Looking for anonymous feedback from bad neighbor interaction

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:OP here.

14:31 - yes, I actually went over to a neighbor's house for a cookout later that day - we have discussed the problems in that house before (their dog's barking 24/7, not the child) and our concern about the conditions. I told them what happened and they said that they had never seen physical abuse, but have seen or heard the kids get screamed at a number of times. They also did not feel like it was enough to call CPS, but also agreed that things were probably pretty bad. Mostly, they were sad to hear things happened that way but expressed extreme concern that we all avoid that woman, as she could be seriously dangerous.

To those telling me to grow a pair - I have no shame and no qualms that I would not ever put myself in a position to confront her physically. I would never yell back at her. The people in that house could EASILY hurt me and I would have no chance. I really believe I would end up in a hospital.

I didn't call the police on her because I didn't want things to escalate and I was feeling pretty shocked and freaked out - and also questioning whether I was putting my own values on someone else and in the wrong myself (I no longer feel that way, but it was a concern).

Look, I had a neighbor who got switched as a kid. It was more normal back then. I had a friend who got the belt. I got spanked myself. Some parents still retain these parenting tactics and while I do NOT agree with them, and am frankly horrified by them, I was feeling - as you could see by my original post - like maybe I shouldn't have interfered with a parent who still uses switches as a discipline tactic.

Let me make one thing very clear. I thought how she was dealing with her child was horrific. But my god, you do not go up to a woman who could CLEARLY beat you to next Tuesday and start yelling at her when she's in a rage. That is an easy way to get hurt or killed. Especially not when you are home alone with your child.

At the time, I simply felt I needed to shield my child from seeing what was going on. I agree that the police were warranted, but I was in shock and having a lot of doubts. If it happens again, this is helpful in arming me to call the police at that time.

I want to make clear though, that confronting someone who could do serious physical harm to you is not a responsible or smart course of action.


Dude, OP.

If she was this terrifying, and standing outside your door screaming and cursing at you, you should have called the police. You are obviously terrified of this woman, and so what did you do: smiled at her sheepishly later on, spoke to her husband, and came onto the Internet to ask us how you should best proceed to mend your relationship?

Totally have to agree with the PP who recommended for you to read The Gift of Fear. The kids in that house have it bad, but as someone who grew up with a mother who is incredibly kind but has poor, poor judgment when it comes to people and believes that if she just is extremely submissive and nice to people, no harm will come to her, I want to tell you that you may also be creating huge problems for your own child by continuing this kind of behavioral pattern: essentially, allowing someone to threaten you great harm and then apologizing to them. This is typical victim behavior, and you clearly do not want to be a victim.

I think it's pretty clear that there is something serious going on it that house-- mental illness? drugs?-- and I don't know why you would do ANYTHING to get yourself more involved: smiling, saying hi, whatever. You call the police if they threaten you or your family in ANY way, and you call CPS when it has to do with their own children. You are clearly terrified of them knowing it's you, and taking revenge upon you, so it's best to keep a record with the police starting NOW of anything they do that threatens you. Seriously. And examine whatever issues you have that cause you to seek approval from people who scare the shit out of you in a misguided attempt to protect yourself.
Anonymous
Please help this child. I was him, people witnessed the abuse and NOBODY helped. If she's doing that in public, I promise you what's going on in private is 10x worse. Call CPS or the police. Please.
Anonymous
I would have without a doubt called the police. Shame on you OP if you don't do the same.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:OP here. I just spoke with my husband. We're going to discuss calling CPS tonight. He wants me to wait until I speak with him, which I think is best.

Thank you for your thoughts.


I swear to god, it's Mike McQueary's sister. Witness a kid being abused, and before calling the proper authorities, let's discuss it with someone. Good grief.

I didn't call the police on her because I didn't want things to escalate and I was feeling pretty shocked and freaked out - and also questioning whether I was putting my own values on someone else and in the wrong myself (I no longer feel that way, but it was a concern).


So, it's cool with you that she's in a rage, threatening to beat her kid, grabbed a stick, threatened you, and dragged him inside with the stick - and the kid's clearly terrified her - but you don't want it to escalate? As look as she performs her abuse behind closed doors, it's A-OK, but for you to pick up the damn phone, dial three freakin' digits and say, "My neighbor just threatened me, and she is threatening to beat her son" is too much escalating?

I suppose I can understand, if not relate to, being too chickenshit to stand up to her, but being too cowardly to call the cops from the safety of your own home under the guise of "not wanting to interfere with others' parenting" is just ridiculous.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:OP here. I just spoke with my husband. We're going to discuss calling CPS tonight. He wants me to wait until I speak with him, which I think is best.

Thank you for your thoughts.


NP here. I think you should call CPS as well. If ever I read a thread that warranted calling CPS, this is it. I think that perhaps it can even be anonymous. There are several neighbors and I'm sure people in that lady's life that have seen her act crazy -- so I don't think she would assume it's you who called them. And I doubt CPS would tell her the details as to who called them.
Anonymous
OP is smart.

#1 CPS isn't going to do anything.

#2 Once she finds out that you called CPS...and she will assume it was you, she will probably come over there and kick your ass.

I know people like this.

So, you feel good about calling CPS which won't do anything, it's not like they will take the kids away. They might investigate, but okay...then she comes over and slaps the shit out of you.

How is anyone helped?

Anonymous
WAS THE LITTLE BOY PUSHED DOWN THE STEPS OR NOT? You can make excuses for the yelling and switch all you want...that sounds bad enough to me, but obviously not to you. However, you yourself said she knocked him down the effing steps!!! How much worse does it have to be? Why is this such a hard choice for you? CAll the police!!
Anonymous
14:47 Here--the "what else are you waiting for" poster.

This thread really disturbs me.

I can understand, OP, why you didn't confront the woman. THat was fine, smart even.

I CANNOT understand why you didn't call the police right then. When she pushed him down the steps. When she threatened to beat him. When she stood on YOUR doorstep, ranting and raving.

I wish he lived in my neighborhood, I know there would have been cruisers there, and fast.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:OP is smart.

#1 CPS isn't going to do anything.

#2 Once she finds out that you called CPS...and she will assume it was you, she will probably come over there and kick your ass.

I know people like this.

So, you feel good about calling CPS which won't do anything, it's not like they will take the kids away. They might investigate, but okay...then she comes over and slaps the shit out of you.

How is anyone helped?



Yes, but how is sitting on the info, knowing the kids are being mistreated, and still being scared yourself going to help the situation any???
Anonymous
Here's another suggestion -- if the dog barks all the time, how about you or other neighbors call animal control/the Humane Society. If she is mistreating the children the dog is likely mistreated too. The Humane Society has a duty to report to CPS if they find a mistreated animal and there are children in the house. We found this out when our nightmare neighbors had their dog seized for being abused.

Perhaps you'll feel more comfortable calling about the dogs than about the children but it should start the ball rolling and you can do it anonymously.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:OP is smart.

#1 CPS isn't going to do anything.

#2 Once she finds out that you called CPS...and she will assume it was you, she will probably come over there and kick your ass.

I know people like this.

So, you feel good about calling CPS which won't do anything, it's not like they will take the kids away. They might investigate, but okay...then she comes over and slaps the shit out of you.

How is anyone helped?



CPS might well do something. You think children are never removed from custody? Just because we hear about stories of children being murdered after CPS' failure to act doesn't mean they don't often do their job, and do it well.

As for the slapping part, that's why I recommended Gift of Fear. OP needs to learn how to deal with violence and fast. Yes, it's scary, but that's no reason to stand by while innocent children are being harmed.
Anonymous
OP, you need to call CPS. Those children need you to do that. Please, please, please do the right thing.
Anonymous
OP, I just don't get you.

After their appalling behavior, your reaction is to suck up to them for the rest of the day?
What is wrong with you? Were you so damaged at some point in your life, that you have this disgusting need to be "neighborly" with these people?? Seriously, you also need help. You sound sick.
Anonymous
OP: I wonder how you will feel when the wheel the childs dead body out of the house. Or when the ambulance comes to take him out after he has a broken arm.

You know, you will share some of the blame here - because you saw and did not act. You stood by and did not help.

What happens when the abuse child, tired of all the pain goes to school with your child and decides to bully him or her?

You will be to blame for that too.

It's not to late to make that call, if you don't care about the child in your neighbors house (which you obviously don't) - worry about the harm which could come to your child in the future.
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As the PP mentioned, Gift of Fear is a great book! Spot on the mark, and easily digestible by all. If you do read it, follow it up with The Little Black Book of Violence.
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