Muslima wrote:And for men, it's not just about lowering the gaze, like i said they also have a dress code. Yes, they do not have to wear a scarf, because obviously the male and female bodies are different and males/females react differently to it. The porn industry doesn't exist because men get aroused by intelligence and emotional connection ,and there is a reason advertisers use slender young attractive females on ads and not fat frumpy women, really! Moving on....

Quran: "O children of Adam, We have bestowed upon you clothing to conceal your private parts and as adornment. But the clothing of righteousness - that is best. That is from the signs of Allah that perhaps they will remember"-[7:26]

Now as far as the man's dress code, for the man, the 'awrah is defined as the area between the navel and the knees. ( Awrah is an islamic term that denotes the intimate parts of a man/woman). Men & women have different awrahs. Within the definition of 'awrah for men and women, all the four basic requirements are essentially the same:

1. Man should fully cover his awrah.
2. Men's clothes should be loose enough so as not
to describe what he is covering (his awrah).
3. They should be thick enough so as not to describe the color of the skin or the parts
required to be covered.
4. They should not be designed in a way to attract
attention. The basic rule of modesty and avoiding "show off" applies to all believers’ men and women. Source: http://www.icmtn.org/forms/women_dress.pdf

Anonymous wrote:

Muslima wrote:And for men, it's not just about lowering the gaze, like i said they also have a dress code. Yes, they do not have to wear a scarf, because obviously the male and female bodies are different and males/females react differently to it. The porn industry doesn't exist because men get aroused by intelligence and emotional connection ,and there is a reason advertisers use slender young attractive females on ads and not fat frumpy women, really! Moving on....

Quran: "O children of Adam, We have bestowed upon you clothing to conceal your private parts and as adornment. But the clothing of righteousness - that is best. That is from the signs of Allah that perhaps they will remember"-[7:26]

Now as far as the man's dress code, for the man, the 'awrah is defined as the area between the navel and the knees. ( Awrah is an islamic term that denotes the intimate parts of a man/woman). Men & women have different awrahs. Within the definition of 'awrah for men and women, all the four basic requirements are essentially the same:

1. Man should fully cover his awrah.
2. Men's clothes should be loose enough so as not
to describe what he is covering (his awrah).
3. They should be thick enough so as not to describe the color of the skin or the parts
required to be covered.
4. They should not be designed in a way to attract
attention. The basic rule of modesty and avoiding "show off" applies to all believers’ men and women. Source: http://www.icmtn.org/forms/women_dress.pdf

But the burqas and niqabs DO attract attention.

Also, as far as modesty goes, the definition of it goes beyond dress code. It's the way a person projects themselves in total. The very flashy lifestyle of the oil rich Muslim dominant countries in the M.E.-where this sort of dress is so important- as well as those that live or visit here from there completely negates the so-called modesty of their burqa. The burqa with the $5000 purse while driving in the 100K G-wagon doesn't exude modest, nor do the men in their loose attire with the thick gold chains and watches while they ride in the back of their Rolls with their driver after their servant carries their things.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote: Both are also asked to lower their gaze. .’

Well, lowering one's gaze could be to catch a look at something showing.

You know that's not the intention. Women are asked to dress modestly, men are asked not to stare.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote: Both are also asked to lower their gaze. .’

Well, lowering one's gaze could be to catch a look at something showing.

You know that's not the intention. Women are asked to dress modestly, men are asked not to stare.

If the man's gaze is lowered, plus covering the private parts, shouldn't that be enough? Why does the woman have to cover her hair, too, if men aren't supposed to be looking at it anyway?

Muslima wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote: Both are also asked to lower their gaze. .’

Well, lowering one's gaze could be to catch a look at something showing.

You know that's not the intention. Women are asked to dress modestly, men are asked not to stare.

If the man's gaze is lowered, plus covering the private parts, shouldn't that be enough? Why does the woman have to cover her hair, too, if men aren't supposed to be looking at it anyway?

It's a system of checks and balances where everyone does their part - women by dressing modestly and men by not ogling. This is the core principle, I'm not talking about the ugliness into which it translated today.

Anonymous wrote:

Muslima wrote:And for men, it's not just about lowering the gaze, like i said they also have a dress code. Yes, they do not have to wear a scarf, because obviously the male and female bodies are different and males/females react differently to it. The porn industry doesn't exist because men get aroused by intelligence and emotional connection ,and there is a reason advertisers use slender young attractive females on ads and not fat frumpy women, really! Moving on....

Quran: "O children of Adam, We have bestowed upon you clothing to conceal your private parts and as adornment. But the clothing of righteousness - that is best. That is from the signs of Allah that perhaps they will remember"-[7:26]

Now as far as the man's dress code, for the man, the 'awrah is defined as the area between the navel and the knees. ( Awrah is an islamic term that denotes the intimate parts of a man/woman). Men & women have different awrahs. Within the definition of 'awrah for men and women, all the four basic requirements are essentially the same:

1. Man should fully cover his awrah.
2. Men's clothes should be loose enough so as not
to describe what he is covering (his awrah).
3. They should be thick enough so as not to describe the color of the skin or the parts
required to be covered.
4. They should not be designed in a way to attract
attention. The basic rule of modesty and avoiding "show off" applies to all believers’ men and women. Source: http://www.icmtn.org/forms/women_dress.pdf

But the burqas and niqabs DO attract attention.

Also, as far as modesty goes, the definition of it goes beyond dress code. It's the way a person projects themselves in total. The very flashy lifestyle of the oil rich Muslim dominant countries in the M.E.-where this sort of dress is so important- as well as those that live or visit here from there completely negates the so-called modesty of their burqa. The burqa with the $5000 purse while driving in the 100K G-wagon doesn't exude modest, nor do the men in their loose attire with the thick gold chains and watches while they ride in the back of their Rolls with their driver after their servant carries their things.

Anonymous wrote:

Muslima wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote: Both are also asked to lower their gaze. .’

Well, lowering one's gaze could be to catch a look at something showing.

You know that's not the intention. Women are asked to dress modestly, men are asked not to stare.

If the man's gaze is lowered, plus covering the private parts, shouldn't that be enough? Why does the woman have to cover her hair, too, if men aren't supposed to be looking at it anyway?

It's a system of checks and balances where everyone does their part - women by dressing modestly and men by not ogling. This is the core principle, I'm not talking about the ugliness into which it translated today.

Both are actually asked to lower their gaze. The requirements for modest dress differ between the sexes due to fundamental biological distinctions and causes of arousal. I would also like to clarify that women do not cover their hair for men, the ones who do cover, do it because they believe it is a command from their lord and a sign of modesty, kinda like how the catholic nuns still cover their hair to this day. The attitude that hijab and Islamic dress codes exist to protect men are an utter and total fallacy.  

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Muslima wrote:And for men, it's not just about lowering the gaze, like i said they also have a dress code. Yes, they do not have to wear a scarf, because obviously the male and female bodies are different and males/females react differently to it. The porn industry doesn't exist because men get aroused by intelligence and emotional connection ,and there is a reason advertisers use slender young attractive females on ads and not fat frumpy women, really! Moving on....

Quran: "O children of Adam, We have bestowed upon you clothing to conceal your private parts and as adornment. But the clothing of righteousness - that is best. That is from the signs of Allah that perhaps they will remember"-[7:26]

Now as far as the man's dress code, for the man, the 'awrah is defined as the area between the navel and the knees. ( Awrah is an islamic term that denotes the intimate parts of a man/woman). Men & women have different awrahs. Within the definition of 'awrah for men and women, all the four basic requirements are essentially the same:

1. Man should fully cover his awrah.
2. Men's clothes should be loose enough so as not
to describe what he is covering (his awrah).
3. They should be thick enough so as not to describe the color of the skin or the parts
required to be covered.
4. They should not be designed in a way to attract
attention. The basic rule of modesty and avoiding "show off" applies to all believers’ men and women. Source: http://www.icmtn.org/forms/women_dress.pdf

But the burqas and niqabs DO attract attention.

Also, as far as modesty goes, the definition of it goes beyond dress code. It's the way a person projects themselves in total. The very flashy lifestyle of the oil rich Muslim dominant countries in the M.E.-where this sort of dress is so important- as well as those that live or visit here from there completely negates the so-called modesty of their burqa. The burqa with the $5000 purse while driving in the 100K G-wagon doesn't exude modest, nor do the men in their loose attire with the thick gold chains and watches while they ride in the back of their Rolls with their driver after their servant carries their things.

Observant Muslim men do not wear gold or silk.

Muslima wrote:

True. Gold and silk have been forbidden to men in this life, only women can wear them, but I have yet to hear about the men lobby crying injustice in dress codes and marching for the right of men to wear silk and gold. Somehow it's all about the injustice of the Muslim women and their headscarves

Muslima wrote:
True. Gold and silk have been forbidden to men in this life, only women can wear them, but I have yet to hear about the men lobby crying injustice in dress codes and marching for the right of men to wear silk and gold. Somehow it's all about the injustice of the Muslim women and their headscarves

Muslima wrote:
And that's a result of patriarchy, nothing to do with the religion itself

Muslima wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Muslima wrote:And for men, it's not just about lowering the gaze, like i said they also have a dress code. Yes, they do not have to wear a scarf, because obviously the male and female bodies are different and males/females react differently to it. The porn industry doesn't exist because men get aroused by intelligence and emotional connection ,and there is a reason advertisers use slender young attractive females on ads and not fat frumpy women, really! Moving on....

Quran: "O children of Adam, We have bestowed upon you clothing to conceal your private parts and as adornment. But the clothing of righteousness - that is best. That is from the signs of Allah that perhaps they will remember"-[7:26]

Now as far as the man's dress code, for the man, the 'awrah is defined as the area between the navel and the knees. ( Awrah is an islamic term that denotes the intimate parts of a man/woman). Men & women have different awrahs. Within the definition of 'awrah for men and women, all the four basic requirements are essentially the same:

1. Man should fully cover his awrah.
2. Men's clothes should be loose enough so as not
to describe what he is covering (his awrah).
3. They should be thick enough so as not to describe the color of the skin or the parts
required to be covered.
4. They should not be designed in a way to attract
attention. The basic rule of modesty and avoiding "show off" applies to all believers’ men and women. Source: http://www.icmtn.org/forms/women_dress.pdf

But the burqas and niqabs DO attract attention.

Also, as far as modesty goes, the definition of it goes beyond dress code. It's the way a person projects themselves in total. The very flashy lifestyle of the oil rich Muslim dominant countries in the M.E.-where this sort of dress is so important- as well as those that live or visit here from there completely negates the so-called modesty of their burqa. The burqa with the $5000 purse while driving in the 100K G-wagon doesn't exude modest, nor do the men in their loose attire with the thick gold chains and watches while they ride in the back of their Rolls with their driver after their servant carries their things.

I think it depends on the region. A burqa won't attract attention in Afghanistan and a niqab will not attract attention in Saudi Arabia. Walk in the US with either and yes you all attract stares. Burqas are cultural actually, I've never met anyone in the US wearing a burqa, the most covered women you see here are wearing niqabs. Important to note that burqas or niqabs are not a requirement of the islamic dress according to the majority of the Muslim scholars.

As far as the flashy lifestyle of the rich gulf countries, I agree, it is far from being modest, we all have our demons

Anonymous wrote:

They're at Tyson's Mall or Tyson's Galleria all the time- I'm guessing buying their expensive handbags. Also a few times at Mosiac in Merrifield but not as often.

My son was so confused the first time he saw it, he thought they were ninjas! I tried to smile and shoo my kid to the side so they wouldn't notice his loud voice and pointing finger, but it was awkward for all of us. And before anyone comes down on me about my child and manners, yes, I later used it as a teaching moment and no I'm not a horrible parent.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

They're at Tyson's Mall or Tyson's Galleria all the time- I'm guessing buying their expensive handbags. Also a few times at Mosiac in Merrifield but not as often.

My son was so confused the first time he saw it, he thought they were ninjas! I tried to smile and shoo my kid to the side so they wouldn't notice his loud voice and pointing finger, but it was awkward for all of us. And before anyone comes down on me about my child and manners, yes, I later used it as a teaching moment and no I'm not a horrible parent.

I am guessing you don't know the difference between a niqab and a burqa. A burqa is something worn mostly by Afghan women - tightly covered head and a loose coat attached to it.

What you see in Tysons are women wearing a niqab (head and face cover) with a loose coat (abaya) on top of their regular clothes. Not a burqa.

Anonymous wrote:
They're at Tyson's Mall or Tyson's Galleria all the time- I'm guessing buying their expensive handbags. Also a few times at Mosiac in Merrifield but not as often.

My son was so confused the first time he saw it, he thought they were ninjas! I tried to smile and shoo my kid to the side so they wouldn't notice his loud voice and pointing finger, but it was awkward for all of us. And before anyone comes down on me about my child and manners, yes, I later used it as a teaching moment and no I'm not a horrible parent.