Anonymous wrote:I can see all the previous posters continue to plug their ears and blame RW talking points or take the AOC explanation that young voters didn’t show up because the agenda wasn’t sufficiently progressive and that’s why democrats lost.

Stop.

Just stop.

Stop the singular lens of identity politics through which your party must view all things. Stop labeling everything white supremacy, or sexism, or the patriarchy, or basically elevating grievance culture to the fore, and pushing lack of self accountability to the background, and blaming external forces out of anyone’s control as the sole reasons for peoples problems. Stop trying to redefine or cut funding for policing in violence plagued communities. Stop using academic jargon in your policy language and getting mad when the average American doesn’t factor in intersectional feminism into every issue, when they just want to buy affordable gas and educate their children. Your focus on the rights of like tiny swaths of the population is going to fk you in the elections. I don’t care how hip you want to be.

Your candidates also lost because parents are concerned about the watering down of Gifted and Talented classes programs, or math education, or “punctuality” or basically that you lost focus of teaching English, math and science and decided to focus more on humanistic concepts and social injustice. Bother are important issues. Racism is terrible. However, people are not just perpetual victims that you can infantalize as John McWhorter succinctly notes. People are fed up with your histrionics and sensationalist bs. Get a fking grip.

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Anonymous wrote:I can see all the previous posters continue to plug their ears and blame RW talking points or take the AOC explanation that young voters didn’t show up because the agenda wasn’t sufficiently progressive and that’s why democrats lost.

Stop.

Just stop.

Stop the singular lens of identity politics through which your party must view all things. Stop labeling everything white supremacy, or sexism, or the patriarchy, or basically elevating grievance culture to the fore, and pushing lack of self accountability to the background, and blaming external forces out of anyone’s control as the sole reasons for peoples problems. Stop trying to redefine or cut funding for policing in violence plagued communities. Stop using academic jargon in your policy language and getting mad when the average American doesn’t factor in intersectional feminism into every issue, when they just want to buy affordable gas and educate their children. Your focus on the rights of like tiny swaths of the population is going to fk you in the elections. I don’t care how hip you want to be.

Your candidates also lost because parents are concerned about the watering down of Gifted and Talented classes programs, or math education, or “punctuality” or basically that you lost focus of teaching English, math and science and decided to focus more on humanistic concepts and social injustice. Bother are important issues. Racism is terrible. However, people are not just perpetual victims that you can infantalize as John McWhorter succinctly notes. People are fed up with your histrionics and sensationalist bs. Get a fking grip.

It's a terrible sign for Democrats that she believes this is the lesson to be learned. It's insane that she thinks they're going to win more elections by continuing to push left. They're pushing the moderates/independents (the ones who really decide the elections) away.

The young are significantly farther to the left. If the party runs has-been corporate Democrats like McAuliffe it will lose because he doesn’t represent the progressive change needed in society and demanded by younger voters. More candidates like AOC and Ayanna Pressley are exactly what is needed to drive the young to the polls and finally make the country a nation that works for all, not just a privileged few. It’s your “moderate” Dems like Manchin and Sinema who are standing in the way of progress.
Also, you sound old.

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Anonymous wrote:I can see all the previous posters continue to plug their ears and blame RW talking points or take the AOC explanation that young voters didn’t show up because the agenda wasn’t sufficiently progressive and that’s why democrats lost.

Stop.

Just stop.

Stop the singular lens of identity politics through which your party must view all things. Stop labeling everything white supremacy, or sexism, or the patriarchy, or basically elevating grievance culture to the fore, and pushing lack of self accountability to the background, and blaming external forces out of anyone’s control as the sole reasons for peoples problems. Stop trying to redefine or cut funding for policing in violence plagued communities. Stop using academic jargon in your policy language and getting mad when the average American doesn’t factor in intersectional feminism into every issue, when they just want to buy affordable gas and educate their children. Your focus on the rights of like tiny swaths of the population is going to fk you in the elections. I don’t care how hip you want to be.

Your candidates also lost because parents are concerned about the watering down of Gifted and Talented classes programs, or math education, or “punctuality” or basically that you lost focus of teaching English, math and science and decided to focus more on humanistic concepts and social injustice. Bother are important issues. Racism is terrible. However, people are not just perpetual victims that you can infantalize as John McWhorter succinctly notes. People are fed up with your histrionics and sensationalist bs. Get a fking grip.

It's a terrible sign for Democrats that she believes this is the lesson to be learned. It's insane that she thinks they're going to win more elections by continuing to push left. They're pushing the moderates/independents (the ones who really decide the elections) away.

The young are significantly farther to the left. If the party runs has-been corporate Democrats like McAuliffe it will lose because he doesn’t represent the progressive change needed in society and demanded by younger voters. More candidates like AOC and Ayanna Pressley are exactly what is needed to drive the young to the polls and finally make the country a nation that works for all, not just a privileged few. It’s your “moderate” Dems like Manchin and Sinema who are standing in the way of progress.
Also, you sound old.

If AOC wasn't hot, no one would pay attention to her. Is that the progressive wing's plan going forward?

Objectifying a woman of color. How classy. Case in point for the radical change needed.

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Anonymous wrote:Bill Maher is a hacky, mediocre comedian more at home with geriatric Fox News types. Take political advice from a comic?Yea right, stick to telling jokes. Oh wait, he’s the joke.

Exactly. He is so gross. Let me "mamslain" you.

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Anonymous wrote:I can see all the previous posters continue to plug their ears and blame RW talking points or take the AOC explanation that young voters didn’t show up because the agenda wasn’t sufficiently progressive and that’s why democrats lost.

Stop.

Just stop.

Stop the singular lens of identity politics through which your party must view all things. Stop labeling everything white supremacy, or sexism, or the patriarchy, or basically elevating grievance culture to the fore, and pushing lack of self accountability to the background, and blaming external forces out of anyone’s control as the sole reasons for peoples problems. Stop trying to redefine or cut funding for policing in violence plagued communities. Stop using academic jargon in your policy language and getting mad when the average American doesn’t factor in intersectional feminism into every issue, when they just want to buy affordable gas and educate their children. Your focus on the rights of like tiny swaths of the population is going to fk you in the elections. I don’t care how hip you want to be.

Your candidates also lost because parents are concerned about the watering down of Gifted and Talented classes programs, or math education, or “punctuality” or basically that you lost focus of teaching English, math and science and decided to focus more on humanistic concepts and social injustice. Bother are important issues. Racism is terrible. However, people are not just perpetual victims that you can infantalize as John McWhorter succinctly notes. People are fed up with your histrionics and sensationalist bs. Get a fking grip.

It's a terrible sign for Democrats that she believes this is the lesson to be learned. It's insane that she thinks they're going to win more elections by continuing to push left. They're pushing the moderates/independents (the ones who really decide the elections) away.

The young are significantly farther to the left. If the party runs has-been corporate Democrats like McAuliffe it will lose because he doesn’t represent the progressive change needed in society and demanded by younger voters. More candidates like AOC and Ayanna Pressley are exactly what is needed to drive the young to the polls and finally make the country a nation that works for all, not just a privileged few. It’s your “moderate” Dems like Manchin and Sinema who are standing in the way of progress.
Also, you sound old.

This is your great plan to win elections? Insult posters while expecting young voters to show up for a state governor election? I'm not sure if you're young or old, but you're certainly naïve and will help flip the House/Senate next year.

Stick with candidates not fully committed to progressive values and see what happens. Simply giving mealymouthed lip-service to change is easy to see through and that you think we will continue to fall for it shows your naïveté.

Amazing, you really think this is why Virginia was lost. But hey, if by 'not continuing to fall for it' means your bloc won't be voting, I guess that's a win.

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Anonymous wrote:It's NOT right wing. You are really in an echo chamber and it's collapsingon you.

It really is RW and I say this as a Bill Maher fan. But doesn’t that prove it? I’m a lib but generally like Bill Maher. Most of us are not in line w/ this fake BS ‘woke’ line you guys are obsessed w. It’s such BS. Most of us just dont think children should starve or people should die when fairly routine medical intervention could save their life. WE are willing to redistribute income a bit to prevent those outcomes. We don’t give much an F abt bathrooms - just wish everyone could give others basic respect.

Republicans are firmly and profoundly against giving basic dignity and respect to other people. That’s the difference. This woke sh!t is a RW talking point.

Those carrying the torch for your party only know how to play identify politics, and more and more people are tired of it. However, the liberal extremists are doubling down on this messaging for some reason and are going to get slaughtered next year at the voting booth.

Stop with the BS identity politics talking points. Republicans are the ultimate gaslighters. Since Reagan, who announced his candidacy in Philadelphia, MS, Republicans have based all elections on identity politics. What was "Mexicans are rapists"? What was Willie Horton again?

So stop with the BS.

Yep. The republicans only know identity politics and culture wars. It’s really sad that there are so many low information/uneducated voters susceptible to this untruthful manipulation.

Anonymous wrote:His best line..."It's like trying to get laid by saying...hey...your ugly...you want to dance..."

This is exactly right. Keep yelling at everyone you may slightly disagree with. Belittling everyone in the process. Blame everyone else for everything that sucks in your life and finally...fight harder for tiny segments of people than large swaths of the lower class...now that is a strategy...

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Anonymous wrote:I love him but he’s totally wrong about this.
- moderate rep

Interesting. What do you think is off?

No need to wait for a reply. Because it's not a moderate rep, let a lone a rep. Just an internet poster upset that there are Democrats who think the woke parade has gone too far and off message.

BlueFredneck wrote:You'd think the myth that there's this hidden group of folks who'd only vote if someone sufficiently progressive enough ran would've been squashed in MD-Gov 2018. Or 2020, in which Republicans STILL gained seats in the House and held the Senate.

It's not just saying White people suck. It's also saying White people have always sucked and that there's nothing that can be done about it. Again, this may not be the precise message they're intending to send - but it gets received as such. Any disagreement? Oh, you're just having White Fragility. Examine your privilege some more.

You've got White Americans, who watched the Cosby Show in the 1980s, and elected Obama in the 2000s, being told their nation is irrevocably racist. Can you fault them for being at least a little confused, if not angry?

If we need to hear out the legitimate grievances of Black people for whom the promise of America is imperfectly realized, it makes sense to lend a non-condescending ear to the legitimate grievances of White people for whom the promise of America is imperfectly realized. But at the same time, pretending it's 1952 with regards to race relations - how is that helping?

It may not be actual Democratic *leaders* (outside of the Squad) saying these things, but more likely the wider Democratic "blob" (basically Salon/HuffPost/other LW media, LW Twitter folks, and the such.

Republicans helped Dems a with 1/6, but not enough to still keep winning. Maybe the 1/6 rioters canceled out the long hot summer of 2020 and the damage they did Dems.

I had plenty of otherwise liberal, otherwise non-criminal friends on my FB feed excusing the post-Floyd riots. But it wasn't their homes and businesses getting smashed by the rioters - what turns out to have been regular criminals, far-right agitators, and far-left folks who'd been destroying stuff since 1999. Of course you had plenty of right-wingers who were quick to equalize suburban moms protesting police malfeasance with Chavistas and the KKK.

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Anonymous wrote:I can see all the previous posters continue to plug their ears and blame RW talking points or take the AOC explanation that young voters didn’t show up because the agenda wasn’t sufficiently progressive and that’s why democrats lost.

Stop.

Just stop.

Stop the singular lens of identity politics through which your party must view all things. Stop labeling everything white supremacy, or sexism, or the patriarchy, or basically elevating grievance culture to the fore, and pushing lack of self accountability to the background, and blaming external forces out of anyone’s control as the sole reasons for peoples problems. Stop trying to redefine or cut funding for policing in violence plagued communities. Stop using academic jargon in your policy language and getting mad when the average American doesn’t factor in intersectional feminism into every issue, when they just want to buy affordable gas and educate their children. Your focus on the rights of like tiny swaths of the population is going to fk you in the elections. I don’t care how hip you want to be.

Your candidates also lost because parents are concerned about the watering down of Gifted and Talented classes programs, or math education, or “punctuality” or basically that you lost focus of teaching English, math and science and decided to focus more on humanistic concepts and social injustice. Bother are important issues. Racism is terrible. However, people are not just perpetual victims that you can infantalize as John McWhorter succinctly notes. People are fed up with your histrionics and sensationalist bs. Get a fking grip.

+1 million
Prepare to be called a "racist."

BlueFredneck wrote:You'd think the myth that there's this hidden group of folks who'd only vote if someone sufficiently progressive enough ran would've been squashed in MD-Gov 2018. Or 2020, in which Republicans STILL gained seats in the House and held the Senate.

It's not just saying White people suck. It's also saying White people have always sucked and that there's nothing that can be done about it. Again, this may not be the precise message they're intending to send - but it gets received as such. Any disagreement? Oh, you're just having White Fragility. Examine your privilege some more.

You've got White Americans, who watched the Cosby Show in the 1980s, and elected Obama in the 2000s, being told their nation is irrevocably racist. Can you fault them for being at least a little confused, if not angry?

If we need to hear out the legitimate grievances of Black people for whom the promise of America is imperfectly realized, it makes sense to lend a non-condescending ear to the legitimate grievances of White people for whom the promise of America is imperfectly realized. But at the same time, pretending it's 1952 with regards to race relations - how is that helping?

It may not be actual Democratic *leaders* (outside of the Squad) saying these things, but more likely the wider Democratic "blob" (basically Salon/HuffPost/other LW media, LW Twitter folks, and the such.

Republicans helped Dems a with 1/6, but not enough to still keep winning. Maybe the 1/6 rioters canceled out the long hot summer of 2020 and the damage they did Dems.

I had plenty of otherwise liberal, otherwise non-criminal friends on my FB feed excusing the post-Floyd riots. But it wasn't their homes and businesses getting smashed by the rioters - what turns out to have been regular criminals, far-right agitators, and far-left folks who'd been destroying stuff since 1999. Of course you had plenty of right-wingers who were quick to equalize suburban moms protesting police malfeasance with Chavistas and the KKK.

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BlueFredneck wrote:You'd think the myth that there's this hidden group of folks who'd only vote if someone sufficiently progressive enough ran would've been squashed in MD-Gov 2018. Or 2020, in which Republicans STILL gained seats in the House and held the Senate.

It's not just saying White people suck. It's also saying White people have always sucked and that there's nothing that can be done about it. Again, this may not be the precise message they're intending to send - but it gets received as such. Any disagreement? Oh, you're just having White Fragility. Examine your privilege some more.

You've got White Americans, who watched the Cosby Show in the 1980s, and elected Obama in the 2000s, being told their nation is irrevocably racist. Can you fault them for being at least a little confused, if not angry?

If we need to hear out the legitimate grievances of Black people for whom the promise of America is imperfectly realized, it makes sense to lend a non-condescending ear to the legitimate grievances of White people for whom the promise of America is imperfectly realized. But at the same time, pretending it's 1952 with regards to race relations - how is that helping?

It may not be actual Democratic *leaders* (outside of the Squad) saying these things, but more likely the wider Democratic "blob" (basically Salon/HuffPost/other LW media, LW Twitter folks, and the such.

Republicans helped Dems a with 1/6, but not enough to still keep winning. Maybe the 1/6 rioters canceled out the long hot summer of 2020 and the damage they did Dems.

I had plenty of otherwise liberal, otherwise non-criminal friends on my FB feed excusing the post-Floyd riots. But it wasn't their homes and businesses getting smashed by the rioters - what turns out to have been regular criminals, far-right agitators, and far-left folks who'd been destroying stuff since 1999. Of course you had plenty of right-wingers who were quick to equalize suburban moms protesting police malfeasance with Chavistas and the KKK.

White people wanted to believe that because a black President was elected, America was no longer a racist nation. The challenges still existed however... homeownership and red lining; student loan debt; lack of access to capital for entrepreneurs; high infant mortality rates - even for black women with high socioeconomic status, etc. The amount of racism that President Obama experienced and the increase in social media posts about white supremacy sky rocketed. There are certainly white people who have not realized the American dream. I encourage you to read the Sum of Us by Heather McGhee. White people deny themselves programs that they need b/c they are so afraid that black and latino people might benefit. There are many poor white people who need health insurance and yet they support politicians who won't expand medicaid. White people need child care subsidies and yet they won't support them. White people need the child tax credit, but won't support it. White people need broadband and yet republicans (in the House) didn't support the infrastructure bill. White republicans need to stop complaining and realize that great nations fail. We haven't invested in infrastructure - the republicans won't support it and yet they complain about the supply chain. What do you want?