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:I understand the hormonal condition part---but honestly, 260? How did you not notice way sooner? Also, the food still has to go in to the kid to create the weight.

That said, most places are required to mention weight. They would do the same if your daughter was seriously underweight. Most obesity-defending people don't understand just how much that excess weight affects every system in their body.


Please do enlighten us ignorant fatties! Where did you get your medical degree, btw?

Newsflash: Most fat people know a hell of a lot about health and nutrition. We know we're fat. We know it's bad for us. We know what we need to do to lose weight. This is like saying that smokers just don't understand how bad smoking is for them -- otherwise they'd quit, obviously! [/i]It's not that simple! Whether someone's obesity is the result of a hormone disorder, a psychological problem, a food addiction, laziness, lack of self-control, etc., telling us repeatedly how fat and disgusting we are is not helpful!

I've said this on DCUM before -- 99.9% of obese people have tried, usually repeatedly, to lose weight. Less than 5% succeed for any substantial length of time. It is a constant struggle. If you are fortunate enough not to have this particular problem, why can't you be grateful and show some empathy? Do you really think obese people are sitting on the couch eating Snicker's bars all day while chortling evilly about how we're raising health care costs for all you responsible, virtuous, normal-weight people who will never have any health problems because you're doing everything right?

Citing "health concerns" is just a way to justify your bigotry. You don't actually care about my health, which is just fine, btw. Fat is not a freaking death sentence. Overweight (not obese) people live longer than thin people on average. Obesity leads to a [i]higher risk
of health problems like high blood pressure, high cholesterol, heart disease, and diabetes -- conditions that may shorten the life span if untreated. A lot of normal-weight people have these conditions. A lot of obese people don't. They're treatable, but only if the patient is not too ashamed to visit a doctor.

If you admit you're not concerned for my health, just your health care costs, think of the much higher costs you won't have to shell out for me in Medicare and Social Security because I'm apparently way too sick to make it to old age.
Anonymous
You know what? The OP comes across as much less crazy than all the pearl clutching losers defending her on this thread. Honestly, the "fat acceptance movement" has gotten completely out of control. They should join with the pro-anas and leave the rest of us alone.

OP - plenty of medical professionals have weighed in. "Soft obese belly" is a clinical term. Be happy you have a daughter who is apparently psychologically healthy and trying to get physically healthy. No point holding on to bitterness. Nothing wrong with a bit of humility and acceptance instead of trying to find support for nursing grudges. Even if everyone agrees with you, what difference will it make?

Let it go. Try being thankful for what you have (access to good medical care for your daughter. doctors who actually give a crap about holistic care not just getting her out the door. insurance paying for a nutritionist etc etc).
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