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Anonymous wrote:LOL, so because you don't want to change a 3,000 year old definition of marriage it makes you a KKK member? Got it ...

Last time I checked, the 3000 year old definition of marriage included polygamy, woman as property, and marriage for political and economic gain.

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Anonymous wrote:Why is marriage off limits? For a long time marriage was about combining families of a certain pedigree, obtaining property, etc. What does it matter to me personally that 2 men or 2 women marry? It doesn't affect me.

it affects others. some people take sacraments seriously.

Your "sacrament" doesn't change if you're married in the church. Marriage is a legal status recognized by countries and states. My marriage is strictly a civil one; I was not married in the church. Your religious sacraments do not affect me one bit and a civil marriage between same sex couples in no way affects or threatens your marriage.

Your lack of knowledge clearly demonstrates that you are unable to differentiate between the two. It's a civil rights issue, and I'm not at all surprised that someone like you fails to see it as such.

no, I've thought about it a good bit and recognize the points you make. but I don't want to lessen the importance or change the meaning of my sacrament. I'm ok with civil unions, just don't call it marriage.

I work in a liberal environment, and we're all very vocal and are able to express our political beliefs. It's actually encouraged in my work environment. Three of my five coworkers have gay siblings, and we all have gay friends.

Do you know the legal difference between a civil union and a marriage? I'm pretty sure you haven't a clue.

Again, it doesn't lessen the importance of your "sacrament," because a sacrament is a religious rite, not a legal one.

we can change the definition of civil unions so the same rights are afforded. stop trying to label me. I am probably sitting in the office next to you and we probably go to lunch twice a week. we just have a different opinion. sorry.

Actually, no. I don't befriend people like you, and every one of my coworkers supports same-sex marriage.

right. they don't tell you the truth because you are so militant. every time people vote, the vote is the same.

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Anonymous wrote:Why is marriage off limits? For a long time marriage was about combining families of a certain pedigree, obtaining property, etc. What does it matter to me personally that 2 men or 2 women marry? It doesn't affect me.

it affects others. some people take sacraments seriously.

What a horrible rationale. Your sacraments - your religion - get to dictate what other people do???? If this is a sacramental issue for you then fine, abide by YOUR sacraments. Don't get gay married. Why should anyone else have to follow your god?

And since you take your sacrament so seriously I imagine you never had premarital sex. Right?

What if we end up with a majority religion in this country which decides that all women have to wear burquas? Let's say they tell you, "it's a sacrament (or other religious priority). Why do their religious beliefs get to impact your life or mine?

This country has an extremely long and complex history of religious beliefs affecting social behavior, accepted norms and laws. The foundation of our country, as well as the current view of the majority of us, is one of a moral belief system. As that belief system begins to shift, we encounter these types of clashes. However at this point in time, the majority of us still have a Judeo-Christian foundation, so it is certainly still going to filter into our laws and decision making processes. Which some people, like myself, will be happy about; while others, like yourself, will fight against. Either we find a way to work it out in a reasonable way that minimally satisfies all of us, or we fight like crazy -- which may or may not work out for some of us in the end.

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Anonymous wrote:Why is marriage off limits? For a long time marriage was about combining families of a certain pedigree, obtaining property, etc. What does it matter to me personally that 2 men or 2 women marry? It doesn't affect me.

it affects others. some people take sacraments seriously.

What a horrible rationale. Your sacraments - your religion - get to dictate what other people do???? If this is a sacramental issue for you then fine, abide by YOUR sacraments. Don't get gay married. Why should anyone else have to follow your god?

And since you take your sacrament so seriously I imagine you never had premarital sex. Right?

What if we end up with a majority religion in this country which decides that all women have to wear burquas? Let's say they tell you, "it's a sacrament (or other religious priority). Why do their religious beliefs get to impact your life or mine?

This country has an extremely long and complex history of religious beliefs affecting social behavior, accepted norms and laws. The foundation of our country, as well as the current view of the majority of us, is one of a moral belief system. As that belief system begins to shift, we encounter these types of clashes. However at this point in time, the majority of us still have a Judeo-Christian foundation, so it is certainly still going to filter into our laws and decision making processes. Which some people, like myself, will be happy about; while others, like yourself, will fight against. Either we find a way to work it out in a reasonable way that minimally satisfies all of us, or we fight like crazy -- which may or may not work out for some of us in the end.

A moral belief system is fine. A government interfering in the personal lives of citizens, not so much. I simply cannot understand how someone else's gay marriage is your problem, or NC's problem, or the country's problem.

And you didn't answer the question. What would you do if the majority religion changes or evolves such that it dictates laws that are morally objectionable to you?

Some cultures seem to be based on a moral belief system with a Muslim foundation which includes, for example, severe restrictions on women and extremely harsh punishment for crimes, including moral crimes. So are you OK with a governmenet using religion as a basis for curtailing the rights of citizens, or otherwise dictating how they conduct their personal lives?

Be careful about endorsing "sacraments" as a basis for law.

Anonymous wrote:OP, the DNC is scheduled to hold its convention in NC this summer. Do you think they should move in on principle?

Anonymous wrote:OP, the DNC is scheduled to hold its convention in NC this summer. Do you think they should move in on principle?

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Anonymous wrote:OP, the DNC is scheduled to hold its convention in NC this summer. Do you think they should move in on principle?

Um, the top dog in the democratic party, Obama, does not support gay marriage.

Why would they move the convention? The "DNC" does not support gay marriage. Why would move their convention?

Anonymous wrote:When you start equating the struggles of gays with the struggles of blacks, your condescension bothers me and I care less. Especially when you hold up the opinion of a black comedian as proof that one is harder than the other.


I'm pro-gay marriage and think they're separate but equally important issues. I'm not the only person I know who's turned off by this tactic, but if it's the approach you want to take, by all means, continue.