WHY does the Catholic Church make things so damn difficult?

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Anonymous wrote:http://www.tnr.com/article/politics/101420/santorums-church-opus-dei

so when people drive past the boundaries and petition to join they are usually looking for Opus dei. Robert Hanssen.


See also St. Bernadette Catholic Church in Silver Spring, heavily populated with Opus Dei members. We couldn't get away fast enough.
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We used to be Catholic. Now we're Presbyterian. Jesus but without all of the ridiculous rules. Come ....
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Anonymous wrote:People, it's not called tithing in the Catholic church.

Even though that's what the Bible calls it?



Catholics don't have much tradition of reading the Bible.


Have you been to a Catholic mass? Evidently not if you say me don't have a tradition of reading the Bible. Maybe you should come so you can see how stupid your statment sounds.


I'm the PP you were responding to. Yes, I was a cradle Catholic, altar girl etc. I am very familiar with the excerpts from the Bible that are presented, out of context, during Mass. I stand by my assertion that in the Catholic tradition, sitting down and reading the Bible cover to cover (as I see in many other Christian religions) and reading the Word of God straight from The Book, have not been historically emphasized. So saying that something "is in the Bible" or "is the term used in the Bible" isn't really going to be a big influence for most Catholics.
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PP again. In the Catholic tradition, you don't read the Bible, and you certainly don't read any OTHER Bible other than the One True Version with the Papal Imprimpature. You read (or listen) to what it has been determined that you will listen to, based on the 3 year cycle. Nowadays I think here are some Catholic Bible Study Groups, but certainly in my mother's generation and earlier, there was no such thing. Catholics didn't just pick up a Bible and start reading it because -- heavens -- that's when people start questioning things.

Much better to hear the Word read aloud in church, where the priest can interpret it correctly for you so you know what you believe.
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Anonymous wrote:PP, where are you? The Washington Archdiocese isn't geographical. Besides, there is no such thing as Opeu Dei church. Are you talking about St. Catherine's? Many churches have Opis Dei, some more active than others, but the an entire parish isn't Opis Dei. Even St. Catherine's, probably the most well known Opus Dei around has 3500 parishioners- lot, in fact the majority aren't OD. Regardless, just go to the parish you would like to attend and speak to them.


Parishes are geographical. I am the PP, both DH and I grew up RC, and have been there done that ....Parish's are supposed to be community churches. I tried Mass at St C's. Was warned about the place by a member of the RC clergy ... and yes I am sorry to not have the traditional RC parish which was part of our culture. If I was a conservative Jewish family would I go Hasidic? NO.


Not in the Archdiocese of Washington -- you may attend any church you wish. One may fit better. We live on Capitol Hill but prefer the traditional mass of St. Matthews downtown. If St. C's doesn't work for someone they are free to go to another church. I promise the Swiss Guards won't arrest them.


Archdiocese of Arlington has a parish locator and when you go to parish websites there are boundary statements. Duh-the Swiss guard isn't going to arrest you but there has been an outflow from certain parish[s].

http://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/183540.page

It's like public schools and out-of-boundary or pupil placement. Remember the Catholic Church has a parallel school system and knows boundaries.


Most Diocese have boundaries for parishes, including the diocese of Arlington. The Diocese of Washington does not.


I don't get this. The Archdiocese of Washington has a list of parishes it oversees, which includes those in DC and Maryland. Are you saying that the parishes in DC are open? as in no boundaries?

b/c that's not the case in MD

I've know several people closer to St. Bernadette's who are w/in St. John the Baptist parameters. St. B's did not allow them to join.

Maybe I misunderstood what you meant?


The Archdioces does not have boundaries for parishes. If two parishes decide to make their own boundaries that is up to them (probably has more to do with schools than with actualy parish). But yes, in DC you can attend any church you would like.



interesting

St. B's pushed away friends, claiming boundary issues! It's all good b/c they're at our parish school! but how odd . . .
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Anonymous wrote:http://www.tnr.com/article/politics/101420/santorums-church-opus-dei

so when people drive past the boundaries and petition to join they are usually looking for Opus dei. Robert Hanssen.


See also St. Bernadette Catholic Church in Silver Spring, heavily populated with Opus Dei members. We couldn't get away fast enough.


Opus Dei believers are creepy.

You know the Heights is run by Opus Dei, right?

Avalon branched off from them - a very good thing!

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Anonymous wrote:When we got married, it was one thing after the other. Now we have a newborn and I'm trying to have her baptized. THey make this whole process SO. UNBELIEVABLY. DIFFICULT. I am really on the verge of just saying screw it. I don't understand why they are doing this? Shouldn't they want to encourage young adults to remain active in the Church/introduce the next generation to Catholicism? If that's their intent, they are seriously going about it the WRONG way.


You know what else is SO. UNBELIEVABLY. DIFFICULT? Being forced to carry a wooden cross to your intended place of death, having thorns placed on your head in a crown to mock you, being naked and nailed to a cross in the hot sun to slowly die while your mother watches.

He made the ultimate sacrifice for you, for your child, to be cleansed of original sin (ie baptism) and you are upset about paperwork.

Perhaps you want to rethink your reasoning for wanting your child baptized.

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Anonymous wrote:When we got married, it was one thing after the other. Now we have a newborn and I'm trying to have her baptized. THey make this whole process SO. UNBELIEVABLY. DIFFICULT. I am really on the verge of just saying screw it. I don't understand why they are doing this? Shouldn't they want to encourage young adults to remain active in the Church/introduce the next generation to Catholicism? If that's their intent, they are seriously going about it the WRONG way.


You know what else is SO. UNBELIEVABLY. DIFFICULT? Being forced to carry a wooden cross to your intended place of death, having thorns placed on your head in a crown to mock you, being naked and nailed to a cross in the hot sun to slowly die while your mother watches.

He made the ultimate sacrifice for you, for your child, to be cleansed of original sin (ie baptism) and you are upset about paperwork.

Perhaps you want to rethink your reasoning for wanting your child baptized.



LOL!

BEST POST EVER!

nut job
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Anonymous wrote:When we got married, it was one thing after the other. Now we have a newborn and I'm trying to have her baptized. THey make this whole process SO. UNBELIEVABLY. DIFFICULT. I am really on the verge of just saying screw it. I don't understand why they are doing this? Shouldn't they want to encourage young adults to remain active in the Church/introduce the next generation to Catholicism? If that's their intent, they are seriously going about it the WRONG way.


You know what else is SO. UNBELIEVABLY. DIFFICULT? Being forced to carry a wooden cross to your intended place of death, having thorns placed on your head in a crown to mock you, being naked and nailed to a cross in the hot sun to slowly die while your mother watches.

He made the ultimate sacrifice for you, for your child, to be cleansed of original sin (ie baptism) and you are upset about paperwork.

Perhaps you want to rethink your reasoning for wanting your child baptized.



You're probably going to get flak for this post, but I just wanted to tell you that I, at least, appreciated it.
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Totally agree!
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Anonymous wrote:When we got married, it was one thing after the other. Now we have a newborn and I'm trying to have her baptized. THey make this whole process SO. UNBELIEVABLY. DIFFICULT. I am really on the verge of just saying screw it. I don't understand why they are doing this? Shouldn't they want to encourage young adults to remain active in the Church/introduce the next generation to Catholicism? If that's their intent, they are seriously going about it the WRONG way.


Why baptize near time of birth? It would mean a lot more to your child if they made the choice to be baptized later in life, understanding full well the consequences.
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Are you Catholic? There are readings from both the Old and New Testament. These readings are done in a three year cyccle so throughout those three years, you hear 90% of the Bible -- again and again.


Not any more, but was for 28 years, attending mass every Sunday, and once a week with school through grade 12. Yes, we occasionally had some Old Testament readings, I was exaggerating somewhat, but the majority of readings were from the New Testament. We definitely didn't go through 90 percent of the bible. I can assue you that I have never heard most of Numbers, Tobit, Deutoronomy, Judges, Chronicles, Nehemiah, Lamentations, etc. read at our masses.
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Anonymous wrote:When we got married, it was one thing after the other. Now we have a newborn and I'm trying to have her baptized. THey make this whole process SO. UNBELIEVABLY. DIFFICULT. I am really on the verge of just saying screw it. I don't understand why they are doing this? Shouldn't they want to encourage young adults to remain active in the Church/introduce the next generation to Catholicism? If that's their intent, they are seriously going about it the WRONG way.


You know what else is SO. UNBELIEVABLY. DIFFICULT? Being forced to carry a wooden cross to your intended place of death, having thorns placed on your head in a crown to mock you, being naked and nailed to a cross in the hot sun to slowly die while your mother watches.

He made the ultimate sacrifice for you, for your child, to be cleansed of original sin (ie baptism) and you are upset about paperwork.

Perhaps you want to rethink your reasoning for wanting your child baptized.



You're probably going to get flak for this post, but I just wanted to tell you that I, at least, appreciated it.


Me, too.

Thank you!
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Are you Catholic? There are readings from both the Old and New Testament. These readings are done in a three year cyccle so throughout those three years, you hear 90% of the Bible -- again and again.


Not any more, but was for 28 years, attending mass every Sunday, and once a week with school through grade 12. Yes, we occasionally had some Old Testament readings, I was exaggerating somewhat, but the majority of readings were from the New Testament. We definitely didn't go through 90 percent of the bible. I can assue you that I have never heard most of Numbers, Tobit, Deutoronomy, Judges, Chronicles, Nehemiah, Lamentations, etc. read at our masses.


You're remembering incorrectly. Every Sunday mass has an Old Testament reading, with a few exceptions during certain times of the year like Easter.
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Anonymous wrote:Not any more, but was for 28 years, attending mass every Sunday, and once a week with school through grade 12. Yes, we occasionally had some Old Testament readings, I was exaggerating somewhat, but the majority of readings were from the New Testament. We definitely didn't go through 90 percent of the bible. I can assue you that I have never heard most of Numbers, Tobit, Deutoronomy, Judges, Chronicles, Nehemiah, Lamentations, etc. read at our masses.


You're remembering incorrectly. Every Sunday mass has an Old Testament reading, with a few exceptions during certain times of the year like Easter.


Yep. Mass readings consist of the First Reading from the Old Testament, a verse from the Book of Psalms (also Old Testament), and the Second Reading which is from the New Testament.

You heard something from the Old Testament approximately fifty weeks out of the year.
I do agree, as I stated in an earlier post, that for the most part Catholics do not study the bible the way that other religious denominations do.
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