Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The current system is broken. Too many kids with violent behavior are in general education classrooms. The protections and accommodations afforded violent students generally and especially those with an IEP are too great. The timeline to action is too slow. Their victims are not protected. I’m not a policy or a lawyer. I do not know the solution, but I can tell you that it is a problem. This problem needs to be addressed differently than it is today.

Everyone agrees it is broken, but properly funding special education isn't a popular policy position. They'll give it lip service, but they won't get their pocketbooks out.

Anonymous wrote:This is the thread:

https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1155325.page

Extreme progressive policies are making classrooms unsafe.

Anonymous wrote:Progressive policies are making classrooms unsafe and driving good teachers out of public schools. Check out the thread on teacher resignation.

But progressive news is blaming everything except the very progressive policies driving the violence in classrooms.

From the other thread on teacher resignation, this post sums it up well:

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I like how the author casually fails to mention of the impacts of progressive education policy in recent years, like instituting restorative Justice programs or less punitive approaches to managing disruptive students (like suspensions or of removing trouble students from classes), and it’s effect on teacher retention. If teachers feel they can’t teach properly because they have no recourse for disruptive students, or are in danger, but are forced to keep violent kids in classes because of these types of idealistic, naive policies, it would be good to read about that. Instead we get a watered down version of the truth.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/13/opinion/te...tudents-parents.html “


In DMV schools, a disruptive child is left IN the classroom, while every other student leaves the classroom, disrupting learning for the whole class. It is insanity.

Anonymous wrote:

It's still early in the school year- they are probably working to scaffold behavioral support for that kid still.

Yep. They need to gather data, put supports into place, gather more data, intensify supports, etc. They have a process to follow.

I like the suggestion of the PP for how to coach your child through avoiding the kid, and I would wait and see. But if another incident happened, I would contact the principal and ask to meet to discuss your concerns (and options). They can't disclose anything about the child, but if they suggest a class change, that speaks volumes. (I think last year that exact scenario happened to a poster).

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Progressive policies are making classrooms unsafe and driving good teachers out of public schools. Check out the thread on teacher resignation.

But progressive news is blaming everything except the very progressive policies driving the violence in classrooms.

From the other thread on teacher resignation, this post sums it up well:

“
I like how the author casually fails to mention of the impacts of progressive education policy in recent years, like instituting restorative Justice programs or less punitive approaches to managing disruptive students (like suspensions or of removing trouble students from classes), and it’s effect on teacher retention. If teachers feel they can’t teach properly because they have no recourse for disruptive students, or are in danger, but are forced to keep violent kids in classes because of these types of idealistic, naive policies, it would be good to read about that. Instead we get a watered down version of the truth.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/13/opinion/te...tudents-parents.html “


In DMV schools, a disruptive child is left IN the classroom, while every other student leaves the classroom, disrupting learning for the whole class. It is insanity.

Maybe turn off the Fox News for a bit. I was a teacher from before this was a huge issue to after, and I saw exactly how it played out. It was not progressive policies. It was the confluence of changing educational policy (which did not originate with politicians) and the needs of certain districts to save money. It stuck because it was cheaper, and once schools had cut the special disciplinary staff, the extra self-contained teachers, and repurposed the extra classroom space, there was no going back when it turned out to be a disaster.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The current system is broken. Too many kids with violent behavior are in general education classrooms. The protections and accommodations afforded violent students generally and especially those with an IEP are too great. The timeline to action is too slow. Their victims are not protected. I’m not a policy or a lawyer. I do not know the solution, but I can tell you that it is a problem. This problem needs to be addressed differently than it is today.

Everyone agrees it is broken, but properly funding special education isn't a popular policy position. They'll give it lip service, but they won't get their pocketbooks out.

Then it comes back to shifting the policy so the main burden of this exorbitant cost is on the feds. Local schools are never going to have the immense amounts of money this can cost.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The current system is broken. Too many kids with violent behavior are in general education classrooms. The protections and accommodations afforded violent students generally and especially those with an IEP are too great. The timeline to action is too slow. Their victims are not protected. I’m not a policy or a lawyer. I do not know the solution, but I can tell you that it is a problem. This problem needs to be addressed differently than it is today.

Everyone agrees it is broken, but properly funding special education isn't a popular policy position. They'll give it lip service, but they won't get their pocketbooks out.

Then it comes back to shifting the policy so the main burden of this exorbitant cost is on the feds. Local schools are never going to have the immense amounts of money this can cost.

Or we could just have mainstream schools and special schools for kids who are not able to be reasonably educated in mainstream schools, like the rest of the world. And bring back mental hospitals at the same time.

The experiments have failed and it’s time to claim the country back.

Maybe turn off the Fox News for a bit. I was a teacher from before this was a huge issue to after, and I saw exactly how it played out. It was not progressive policies. It was the confluence of changing educational policy (which did not originate with politicians) and the needs of certain districts to save money. It stuck because it was cheaper, and once schools had cut the special disciplinary staff, the extra self-contained teachers, and repurposed the extra classroom space, there was no going back when it turned out to be a disaster.

Anonymous wrote:Why are so many kids so disruptive these days??

Anonymous wrote:

Maybe turn off the Fox News for a bit. I was a teacher from before this was a huge issue to after, and I saw exactly how it played out. It was not progressive policies. It was the confluence of changing educational policy (which did not originate with politicians) and the needs of certain districts to save money. It stuck because it was cheaper, and once schools had cut the special disciplinary staff, the extra self-contained teachers, and repurposed the extra classroom space, there was no going back when it turned out to be a disaster.

I can recall ~ 25 years ago when those working with IDEA pushed inclusive classrooms and natural environments for early intervention. I thought it was a mistake then and is still today.

These events described here may or may not be mental disorders that require a different learning environment. Hard to tell in the first quarter in K. Many of these kids will turn it around with support from school and home.

Anonymous wrote:You will lose your kid’s trust and respect if you don’t move them to a safe classroom, put them in private, or homeschool.
Ask me how I know.