Volleyball club- recap and thoughts

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Anonymous wrote:For anybody whose DD attended Metro or Paramount tryouts this season (or any of the other more competitive clubs that are a step down from those two), how did the tryout process go there? Just trying to prepare myself for next season when I know my kid is inevitably going to want to tryout for those two clubs.

It’s been a few years since my kid was there so I’ll let others address specifics of this year—-but most don’t try out there unless they’ve been to summer camps/training sessions with those clubs. The ones that do attend are asked to do all the same things as other attendees and they rotate them onto various courts.
From what I recall, there was lots of movement and lots of mixing it up. Yes you can tell when you’re on a “top” court but they don’t park you on a court and ignore you.


For Paramount, VA Juniors, The St. James, VA Elite, Mojo (Mojo in past years didn't try out this year), they will separate the players that they are considering for their 'A' teams. You can easily tell the 'A' team players because some will be mixed with last years players and the coaches will be at that court. If the club has multiple teams for an age group, you will see 'B' team candidates in second court. Unfortunately, those that they aren't even considering will be on another court with assistant coaches. They will occasionally shift players onto the 'A' team court and at that point you may have a shot.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:For anybody whose DD attended Metro or Paramount tryouts this season (or any of the other more competitive clubs that are a step down from those two), how did the tryout process go there? Just trying to prepare myself for next season when I know my kid is inevitably going to want to tryout for those two clubs.


We tried out for Metro Central and East. We're a new family to this as well. We didn't know that Metro was a "top" club. We just picked the clubs that were closest to our house. Traffic and logistics in this area are a nightmare. IMO the Sunday Nov. 5th tryout was a disaster. There were 100 girls in a small gym all trying out for 4 different teams at the same time. How you can evaluate players under those conditions I have no idea. Based upon what I've learned from this thread, to prepare for next years club tryouts; make sure she's playing in HS, participate in the club's camps and clinics, and email the coaches ahead of time to see how many open roster spots they anticipate having and what positions. No need in wasting time and money if they already have an idea of who's going to make club. If they are honest with you they may be forthcoming with that information. I know some will argue that clubs aren't preselected but this was my experience. Perhaps not all 12 positions but certainly some offers will have already been extended and some will have been promoted up from the previous age tier.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:For anybody whose DD attended Metro or Paramount tryouts this season (or any of the other more competitive clubs that are a step down from those two), how did the tryout process go there? Just trying to prepare myself for next season when I know my kid is inevitably going to want to tryout for those two clubs.


Unless your kid is being recruited by those clubs, they have zero chance of making it. Best thing is to be the superstar on their current team and maybe, you’ll get an informal chat
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:Copied from a post in another site:

“Somebody once said "Whatever your club fees are, double them for your travel expenses." For us, $3,400 fees = $6,800 travel expenses = $10,200/yr

2-3 lessons/week * 46 weeks/year @ $50/lesson = $5,750

Personal Trainer 38 weeks/year @ $35/session x 2/week = $2,660

3-4 Camps/Summer (including travel) = $3,400

Equipment, Shoes, etc. $400/year

Total: $22,410/year for national/open level team, Power5/D1 aspirations


That's why they say you are prepaying for a scholarship.

Put that money in a 529, play above average level sports that cost 1/4 that and enjoy the savings and time doing multiple sports. or spend that money, your kid will have a 2% chance of getting a scholarship worth 22k a year.


2% at best - a lot of the ‘college recruits’ from even the top clubs are walk ons. They don’t tell you that when posting where their kids are going. Scholarships are reserved for the best of the best or to entice good players to D1 schools that are weak academically and most folk in this region have never heard of.
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:For anybody whose DD attended Metro or Paramount tryouts this season (or any of the other more competitive clubs that are a step down from those two), how did the tryout process go there? Just trying to prepare myself for next season when I know my kid is inevitably going to want to tryout for those two clubs.


We tried out for Metro Central and East. We're a new family to this as well. We didn't know that Metro was a "top" club. We just picked the clubs that were closest to our house. Traffic and logistics in this area are a nightmare. IMO the Sunday Nov. 5th tryout was a disaster. There were 100 girls in a small gym all trying out for 4 different teams at the same time. How you can evaluate players under those conditions I have no idea. Based upon what I've learned from this thread, to prepare for next years club tryouts; make sure she's playing in HS, participate in the club's camps and clinics, and email the coaches ahead of time to see how many open roster spots they anticipate having and what positions. No need in wasting time and money if they already have an idea of who's going to make club. If they are honest with you they may be forthcoming with that information. I know some will argue that clubs aren't preselected but this was my experience. Perhaps not all 12 positions but certainly some offers will have already been extended and some will have been promoted up from the previous age tier.


Metro Central and East are regional teams and their best players look to go to VA/MD Juniors, VAE or Paramount. The “top club” mentioned here is Metro Travel which is usually the top team in the region at most age groups. There is an enormous difference between metro travel and metro regional teams.
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Aftermath thoughts:

1. Its basically pay to play.
2. Its better to start young to develop skills early. Start at 12 years old if your child is interested
3. Tryouts are not truly open, girls are preselected. Its a joke to have 100 girls on a court at a time for evaluation.
4. There are not enough teams in the DMV area. Specifically DC. VB needs a Rec component here.
5. Height plays a huge factor and since the average height is 5'3 or 5'4. Libero will be the toughest position to compete for.
6. Height and athletic potential outweigh playing experience. I.E. they'll take someone that is 6'2 before someone that understands rules, rotations, and fundamentals.
7. CHRVA needs revamping or create a new organization for the DMV area.
8. It's very expensive to play club.

I think that about covers it from my perspective.


Agree with all you said EXCEPT the bolded. Maybe there is a club or 2 that have pre-selected their rosters. But we have 2 DDs, this is the 2nd year for each of them playing (now playing U15 & U16), and for the 2nd year in a row they each got offers at clubs they'd never played for before, and different clubs from each other (thank goodness both of us parents can transport to different practices/tournaments if necessary). Main point being, for 2nd year in a row they each got an offer from a club that had NEVER seen them before. 4 different teams over the 2 yrs between them, and all of them saw our DD's for the 1st time at tryouts.

So everyone saying the teams are preselected, if they're preselected why are so many players who tried out for their same teams again now "team-less" because they didn't get any offers, including from their team from last year? Why are my 2 DD's getting offers from clubs who never knew they existed before tryouts this year? Maybe a team or a few preselect, or preselect a few players, but NO, most of the teams really are seeing girls for the first time at tryouts. And they've done the best they can to really notice them, and move them from court to court as they see playing they like/are looking for.

Do some good and some really good players fall through the cracks of being noticed? Absolutely, we know a couple, and that absolutely sucks. But the teams who didn't take them still took other players we know for the 1st time.


Probably varies a bit, there’s a spectrum. But it is surprising to have made enough of an impression cold at tryouts in that age group



I think it all depends on the club. For lower and mid clubs like Vienna Elite second and third teams will not preselect. For first teams maybe a few.
Same with mojo pink teams, Loudoun elite, etc. The preselect comes in play with top teams like Metro Travel, Paramount, and VA Juniors.


Maybe that’s why people get upset when mojo and mevc do not look at girls who are good players for them. Parents probably thought those were reasonable tryout options. Then spent money and time on clubs that didn’t even look. Making it harder for those girls to make a club bc the tryout window is short, you can’t be two places at once
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I think it all depends on the club. For lower and mid clubs like Vienna Elite second and third teams will not preselect. For first teams maybe a few.
Same with mojo pink teams, Loudoun elite, etc. The preselect comes in play with top teams like Metro Travel, Paramount, and VA Juniors.


I wouldn’t consider Vienna Elite a “lower or mid club.” Their 1s teams are quite competitive.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:My kid has done a few years of club, at both low level clubs and mid level clubs. Dues around $4-5,000 and that did include uniform. Low level club did tournaments at DC Convention Center, the Gaylord, some place in Jessup, a place in Rockville, a place in Chantilly and then the end of season one in Virginia Beach (only one that required a hotel). For these you have gas, sometimes parking (and parking can be ridiculously expensive), spectator tickets, swag and food (but the food costs can vary because often you can go back to your car and do a tailgate)

Things really escalated in midlevel club because these often “required” pay to play hotels or would be just far away enough that you needed a hotel. We went to Spooky Nook, Roanoke, York, PA, Baltimore (we were threatened if we didn’t stay in team hotel our kid would be benched), Philadelphia and Virginia Beach, plus Gaylord and Convention Center. So no flights required, all driving, but the hotels and multiple days out of town cost $$$$$. Teams frequently plan to eat meals together and you’re expected to pay for the coach.

Just go into this with your eyes wide open. Just because your DD’s team didn’t cost a lot one year doesn’t make that universal and vice verse.


Club coach here. That is outrageously unethical to threaten benching a kid over where they're staying for a tournament that you shouldn't even have to do a hotel stay for (my team also played Charm City last year).
Anonymous
It all depends on how you define preselect. Their have been previous posts from parents that their daughters weren't given a look and these tryouts were not for Metro Travel or other top tier clubs.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Copied from a post in another site:

“Somebody once said "Whatever your club fees are, double them for your travel expenses." For us, $3,400 fees = $6,800 travel expenses = $10,200/yr

2-3 lessons/week * 46 weeks/year @ $50/lesson = $5,750

Personal Trainer 38 weeks/year @ $35/session x 2/week = $2,660

3-4 Camps/Summer (including travel) = $3,400

Equipment, Shoes, etc. $400/year

Total: $22,410/year for national/open level team, Power5/D1 aspirations


That's why they say you are prepaying for a scholarship.

Put that money in a 529, play above average level sports that cost 1/4 that and enjoy the savings and time doing multiple sports. or spend that money, your kid will have a 2% chance of getting a scholarship worth 22k a year.

Amen. I don’t know if people realize this money could pay for in state tuition
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:


I think it all depends on the club. For lower and mid clubs like Vienna Elite second and third teams will not preselect. For first teams maybe a few.
Same with mojo pink teams, Loudoun elite, etc. The preselect comes in play with top teams like Metro Travel, Paramount, and VA Juniors.


I wouldn’t consider Vienna Elite a “lower or mid club.” Their 1s teams are quite competitive.


They’re precisely a Midtier club in my view
Anonymous
preselect may be too strong of a word. But at some clubs going in cold will not get you a look unless you are an unusual talent/height. Even then some midtier clubs wouldn’t notice you based on how they’re running their tryouts. The term “open tryouts” combined with the broad range of how clubs do it leads to confusion and disappointment for many
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:For anybody whose DD attended Metro or Paramount tryouts this season (or any of the other more competitive clubs that are a step down from those two), how did the tryout process go there? Just trying to prepare myself for next season when I know my kid is inevitably going to want to tryout for those two clubs.


We tried out for Metro Central and East. We're a new family to this as well. We didn't know that Metro was a "top" club. We just picked the clubs that were closest to our house. Traffic and logistics in this area are a nightmare. IMO the Sunday Nov. 5th tryout was a disaster. There were 100 girls in a small gym all trying out for 4 different teams at the same time. How you can evaluate players under those conditions I have no idea. Based upon what I've learned from this thread, to prepare for next years club tryouts; make sure she's playing in HS, participate in the club's camps and clinics, and email the coaches ahead of time to see how many open roster spots they anticipate having and what positions. No need in wasting time and money if they already have an idea of who's going to make club. If they are honest with you they may be forthcoming with that information. I know some will argue that clubs aren't preselected but this was my experience. Perhaps not all 12 positions but certainly some offers will have already been extended and some will have been promoted up from the previous age tier.


Let's be honest. For Metro Travel... if your daughter is NOT on a competitive (public or private school) HS varsity team as a freshman or sophomore (not bench warmer) they don't have a chance at playing for Metro Travel.
Anonymous
Metro regional teams aren’t top level. Metro travel is. I doubt coaches would respond to an email asking how many spots are open. Admitting any spots aren’t available seems at odds with CHRVA requirement to hold open tryouts.
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At the lone "official" Paramount 16s Friday tryout, there may have been 30 or so girls in total. I wonder if the club's decision to go down to one 16s team led to some players deciding to not tryout for the club.

I recognized some of the faces at the tryout from the invite-only clinic that was held a week prior. There were two courts "separated" by a "gym curtain." I could not easily tell if the girls separated themselves or if the coaches/staff had some influence on where the girls warmed up and completed the initial drills. It did seem that the invite-only girls were mostly on one side of the curtain, but that could just be my imagination. The groups were separated for roughly 20 to 30 minutes for warm-ups and serving/serve-receive drills. The entire group was together on one court for setting/hitting and scrimmaging/queens to end the tryout.

At the end of the tryout, DD heard that one new-to-PVC player was given an offer on the spot (player had attended multiple pre-tryout clinics including the invite-only). I also heard that another new-to-PVC player ... one who was NOT at the 16s tryout, but did attend the invite-only a week earlier ... was evaluated on the next day (Saturday) and was given an offer.
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