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Anonymous wrote:Actually, the private sessions are $200 per hour. About the same amount you can "buy" a politician for in this area.

This can't be factual.

Anyone charging $200hr for private soccer training better have a 100% guarantee to get my kid into a professional academy.
Paying $200hr or even $100hr for private, then $3,000+ and endless other expenses to play pay-for-pay is ludicrous.

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Anonymous wrote:Philip Gyau coaches at BSC and privately at NextStar. Does he favor players? Most kids who train with NextStar are already quite good and super motivated so I assume that gets them playing time.

A few kids at NextStar are "quite good" and would be quite good with or without NS.
They are the bait.

The rest are lured to drop big bucks on the false premise that they will get a leg up and access and rostered to top age group teams at Bethesda.
Especially MLS Next teams.

Who is doing the “luring” in this scenario? And lol re “the bait”. You are describing a situation where the most talented kids who train with NextStar end up with playing time on top teams, which leads ambitious parents to think maybe their kid will get to that level if only they put in enough hours doing the same private training. NextStar didn’t make you pay them the money and your kid can progress well on his own if he’s talented and puts in the hours.

I generally agree with OP’s point re the conflict of interest, especially if you are talking about coaches that work only or mostly with their current club players. That’s pretty much always a disaster for team morale. I don’t think it’s much of an issue where you are talking about a company like NextStar or some of the other big training programs in the area. For NextStar, hundreds of kids of all ages are doing those sessions, most of whom will never be eligible to play on the one or two teams PG coaches, and PT doesn’t coach any club teams as far as I know. PG has decades of history of spotting talented kids in our area and nurturing their talents, and has done so regardless of their parent’s ability to pay. A large percentage of men and women who have gone pro from our area were trained by him, and his pro and college protégés always train with him when they are free. The fact that he’s finally working in a structure that hopefully pays him decent money is a good thing for the level of soccer in the area.

Most NS clients are Bethesda players or trying to join Bethesda.
Where are these sessions with "hundreds of kids" kept?
Many NS most talented players are already on top Bethesda teams.
Anyone putting in quality extra work anywhere will improve.
No one mentioned the quality of the sessions being bad.
Isn't it a conflict of interest that the club Bethesda allows a private for profit entity to use their training fields for a Bethesda coach to do private training for some kids on his team?

An earlier poster mentioned appearance of impropriety or quid pro quo.
Bethesda allows Bethesda coach to make private money training some Bethesda kids who move up their age group ranks while parents who do not pay to train with him see their kids do not advance.

This post is kind of wild, to be honest.

There is no quid-pro-quo with PG. He's gonna play the kids on his team that give them the best chance to win, while rotating others to develop them.
Where are all these "wannabe BSC players" you mention? As a Bethesda parent, I wish we had more kids who put in the extra work trying to join the club.
At any given NS session, about 1/3 to 1/2 of the kids are not Bethesda. Kids come from Northern VA and DC and elsewhere in MD. And that's not even including summers/winters/etc., where there is an even greater non-Bethesda turn out.
The quality of the sessions is very good, btw.
Also, whoever posted about NS "using BSC fields" is wilding out. Bethesda uses the same old crappy school fields that others around here have to use (besides Soccerplex occasionally, which NS does not use). Neither Bethesda nor NS have the luxury of a St. Johns, or a St. James, or even Julius West.

We are non-BSC player training sometimes with NS because it’s a good quality training and u don’t need to signup. U just drop in and they don’t even bill you much much later on. This structure does not really for profit to be honest. I agree with the PP who says 1/3 or 1/2 are not BSC kids who just looking for good training when they can. And no one ever poach them to go to BSC and some of the kids I see are from top teams in the area.

Personally - I’m glad to have this option for my kid. PG always positive toward my kid and remember even if they just drop in every now and then. Let’s knock a good program down with favoritism as I honestly don’t see it.

+1 We are also a non-BSC family and glad to have this option to drop in. My kid is already on a top team in the area and we have no plans on moving to BSC.

Define "a top team"

MLSNext

MLS Next is a league. Not a team.
There are MLS Clubs and MLS Next affiliate teams.
Some teams are consistent top performers and some are bottom of table dwellers.

Anonymous wrote:Meh. These guys and gals get paid a pittance. I'd rather my kid private train with a person who knows their true strengths and weaknesses rather than a generic private training type

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Anonymous wrote:Philip Gyau coaches at BSC and privately at NextStar. Does he favor players? Most kids who train with NextStar are already quite good and super motivated so I assume that gets them playing time.

A few kids at NextStar are "quite good" and would be quite good with or without NS.
They are the bait.

The rest are lured to drop big bucks on the false premise that they will get a leg up and access and rostered to top age group teams at Bethesda.
Especially MLS Next teams.

Who is doing the “luring” in this scenario? And lol re “the bait”. You are describing a situation where the most talented kids who train with NextStar end up with playing time on top teams, which leads ambitious parents to think maybe their kid will get to that level if only they put in enough hours doing the same private training. NextStar didn’t make you pay them the money and your kid can progress well on his own if he’s talented and puts in the hours.

I generally agree with OP’s point re the conflict of interest, especially if you are talking about coaches that work only or mostly with their current club players. That’s pretty much always a disaster for team morale. I don’t think it’s much of an issue where you are talking about a company like NextStar or some of the other big training programs in the area. For NextStar, hundreds of kids of all ages are doing those sessions, most of whom will never be eligible to play on the one or two teams PG coaches, and PT doesn’t coach any club teams as far as I know. PG has decades of history of spotting talented kids in our area and nurturing their talents, and has done so regardless of their parent’s ability to pay. A large percentage of men and women who have gone pro from our area were trained by him, and his pro and college protégés always train with him when they are free. The fact that he’s finally working in a structure that hopefully pays him decent money is a good thing for the level of soccer in the area.

Most NS clients are Bethesda players or trying to join Bethesda.
Where are these sessions with "hundreds of kids" kept?
Many NS most talented players are already on top Bethesda teams.
Anyone putting in quality extra work anywhere will improve.
No one mentioned the quality of the sessions being bad.
Isn't it a conflict of interest that the club Bethesda allows a private for profit entity to use their training fields for a Bethesda coach to do private training for some kids on his team?

An earlier poster mentioned appearance of impropriety or quid pro quo.
Bethesda allows Bethesda coach to make private money training some Bethesda kids who move up their age group ranks while parents who do not pay to train with him see their kids do not advance.

This post is kind of wild, to be honest.

There is no quid-pro-quo with PG. He's gonna play the kids on his team that give them the best chance to win, while rotating others to develop them.
Where are all these "wannabe BSC players" you mention? As a Bethesda parent, I wish we had more kids who put in the extra work trying to join the club.
At any given NS session, about 1/3 to 1/2 of the kids are not Bethesda. Kids come from Northern VA and DC and elsewhere in MD. And that's not even including summers/winters/etc., where there is an even greater non-Bethesda turn out.
The quality of the sessions is very good, btw.
Also, whoever posted about NS "using BSC fields" is wilding out. Bethesda uses the same old crappy school fields that others around here have to use (besides Soccerplex occasionally, which NS does not use). Neither Bethesda nor NS have the luxury of a St. Johns, or a St. James, or even Julius West.

We are non-BSC player training sometimes with NS because it’s a good quality training and u don’t need to signup. U just drop in and they don’t even bill you much much later on. This structure does not really for profit to be honest. I agree with the PP who says 1/3 or 1/2 are not BSC kids who just looking for good training when they can. And no one ever poach them to go to BSC and some of the kids I see are from top teams in the area.

Personally - I’m glad to have this option for my kid. PG always positive toward my kid and remember even if they just drop in every now and then. Let’s knock a good program down with favoritism as I honestly don’t see it.

+1 We are also a non-BSC family and glad to have this option to drop in. My kid is already on a top team in the area and we have no plans on moving to BSC.

Define "a top team"

MLSNext

MLS Next is a league. Not a team.
There are MLS Clubs and MLS Next affiliate teams.
Some teams are consistent top performers and some are bottom of table dwellers.

This response is silly and likely defensive of a lower league. The "bottom of table dwellers" in MLS Next are as good as mid-table ECNL clubs and better than all but a few of the top teams in USYS/EDP and maybe NCSL. Given that there are 6 divisions of some ages in NCSL and EDP plus NAL and ECNL-R, there are hundreds and hundreds of teams in the area. I think it's OK for a parent to say their kid is on a "top team" if they're on any MLS Next squad.

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Anonymous wrote:Meh. These guys and gals get paid a pittance. I'd rather my kid private train with a person who knows their true strengths and weaknesses rather than a generic private training type

I agree. It's a full-time job but barely pays enough to make ends meet. Our coach doesn't offer private lessons, but we go to a coach of an older team that does, and he's worth the $100/hour fee. I can see why it is perceived as a conflict but also keep in mind that coaches need the extra money, and there is demand for their services. A good coach is not going to dole out extra playing time to students (arguably, a good coach is trying to get everyone fair playing time in games).

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Anonymous wrote:Philip Gyau coaches at BSC and privately at NextStar. Does he favor players? Most kids who train with NextStar are already quite good and super motivated so I assume that gets them playing time.

A few kids at NextStar are "quite good" and would be quite good with or without NS.
They are the bait.

The rest are lured to drop big bucks on the false premise that they will get a leg up and access and rostered to top age group teams at Bethesda.
Especially MLS Next teams.

Who is doing the “luring” in this scenario? And lol re “the bait”. You are describing a situation where the most talented kids who train with NextStar end up with playing time on top teams, which leads ambitious parents to think maybe their kid will get to that level if only they put in enough hours doing the same private training. NextStar didn’t make you pay them the money and your kid can progress well on his own if he’s talented and puts in the hours.

I generally agree with OP’s point re the conflict of interest, especially if you are talking about coaches that work only or mostly with their current club players. That’s pretty much always a disaster for team morale. I don’t think it’s much of an issue where you are talking about a company like NextStar or some of the other big training programs in the area. For NextStar, hundreds of kids of all ages are doing those sessions, most of whom will never be eligible to play on the one or two teams PG coaches, and PT doesn’t coach any club teams as far as I know. PG has decades of history of spotting talented kids in our area and nurturing their talents, and has done so regardless of their parent’s ability to pay. A large percentage of men and women who have gone pro from our area were trained by him, and his pro and college protégés always train with him when they are free. The fact that he’s finally working in a structure that hopefully pays him decent money is a good thing for the level of soccer in the area.

Most NS clients are Bethesda players or trying to join Bethesda.
Where are these sessions with "hundreds of kids" kept?
Many NS most talented players are already on top Bethesda teams.
Anyone putting in quality extra work anywhere will improve.
No one mentioned the quality of the sessions being bad.
Isn't it a conflict of interest that the club Bethesda allows a private for profit entity to use their training fields for a Bethesda coach to do private training for some kids on his team?

An earlier poster mentioned appearance of impropriety or quid pro quo.
Bethesda allows Bethesda coach to make private money training some Bethesda kids who move up their age group ranks while parents who do not pay to train with him see their kids do not advance.

This post is kind of wild, to be honest.

There is no quid-pro-quo with PG. He's gonna play the kids on his team that give them the best chance to win, while rotating others to develop them.
Where are all these "wannabe BSC players" you mention? As a Bethesda parent, I wish we had more kids who put in the extra work trying to join the club.
At any given NS session, about 1/3 to 1/2 of the kids are not Bethesda. Kids come from Northern VA and DC and elsewhere in MD. And that's not even including summers/winters/etc., where there is an even greater non-Bethesda turn out.
The quality of the sessions is very good, btw.
Also, whoever posted about NS "using BSC fields" is wilding out. Bethesda uses the same old crappy school fields that others around here have to use (besides Soccerplex occasionally, which NS does not use). Neither Bethesda nor NS have the luxury of a St. Johns, or a St. James, or even Julius West.

We are non-BSC player training sometimes with NS because it’s a good quality training and u don’t need to signup. U just drop in and they don’t even bill you much much later on. This structure does not really for profit to be honest. I agree with the PP who says 1/3 or 1/2 are not BSC kids who just looking for good training when they can. And no one ever poach them to go to BSC and some of the kids I see are from top teams in the area.

Personally - I’m glad to have this option for my kid. PG always positive toward my kid and remember even if they just drop in every now and then. Let’s knock a good program down with favoritism as I honestly don’t see it.

+1 We are also a non-BSC family and glad to have this option to drop in. My kid is already on a top team in the area and we have no plans on moving to BSC.

Define "a top team"

MLSNext

MLS Next is a league. Not a team.
There are MLS Clubs and MLS Next affiliate teams.
Some teams are consistent top performers and some are bottom of table dwellers.

This response is silly and likely defensive of a lower league. The "bottom of table dwellers" in MLS Next are as good as mid-table ECNL clubs and better than all but a few of the top teams in USYS/EDP and maybe NCSL. Given that there are 6 divisions of some ages in NCSL and EDP plus NAL and ECNL-R, there are hundreds and hundreds of teams in the area. I think it's OK for a parent to say their kid is on a "top team" if they're on any MLS Next squad.

Seems the response are 3 lines of facts. Which ones are you disputing that makes it silly?
Your response however is conjecture and opinion.

Anonymous wrote:Actually, the private sessions are $200 per hour. About the same amount you can "buy" a politician for in this area.

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Anonymous wrote:Philip Gyau coaches at BSC and privately at NextStar. Does he favor players? Most kids who train with NextStar are already quite good and super motivated so I assume that gets them playing time.

A few kids at NextStar are "quite good" and would be quite good with or without NS.
They are the bait.

The rest are lured to drop big bucks on the false premise that they will get a leg up and access and rostered to top age group teams at Bethesda.
Especially MLS Next teams.

Who is doing the “luring” in this scenario? And lol re “the bait”. You are describing a situation where the most talented kids who train with NextStar end up with playing time on top teams, which leads ambitious parents to think maybe their kid will get to that level if only they put in enough hours doing the same private training. NextStar didn’t make you pay them the money and your kid can progress well on his own if he’s talented and puts in the hours.

I generally agree with OP’s point re the conflict of interest, especially if you are talking about coaches that work only or mostly with their current club players. That’s pretty much always a disaster for team morale. I don’t think it’s much of an issue where you are talking about a company like NextStar or some of the other big training programs in the area. For NextStar, hundreds of kids of all ages are doing those sessions, most of whom will never be eligible to play on the one or two teams PG coaches, and PT doesn’t coach any club teams as far as I know. PG has decades of history of spotting talented kids in our area and nurturing their talents, and has done so regardless of their parent’s ability to pay. A large percentage of men and women who have gone pro from our area were trained by him, and his pro and college protégés always train with him when they are free. The fact that he’s finally working in a structure that hopefully pays him decent money is a good thing for the level of soccer in the area.

Most NS clients are Bethesda players or trying to join Bethesda.
Where are these sessions with "hundreds of kids" kept?
Many NS most talented players are already on top Bethesda teams.
Anyone putting in quality extra work anywhere will improve.
No one mentioned the quality of the sessions being bad.
Isn't it a conflict of interest that the club Bethesda allows a private for profit entity to use their training fields for a Bethesda coach to do private training for some kids on his team?

An earlier poster mentioned appearance of impropriety or quid pro quo.
Bethesda allows Bethesda coach to make private money training some Bethesda kids who move up their age group ranks while parents who do not pay to train with him see their kids do not advance.

This post is kind of wild, to be honest.

There is no quid-pro-quo with PG. He's gonna play the kids on his team that give them the best chance to win, while rotating others to develop them.
Where are all these "wannabe BSC players" you mention? As a Bethesda parent, I wish we had more kids who put in the extra work trying to join the club.
At any given NS session, about 1/3 to 1/2 of the kids are not Bethesda. Kids come from Northern VA and DC and elsewhere in MD. And that's not even including summers/winters/etc., where there is an even greater non-Bethesda turn out.
The quality of the sessions is very good, btw.
Also, whoever posted about NS "using BSC fields" is wilding out. Bethesda uses the same old crappy school fields that others around here have to use (besides Soccerplex occasionally, which NS does not use). Neither Bethesda nor NS have the luxury of a St. Johns, or a St. James, or even Julius West.

We are non-BSC player training sometimes with NS because it’s a good quality training and u don’t need to signup. U just drop in and they don’t even bill you much much later on. This structure does not really for profit to be honest. I agree with the PP who says 1/3 or 1/2 are not BSC kids who just looking for good training when they can. And no one ever poach them to go to BSC and some of the kids I see are from top teams in the area.

Personally - I’m glad to have this option for my kid. PG always positive toward my kid and remember even if they just drop in every now and then. Let’s knock a good program down with favoritism as I honestly don’t see it.

+1 We are also a non-BSC family and glad to have this option to drop in. My kid is already on a top team in the area and we have no plans on moving to BSC.

Define "a top team"

MLSNext

MLS Next is a league. Not a team.
There are MLS Clubs and MLS Next affiliate teams.
Some teams are consistent top performers and some are bottom of table dwellers.

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Anonymous wrote:Meh. These guys and gals get paid a pittance. I'd rather my kid private train with a person who knows their true strengths and weaknesses rather than a generic private training type

I agree. It's a full-time job but barely pays enough to make ends meet. Our coach doesn't offer private lessons, but we go to a coach of an older team that does, and he's worth the $100/hour fee. I can see why it is perceived as a conflict but also keep in mind that coaches need the extra money, and there is demand for their services. A good coach is not going to dole out extra playing time to students (arguably, a good coach is trying to get everyone fair playing time in games).

Please explain with some details the $100hr value.

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Anonymous wrote:Philip Gyau coaches at BSC and privately at NextStar. Does he favor players? Most kids who train with NextStar are already quite good and super motivated so I assume that gets them playing time.

A few kids at NextStar are "quite good" and would be quite good with or without NS.
They are the bait.

The rest are lured to drop big bucks on the false premise that they will get a leg up and access and rostered to top age group teams at Bethesda.
Especially MLS Next teams.

Who is doing the “luring” in this scenario? And lol re “the bait”. You are describing a situation where the most talented kids who train with NextStar end up with playing time on top teams, which leads ambitious parents to think maybe their kid will get to that level if only they put in enough hours doing the same private training. NextStar didn’t make you pay them the money and your kid can progress well on his own if he’s talented and puts in the hours.

I generally agree with OP’s point re the conflict of interest, especially if you are talking about coaches that work only or mostly with their current club players. That’s pretty much always a disaster for team morale. I don’t think it’s much of an issue where you are talking about a company like NextStar or some of the other big training programs in the area. For NextStar, hundreds of kids of all ages are doing those sessions, most of whom will never be eligible to play on the one or two teams PG coaches, and PT doesn’t coach any club teams as far as I know. PG has decades of history of spotting talented kids in our area and nurturing their talents, and has done so regardless of their parent’s ability to pay. A large percentage of men and women who have gone pro from our area were trained by him, and his pro and college protégés always train with him when they are free. The fact that he’s finally working in a structure that hopefully pays him decent money is a good thing for the level of soccer in the area.

Most NS clients are Bethesda players or trying to join Bethesda.
Where are these sessions with "hundreds of kids" kept?
Many NS most talented players are already on top Bethesda teams.
Anyone putting in quality extra work anywhere will improve.
No one mentioned the quality of the sessions being bad.
Isn't it a conflict of interest that the club Bethesda allows a private for profit entity to use their training fields for a Bethesda coach to do private training for some kids on his team?

An earlier poster mentioned appearance of impropriety or quid pro quo.
Bethesda allows Bethesda coach to make private money training some Bethesda kids who move up their age group ranks while parents who do not pay to train with him see their kids do not advance.

This post is kind of wild, to be honest.

There is no quid-pro-quo with PG. He's gonna play the kids on his team that give them the best chance to win, while rotating others to develop them.
Where are all these "wannabe BSC players" you mention? As a Bethesda parent, I wish we had more kids who put in the extra work trying to join the club.
At any given NS session, about 1/3 to 1/2 of the kids are not Bethesda. Kids come from Northern VA and DC and elsewhere in MD. And that's not even including summers/winters/etc., where there is an even greater non-Bethesda turn out.
The quality of the sessions is very good, btw.
Also, whoever posted about NS "using BSC fields" is wilding out. Bethesda uses the same old crappy school fields that others around here have to use (besides Soccerplex occasionally, which NS does not use). Neither Bethesda nor NS have the luxury of a St. Johns, or a St. James, or even Julius West.

We are non-BSC player training sometimes with NS because it’s a good quality training and u don’t need to signup. U just drop in and they don’t even bill you much much later on. This structure does not really for profit to be honest. I agree with the PP who says 1/3 or 1/2 are not BSC kids who just looking for good training when they can. And no one ever poach them to go to BSC and some of the kids I see are from top teams in the area.

Personally - I’m glad to have this option for my kid. PG always positive toward my kid and remember even if they just drop in every now and then. Let’s knock a good program down with favoritism as I honestly don’t see it.

+1 We are also a non-BSC family and glad to have this option to drop in. My kid is already on a top team in the area and we have no plans on moving to BSC.

Define "a top team"

MLSNext

MLS Next is a league. Not a team.
There are MLS Clubs and MLS Next affiliate teams.
Some teams are consistent top performers and some are bottom of table dwellers.

This response is silly and likely defensive of a lower league. The "bottom of table dwellers" in MLS Next are as good as mid-table ECNL clubs and better than all but a few of the top teams in USYS/EDP and maybe NCSL. Given that there are 6 divisions of some ages in NCSL and EDP plus NAL and ECNL-R, there are hundreds and hundreds of teams in the area. I think it's OK for a parent to say their kid is on a "top team" if they're on any MLS Next squad.

Seems the response are 3 lines of facts. Which ones are you disputing that makes it silly?
Your response however is conjecture and opinion.

It's silly that you would take the time to try to cast doubt on whether someone's child is on a top team, on an anonymous forum. Why do you care?

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Anonymous wrote:Philip Gyau coaches at BSC and privately at NextStar. Does he favor players? Most kids who train with NextStar are already quite good and super motivated so I assume that gets them playing time.

A few kids at NextStar are "quite good" and would be quite good with or without NS.
They are the bait.

The rest are lured to drop big bucks on the false premise that they will get a leg up and access and rostered to top age group teams at Bethesda.
Especially MLS Next teams.

Who is doing the “luring” in this scenario? And lol re “the bait”. You are describing a situation where the most talented kids who train with NextStar end up with playing time on top teams, which leads ambitious parents to think maybe their kid will get to that level if only they put in enough hours doing the same private training. NextStar didn’t make you pay them the money and your kid can progress well on his own if he’s talented and puts in the hours.

I generally agree with OP’s point re the conflict of interest, especially if you are talking about coaches that work only or mostly with their current club players. That’s pretty much always a disaster for team morale. I don’t think it’s much of an issue where you are talking about a company like NextStar or some of the other big training programs in the area. For NextStar, hundreds of kids of all ages are doing those sessions, most of whom will never be eligible to play on the one or two teams PG coaches, and PT doesn’t coach any club teams as far as I know. PG has decades of history of spotting talented kids in our area and nurturing their talents, and has done so regardless of their parent’s ability to pay. A large percentage of men and women who have gone pro from our area were trained by him, and his pro and college protégés always train with him when they are free. The fact that he’s finally working in a structure that hopefully pays him decent money is a good thing for the level of soccer in the area.

Most NS clients are Bethesda players or trying to join Bethesda.
Where are these sessions with "hundreds of kids" kept?
Many NS most talented players are already on top Bethesda teams.
Anyone putting in quality extra work anywhere will improve.
No one mentioned the quality of the sessions being bad.
Isn't it a conflict of interest that the club Bethesda allows a private for profit entity to use their training fields for a Bethesda coach to do private training for some kids on his team?

An earlier poster mentioned appearance of impropriety or quid pro quo.
Bethesda allows Bethesda coach to make private money training some Bethesda kids who move up their age group ranks while parents who do not pay to train with him see their kids do not advance.

This post is kind of wild, to be honest.

There is no quid-pro-quo with PG. He's gonna play the kids on his team that give them the best chance to win, while rotating others to develop them.
Where are all these "wannabe BSC players" you mention? As a Bethesda parent, I wish we had more kids who put in the extra work trying to join the club.
At any given NS session, about 1/3 to 1/2 of the kids are not Bethesda. Kids come from Northern VA and DC and elsewhere in MD. And that's not even including summers/winters/etc., where there is an even greater non-Bethesda turn out.
The quality of the sessions is very good, btw.
Also, whoever posted about NS "using BSC fields" is wilding out. Bethesda uses the same old crappy school fields that others around here have to use (besides Soccerplex occasionally, which NS does not use). Neither Bethesda nor NS have the luxury of a St. Johns, or a St. James, or even Julius West.

We are non-BSC player training sometimes with NS because it’s a good quality training and u don’t need to signup. U just drop in and they don’t even bill you much much later on. This structure does not really for profit to be honest. I agree with the PP who says 1/3 or 1/2 are not BSC kids who just looking for good training when they can. And no one ever poach them to go to BSC and some of the kids I see are from top teams in the area.

Personally - I’m glad to have this option for my kid. PG always positive toward my kid and remember even if they just drop in every now and then. Let’s knock a good program down with favoritism as I honestly don’t see it.

+1 We are also a non-BSC family and glad to have this option to drop in. My kid is already on a top team in the area and we have no plans on moving to BSC.

Define "a top team"

MLSNext

MLS Next is a league. Not a team.
There are MLS Clubs and MLS Next affiliate teams.
Some teams are consistent top performers and some are bottom of table dwellers.

This response is silly and likely defensive of a lower league. The "bottom of table dwellers" in MLS Next are as good as mid-table ECNL clubs and better than all but a few of the top teams in USYS/EDP and maybe NCSL. Given that there are 6 divisions of some ages in NCSL and EDP plus NAL and ECNL-R, there are hundreds and hundreds of teams in the area. I think it's OK for a parent to say their kid is on a "top team" if they're on any MLS Next squad.

Seems the response are 3 lines of facts. Which ones are you disputing that makes it silly?
Your response however is conjecture and opinion.

It's silly that you would take the time to try to cast doubt on whether someone's child is on a top team, on an anonymous forum. Why do you care?

This is an anonymous forum. Why do you care if they care?

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Anonymous wrote:Meh. These guys and gals get paid a pittance. I'd rather my kid private train with a person who knows their true strengths and weaknesses rather than a generic private training type

I agree. It's a full-time job but barely pays enough to make ends meet. Our coach doesn't offer private lessons, but we go to a coach of an older team that does, and he's worth the $100/hour fee. I can see why it is perceived as a conflict but also keep in mind that coaches need the extra money, and there is demand for their services. A good coach is not going to dole out extra playing time to students (arguably, a good coach is trying to get everyone fair playing time in games).

Please explain with some details the $100hr value.

Anonymous wrote:Isn't it a conflict of interest to have players do private trainings with their current coach outside of the club structure for additional payment? There is a coach for a Maryland club who does individual trainings with his current players for a fee. Those players then get more playing time than those who do not do private trainings. How is this allowed?

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Anonymous wrote:Philip Gyau coaches at BSC and privately at NextStar. Does he favor players? Most kids who train with NextStar are already quite good and super motivated so I assume that gets them playing time.

A few kids at NextStar are "quite good" and would be quite good with or without NS.
They are the bait.

The rest are lured to drop big bucks on the false premise that they will get a leg up and access and rostered to top age group teams at Bethesda.
Especially MLS Next teams.

Who is doing the “luring” in this scenario? And lol re “the bait”. You are describing a situation where the most talented kids who train with NextStar end up with playing time on top teams, which leads ambitious parents to think maybe their kid will get to that level if only they put in enough hours doing the same private training. NextStar didn’t make you pay them the money and your kid can progress well on his own if he’s talented and puts in the hours.

I generally agree with OP’s point re the conflict of interest, especially if you are talking about coaches that work only or mostly with their current club players. That’s pretty much always a disaster for team morale. I don’t think it’s much of an issue where you are talking about a company like NextStar or some of the other big training programs in the area. For NextStar, hundreds of kids of all ages are doing those sessions, most of whom will never be eligible to play on the one or two teams PG coaches, and PT doesn’t coach any club teams as far as I know. PG has decades of history of spotting talented kids in our area and nurturing their talents, and has done so regardless of their parent’s ability to pay. A large percentage of men and women who have gone pro from our area were trained by him, and his pro and college protégés always train with him when they are free. The fact that he’s finally working in a structure that hopefully pays him decent money is a good thing for the level of soccer in the area.

Most NS clients are Bethesda players or trying to join Bethesda.
Where are these sessions with "hundreds of kids" kept?
Many NS most talented players are already on top Bethesda teams.
Anyone putting in quality extra work anywhere will improve.
No one mentioned the quality of the sessions being bad.
Isn't it a conflict of interest that the club Bethesda allows a private for profit entity to use their training fields for a Bethesda coach to do private training for some kids on his team?

An earlier poster mentioned appearance of impropriety or quid pro quo.
Bethesda allows Bethesda coach to make private money training some Bethesda kids who move up their age group ranks while parents who do not pay to train with him see their kids do not advance.

This post is kind of wild, to be honest.

There is no quid-pro-quo with PG. He's gonna play the kids on his team that give them the best chance to win, while rotating others to develop them.
Where are all these "wannabe BSC players" you mention? As a Bethesda parent, I wish we had more kids who put in the extra work trying to join the club.
At any given NS session, about 1/3 to 1/2 of the kids are not Bethesda. Kids come from Northern VA and DC and elsewhere in MD. And that's not even including summers/winters/etc., where there is an even greater non-Bethesda turn out.
The quality of the sessions is very good, btw.
Also, whoever posted about NS "using BSC fields" is wilding out. Bethesda uses the same old crappy school fields that others around here have to use (besides Soccerplex occasionally, which NS does not use). Neither Bethesda nor NS have the luxury of a St. Johns, or a St. James, or even Julius West.

We are non-BSC player training sometimes with NS because it’s a good quality training and u don’t need to signup. U just drop in and they don’t even bill you much much later on. This structure does not really for profit to be honest. I agree with the PP who says 1/3 or 1/2 are not BSC kids who just looking for good training when they can. And no one ever poach them to go to BSC and some of the kids I see are from top teams in the area.

Personally - I’m glad to have this option for my kid. PG always positive toward my kid and remember even if they just drop in every now and then. Let’s knock a good program down with favoritism as I honestly don’t see it.

+1 We are also a non-BSC family and glad to have this option to drop in. My kid is already on a top team in the area and we have no plans on moving to BSC.

Define "a top team"

MLSNext

MLS Next is a league. Not a team.
There are MLS Clubs and MLS Next affiliate teams.
Some teams are consistent top performers and some are bottom of table dwellers.

This response is silly and likely defensive of a lower league. The "bottom of table dwellers" in MLS Next are as good as mid-table ECNL clubs and better than all but a few of the top teams in USYS/EDP and maybe NCSL. Given that there are 6 divisions of some ages in NCSL and EDP plus NAL and ECNL-R, there are hundreds and hundreds of teams in the area. I think it's OK for a parent to say their kid is on a "top team" if they're on any MLS Next squad.

Seems the response are 3 lines of facts. Which ones are you disputing that makes it silly?
Your response however is conjecture and opinion.

It's silly that you would take the time to try to cast doubt on whether someone's child is on a top team, on an anonymous forum. Why do you care?

This is an anonymous forum. Why do you care if they care?

Because it's mean-spirited and ill-informed and drags down the level of discourse. And because it adds nothing to the threads to question someone's kid's level. Most people don't want to read it.