Before you make your summer plans to visit the Outerbanks ofNC

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Anonymous wrote:I'm not gay. I'm a woman married to a man - however, the thought that a friend or a coworker would not have the same rights to marry or visit a loved one that I would. I wonder how many of these people who voted against equal rights would have voted against rights for African Americans? Would have voted against rights for women? To me it is the same thing - equal rights for everyone - or for nobody.

Please don't bring black people into this discussion. I HATE it when folks make this comparison. It's short-sighted and stupid.

Love this quote by Wanda Sykes, because it's so freakin' true:

“To a certain point, yes. I believe [it's harder to be gay than black]. I’m not talking about the history of African-Americans. Today. I’m talking about at this point right now. I don’t know of organizations and groups like Focus on the Family and such anti-gay organizations who are putting so much money, millions and millions of dollars, into stopping me from being black or telling me that I can’t exercise my blackness or whatever. So it is. There’s no equality, there’s no equality for the LGBT community.”

And another:


"It’s harder being gay than being black. There’s some things that I had to do as gay that I didn’t have to do as black. I didn’t have to come out black. I didn’t have to sit my parents down and tell them about my blackness...Mom, dad I have to tell ya’ll something…I hope you still love me. Mom- dad I’m black."

Absolutely terrible quotes to pick. I guess because Wanda is black, you think her opinion carries some sort of weight?

But yeah, comparing coming out and/or anti-gay groups to the hundreds of years of degradation of a race is...................short-sighted, at best.

Yes, I believe that Wanda's opinion as a gay AA woman carries some weight. I'm AA, by the way.

Let me guess, you're a straight white woman?

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Anonymous wrote:Excellent point, OP. We'll be choosing someplace other than the Outerbanks. Too shameful that they passed that marriage amendment.

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Anonymous wrote:Why is marriage off limits? For a long time marriage was about combining families of a certain pedigree, obtaining property, etc. What does it matter to me personally that 2 men or 2 women marry? It doesn't affect me.

it affects others. some people take sacraments seriously.

Your "sacrament" doesn't change if you're married in the church. Marriage is a legal status recognized by countries and states. My marriage is strictly a civil one; I was not married in the church. Your religious sacraments do not affect me one bit and a civil marriage between same sex couples in no way affects or threatens your marriage.

Your lack of knowledge clearly demonstrates that you are unable to differentiate between the two. It's a civil rights issue, and I'm not at all surprised that someone like you fails to see it as such.

no, I've thought about it a good bit and recognize the points you make. but I don't want to lessen the importance or change the meaning of my sacrament. I'm ok with civil unions, just don't call it marriage.

Do you know the legal difference between a civil union and a marriage? I'm pretty sure you haven't a clue.

Again, it doesn't lessen the importance of your "sacrament," because a sacrament is a religious rite, not a legal one.

we can change the definition of civil unions so the same rights are afforded. stop trying to label me. I am probably sitting in the office next to you and we probably go to lunch twice a week. we just have a different opinion. sorry.

Actually, no. I don't befriend people like you, and every one of my coworkers supports same-sex marriage.

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Anonymous wrote:Why is marriage off limits? For a long time marriage was about combining families of a certain pedigree, obtaining property, etc. What does it matter to me personally that 2 men or 2 women marry? It doesn't affect me.

it affects others. some people take sacraments seriously.

What a horrible rationale. Your sacraments - your religion - get to dictate what other people do???? If this is a sacramental issue for you then fine, abide by YOUR sacraments. Don't get gay married. Why should anyone else have to follow your god?

And since you take your sacrament so seriously I imagine you never had premarital sex. Right?

What if we end up with a majority religion in this country which decides that all women have to wear burquas? Let's say they tell you, "it's a sacrament (or other religious priority). Why do their religious beliefs get to impact your life or mine?

This country has an extremely long and complex history of religious beliefs affecting social behavior, accepted norms and laws. The foundation of our country, as well as the current view of the majority of us, is one of a moral belief system. As that belief system begins to shift, we encounter these types of clashes. However at this point in time, the majority of us still have a Judeo-Christian foundation, so it is certainly still going to filter into our laws and decision making processes. Which some people, like myself, will be happy about; while others, like yourself, will fight against. Either we find a way to work it out in a reasonable way that minimally satisfies all of us, or we fight like crazy -- which may or may not work out for some of us in the end.

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Anonymous wrote:Why is marriage off limits? For a long time marriage was about combining families of a certain pedigree, obtaining property, etc. What does it matter to me personally that 2 men or 2 women marry? It doesn't affect me.

it affects others. some people take sacraments seriously.

Your "sacrament" doesn't change if you're married in the church. Marriage is a legal status recognized by countries and states. My marriage is strictly a civil one; I was not married in the church. Your religious sacraments do not affect me one bit and a civil marriage between same sex couples in no way affects or threatens your marriage.

Your lack of knowledge clearly demonstrates that you are unable to differentiate between the two. It's a civil rights issue, and I'm not at all surprised that someone like you fails to see it as such.

no, I've thought about it a good bit and recognize the points you make. but I don't want to lessen the importance or change the meaning of my sacrament. I'm ok with civil unions, just don't call it marriage.

Do you know the legal difference between a civil union and a marriage? I'm pretty sure you haven't a clue.

Again, it doesn't lessen the importance of your "sacrament," because a sacrament is a religious rite, not a legal one.

we can change the definition of civil unions so the same rights are afforded. stop trying to label me. I am probably sitting in the office next to you and we probably go to lunch twice a week. we just have a different opinion. sorry.

Actually, no. I don't befriend people like you, and every one of my coworkers supports same-sex marriage.

right. they don't tell you the truth because you are so militant. every time people vote, the vote is the same.

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Anonymous wrote:Clearly, for many of you, this issue is just another pissing match between liberals and conservatives. Some of us are not so lucky. Laws like these actually have real consequences for my family. I'm a married lesbian. Our daughter was born 10 weeks early. I was in surgery for 5 hours after her birth, and then confined to bed. During that time my partner held our baby in the NICU, sang to her, took her picture. When I think about Amendment 1, I think about my partner being barred from the NICU. Our baby could have spent her first day alone with no mother's touch or voice. If she had been sick, she could have died alone. That's what these votes are about.

I am in healthcare. Please, go to an attorney and get some basic documents, including a will. You can make your partner your Responsible Party (RP) and she can get all of your medical information if needed, Power of Attorney, etc.
FWIW, you can name ANYONE (neighbor, co-worker, whoever) to have these basic rights with the proper documentation. I'm sure an actual lawyer can weigh in, but as far as visiting rights, etc I know from seeing charts on a daily basis that you can make whoever you want your RP, deny anyone to visit you (you'd be amazed how many children are cut off from their parents and now allowed to visit) with the proper documents.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't understand why everyone here is so intolerant to the beliefs of others. Why cannot a state choose for themselves these basic rules? If gay couples don't like it, they can certainly move to NY or Mass.

Holy crap.

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Anonymous wrote:Why is marriage off limits? For a long time marriage was about combining families of a certain pedigree, obtaining property, etc. What does it matter to me personally that 2 men or 2 women marry? It doesn't affect me.

it affects others. some people take sacraments seriously.

Your "sacrament" doesn't change if you're married in the church. Marriage is a legal status recognized by countries and states. My marriage is strictly a civil one; I was not married in the church. Your religious sacraments do not affect me one bit and a civil marriage between same sex couples in no way affects or threatens your marriage.

Your lack of knowledge clearly demonstrates that you are unable to differentiate between the two. It's a civil rights issue, and I'm not at all surprised that someone like you fails to see it as such.

no, I've thought about it a good bit and recognize the points you make. but I don't want to lessen the importance or change the meaning of my sacrament. I'm ok with civil unions, just don't call it marriage.

Do you know the legal difference between a civil union and a marriage? I'm pretty sure you haven't a clue.

Again, it doesn't lessen the importance of your "sacrament," because a sacrament is a religious rite, not a legal one.

we can change the definition of civil unions so the same rights are afforded. stop trying to label me. I am probably sitting in the office next to you and we probably go to lunch twice a week. we just have a different opinion. sorry.

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Actually, no. I don't befriend people like you, and every one of my coworkers supports same-sex marriage.

Not necessarily true. I just sat at a lunch table yesterday with a group of co-workers talking about how awful it was that the Amendment got passed, and I just smiled and ate my sandwich while disagreeing silently. No need for politics in the workplace.

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Anonymous wrote:Why is marriage off limits? For a long time marriage was about combining families of a certain pedigree, obtaining property, etc. What does it matter to me personally that 2 men or 2 women marry? It doesn't affect me.

it affects others. some people take sacraments seriously.

Your "sacrament" doesn't change if you're married in the church. Marriage is a legal status recognized by countries and states. My marriage is strictly a civil one; I was not married in the church. Your religious sacraments do not affect me one bit and a civil marriage between same sex couples in no way affects or threatens your marriage.

Your lack of knowledge clearly demonstrates that you are unable to differentiate between the two. It's a civil rights issue, and I'm not at all surprised that someone like you fails to see it as such.

no, I've thought about it a good bit and recognize the points you make. but I don't want to lessen the importance or change the meaning of my sacrament. I'm ok with civil unions, just don't call it marriage.

Do you know the legal difference between a civil union and a marriage? I'm pretty sure you haven't a clue.

Again, it doesn't lessen the importance of your "sacrament," because a sacrament is a religious rite, not a legal one.

we can change the definition of civil unions so the same rights are afforded. stop trying to label me. I am probably sitting in the office next to you and we probably go to lunch twice a week. we just have a different opinion. sorry.

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Actually, no. I don't befriend people like you, and every one of my coworkers supports same-sex marriage.

Not necessarily true. I just sat at a lunch table yesterday with a group of co-workers talking about how awful it was that the Amendment got passed, and I just smiled and ate my sandwich while disagreeing silently. No need for politics in the workplace.

exactly. same here.

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Anonymous wrote:Why is marriage off limits? For a long time marriage was about combining families of a certain pedigree, obtaining property, etc. What does it matter to me personally that 2 men or 2 women marry? It doesn't affect me.

it affects others. some people take sacraments seriously.

Your "sacrament" doesn't change if you're married in the church. Marriage is a legal status recognized by countries and states. My marriage is strictly a civil one; I was not married in the church. Your religious sacraments do not affect me one bit and a civil marriage between same sex couples in no way affects or threatens your marriage.

Your lack of knowledge clearly demonstrates that you are unable to differentiate between the two. It's a civil rights issue, and I'm not at all surprised that someone like you fails to see it as such.

no, I've thought about it a good bit and recognize the points you make. but I don't want to lessen the importance or change the meaning of my sacrament. I'm ok with civil unions, just don't call it marriage.

Do you know the legal difference between a civil union and a marriage? I'm pretty sure you haven't a clue.

Again, it doesn't lessen the importance of your "sacrament," because a sacrament is a religious rite, not a legal one.

we can change the definition of civil unions so the same rights are afforded. stop trying to label me. I am probably sitting in the office next to you and we probably go to lunch twice a week. we just have a different opinion. sorry.

Actually, no. I don't befriend people like you, and every one of my coworkers supports same-sex marriage.

right. they don't tell you the truth because you are so militant. every time people vote, the vote is the same.

Only because the old vote more than the young. Eventually it's all going to reverse because a majority supports gay marriage now.

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Anonymous wrote:Why is marriage off limits? For a long time marriage was about combining families of a certain pedigree, obtaining property, etc. What does it matter to me personally that 2 men or 2 women marry? It doesn't affect me.

it affects others. some people take sacraments seriously.

Your "sacrament" doesn't change if you're married in the church. Marriage is a legal status recognized by countries and states. My marriage is strictly a civil one; I was not married in the church. Your religious sacraments do not affect me one bit and a civil marriage between same sex couples in no way affects or threatens your marriage.

Your lack of knowledge clearly demonstrates that you are unable to differentiate between the two. It's a civil rights issue, and I'm not at all surprised that someone like you fails to see it as such.

no, I've thought about it a good bit and recognize the points you make. but I don't want to lessen the importance or change the meaning of my sacrament. I'm ok with civil unions, just don't call it marriage.

Do you know the legal difference between a civil union and a marriage? I'm pretty sure you haven't a clue.

Again, it doesn't lessen the importance of your "sacrament," because a sacrament is a religious rite, not a legal one.

we can change the definition of civil unions so the same rights are afforded. stop trying to label me. I am probably sitting in the office next to you and we probably go to lunch twice a week. we just have a different opinion. sorry.

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Actually, no. I don't befriend people like you, and every one of my coworkers supports same-sex marriage.

Not necessarily true. I just sat at a lunch table yesterday with a group of co-workers talking about how awful it was that the Amendment got passed, and I just smiled and ate my sandwich while disagreeing silently. No need for politics in the workplace.

BIBLE THUMPER. If youwant aa God-led governmetn, move to Vatican City,Israel, or a militiant Islamic country.

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Anonymous wrote:Weeeeeee I am going to NC to piss off the clan at DCUM!

And meet up with your Klan. Remember to pack your banjo and an oversized sheet.

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LOL, so because you don't want to change a 3,000 year old definition of marriage it makes you a KKK member? Got it ...

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Anonymous wrote:LOL, so because you don't want to change a 3,000 year old definition of marriage it makes you a KKK member? Got it ...

Last time I checked, the 3000 year old definition of marriage included polygamy, woman as property, and marriage for political and economic gain.

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Anonymous wrote:LOL, so because you don't want to change a 3,000 year old definition of marriage it makes you a KKK member? Got it ...

Last time I checked, the 3000 year old definition of marriage included polygamy, woman as property, and marriage for political and economic gain.

the west gets its laws and traditions as much from the roman empire as anything else, and no polygamy and easy divorce.