FCPS Boundary Review - New Maps

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Anonymous wrote:I am going to be upset if they don't address transfers for MS AAP. Our base school is Rocky Run and also my kid is in AAP. Looking at the transfer data, it looks like a significant portion of those in AAP at Rocky Run transfer there from out of pyramid, then go off to Westfield or Centreville HS. Sounds brutal as far as friendships go for everyone, especially once they reach HS.

Every middle school should have AAP and Carson and Rocky Run should stop serving so many kids who live outside their base boundaries.

But if you pull the AAP placements out of Rocky Run, you're left with a very small school unless they also expand the base boundaries.

I”m confused what the AAP middle school thing solves. Let’s say the board says: Great idea! Let’s try again! No AAP centers in middle schools.

Won’t that just draw out the process and make it even MORE impactful for MORE kids and pyramids?

This idea doesn’t seem viable.

It is absolutely viable, and certainly more disruptive in some areas than what they've proposed so far.

But it's inconsistent to pretend that attendance islands and split feeders are so terrible because they don't create enough of a sense of community or send kids to multiple schools, and then maintain MS AAP centers where the kids can go on to 3 or more high schools.

So you are arguing the board should dismantle and disrupt even MORE kids lives to win a point?

“Be careful what you wish for”

It would actually be less disruptive. All ES kids would stay together instead of sending a small percentage to the AAP Center. I know their mommies want them to end up at TJ, but I always feel bad for Navy kids who get pulled away from their ES friends and then make new friends in MS, but don't go to high school with ANY of them.

No, I’m saying it would be more disruptive to the current boundary process, the current students attending middle schools and upper elementary. It would move around a lot more families than were presented in the last boundary maps because it would create capacity issues at some middle schools which would make them have to redraw even more boundaries.

I’m not anti the principle and opted for AAP at our local middle school, BUT at this point, would mean more changes for more people.

Sure feel bad for the Navy kids, but also know the parents chose that. I don’t know where they go to middle school, but the AAP center school would have a population hole if you took the center away and that would need to be filled by redrawing boundaries. It is the domino effect.

What are you talking about? The kids who come to Navy for AAP are from Crossfield. The Crossfield kids go to Carson which is where Navy AAP kids go if they want the center. Then a good chunk of Crossfield and all of Navy goes to Oakton for high school.

I think PP is talking about the kids whose base school is Navy. I think Franklin is their base middle school, but the AAP kids go to Carson. They could meet friends at Carson that go to Chantilly, Westfield, or South Lakes for HS.

Sidebar - is there a website that shows what % of each middle school goes to what high school? Split feeders like Carson and Franklin are so confusing.

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Anonymous wrote:I am going to be upset if they don't address transfers for MS AAP. Our base school is Rocky Run and also my kid is in AAP. Looking at the transfer data, it looks like a significant portion of those in AAP at Rocky Run transfer there from out of pyramid, then go off to Westfield or Centreville HS. Sounds brutal as far as friendships go for everyone, especially once they reach HS.

Every middle school should have AAP and Carson and Rocky Run should stop serving so many kids who live outside their base boundaries.

But if you pull the AAP placements out of Rocky Run, you're left with a very small school unless they also expand the base boundaries.

I”m confused what the AAP middle school thing solves. Let’s say the board says: Great idea! Let’s try again! No AAP centers in middle schools.

Won’t that just draw out the process and make it even MORE impactful for MORE kids and pyramids?

This idea doesn’t seem viable.

It is absolutely viable, and certainly more disruptive in some areas than what they've proposed so far.

But it's inconsistent to pretend that attendance islands and split feeders are so terrible because they don't create enough of a sense of community or send kids to multiple schools, and then maintain MS AAP centers where the kids can go on to 3 or more high schools.

So you are arguing the board should dismantle and disrupt even MORE kids lives to win a point?

“Be careful what you wish for”

It would actually be less disruptive. All ES kids would stay together instead of sending a small percentage to the AAP Center. I know their mommies want them to end up at TJ, but I always feel bad for Navy kids who get pulled away from their ES friends and then make new friends in MS, but don't go to high school with ANY of them.

No, I’m saying it would be more disruptive to the current boundary process, the current students attending middle schools and upper elementary. It would move around a lot more families than were presented in the last boundary maps because it would create capacity issues at some middle schools which would make them have to redraw even more boundaries.

I’m not anti the principle and opted for AAP at our local middle school, BUT at this point, would mean more changes for more people.

Sure feel bad for the Navy kids, but also know the parents chose that. I don’t know where they go to middle school, but the AAP center school would have a population hole if you took the center away and that would need to be filled by redrawing boundaries. It is the domino effect.

What are you talking about? The kids who come to Navy for AAP are from Crossfield. The Crossfield kids go to Carson which is where Navy AAP kids go if they want the center. Then a good chunk of Crossfield and all of Navy goes to Oakton for high school.

Edit to add that I know some Crossfield kids go to Hughes (I think) but stillplenty go Crossfield-Carson and then Oakton. Many AAP kids are with the same friends 3rd-12th.

Carson and Franklin would both have plenty of kids to justify AAP in their schools. But, I would go back to the "Honors" program because AAP is far from what GT used to be.

I still don't understand why there has to be regular, honors, AND AAP in middle school. Can't we just combine honors and AAP and let everyone go to their base school? My daughter did LLIV and it turns out more than half of her class if taking Honors classes instead of AAP.

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Anonymous wrote:I am going to be upset if they don't address transfers for MS AAP. Our base school is Rocky Run and also my kid is in AAP. Looking at the transfer data, it looks like a significant portion of those in AAP at Rocky Run transfer there from out of pyramid, then go off to Westfield or Centreville HS. Sounds brutal as far as friendships go for everyone, especially once they reach HS.

Every middle school should have AAP and Carson and Rocky Run should stop serving so many kids who live outside their base boundaries.

But if you pull the AAP placements out of Rocky Run, you're left with a very small school unless they also expand the base boundaries.

I”m confused what the AAP middle school thing solves. Let’s say the board says: Great idea! Let’s try again! No AAP centers in middle schools.

Won’t that just draw out the process and make it even MORE impactful for MORE kids and pyramids?

This idea doesn’t seem viable.

It is absolutely viable, and certainly more disruptive in some areas than what they've proposed so far.

But it's inconsistent to pretend that attendance islands and split feeders are so terrible because they don't create enough of a sense of community or send kids to multiple schools, and then maintain MS AAP centers where the kids can go on to 3 or more high schools.

So you are arguing the board should dismantle and disrupt even MORE kids lives to win a point?

“Be careful what you wish for”

It would actually be less disruptive. All ES kids would stay together instead of sending a small percentage to the AAP Center. I know their mommies want them to end up at TJ, but I always feel bad for Navy kids who get pulled away from their ES friends and then make new friends in MS, but don't go to high school with ANY of them.

No, I’m saying it would be more disruptive to the current boundary process, the current students attending middle schools and upper elementary. It would move around a lot more families than were presented in the last boundary maps because it would create capacity issues at some middle schools which would make them have to redraw even more boundaries.

I’m not anti the principle and opted for AAP at our local middle school, BUT at this point, would mean more changes for more people.

Sure feel bad for the Navy kids, but also know the parents chose that. I don’t know where they go to middle school, but the AAP center school would have a population hole if you took the center away and that would need to be filled by redrawing boundaries. It is the domino effect.

It would be the least disruptive way to rezone.

Elementary and high school students would not be touched, with a few exceptionsat a couple of elementary schools. The changes would all occur over 2 years at the middle school level, as each new 7th grade class enters.

It would be about as seamless as a rezoning could be.

The rezoning should only happen at the middle school level, with every current student grandfathered at their existing school, switching only when they ove between school levels.

Add a residency check in 7th and 9th, and you have the best possible outcome for county wide rezoning.

Prove it.

How many kids and families affected under the current plan moving attendance islands?

How many kids would be affected under this “least disruptive plan” that reroutes all AAP center middle school kids back to base schools and then accounts for redistricting from there.

You don’t know the numbers unless you are a school board member or Thru AND they have already run this scenario.

Harkening back to a PP- I am guessing your kid may be affected under the current plan and you don’t want that, so you take zero issue disrupting even more families to get what your family wants.

I’m happy to be proven wrong with numbers.

Well, it appears that middle school AAP centers encourage pupil placement in high schools. I find it difficult to believe that there are not enough AAP kids to justify classes at every middle school. Quit separating them out.
DD's high school friends who went to AAP (she did not) were very disappointed to not get into TJ--almost depressed. And, she surpassed them at many levels in high school--to include National Merit scores, department awards, AP Scholar, NCTE award, etc.

Ok, but the consequence of not allowing these transfers (both at middle and high school level) will lead to MORE boundary changes.
TBH I am not a fan of AAP centers in middle, BUT I can also see that getting rid of them at this point will just lead to MORE boundary changes which this far into the process will lead to MORE uncertainty for MORE families.

Are you all not able to separate those things out?

So because you believe we have passed the point of no return, this issue should be off the table? Dude, its 2025. There's no reason to bus kids to AAP centers when they can have the same programming at their base school. In an era where there are budget concerns, this should be one of the top priorities to save money.

Franklin to Carson is a great example. Both schools could easily support AAP. Just look at how many transfer from Franklin to Carson.

DP AND Franklin is under enrolled because of this so there is definitely capacity.

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Anonymous wrote:I am going to be upset if they don't address transfers for MS AAP. Our base school is Rocky Run and also my kid is in AAP. Looking at the transfer data, it looks like a significant portion of those in AAP at Rocky Run transfer there from out of pyramid, then go off to Westfield or Centreville HS. Sounds brutal as far as friendships go for everyone, especially once they reach HS.

Every middle school should have AAP and Carson and Rocky Run should stop serving so many kids who live outside their base boundaries.

But if you pull the AAP placements out of Rocky Run, you're left with a very small school unless they also expand the base boundaries.

I”m confused what the AAP middle school thing solves. Let’s say the board says: Great idea! Let’s try again! No AAP centers in middle schools.

Won’t that just draw out the process and make it even MORE impactful for MORE kids and pyramids?

This idea doesn’t seem viable.

It is absolutely viable, and certainly more disruptive in some areas than what they've proposed so far.

But it's inconsistent to pretend that attendance islands and split feeders are so terrible because they don't create enough of a sense of community or send kids to multiple schools, and then maintain MS AAP centers where the kids can go on to 3 or more high schools.

So you are arguing the board should dismantle and disrupt even MORE kids lives to win a point?

“Be careful what you wish for”

It would actually be less disruptive. All ES kids would stay together instead of sending a small percentage to the AAP Center. I know their mommies want them to end up at TJ, but I always feel bad for Navy kids who get pulled away from their ES friends and then make new friends in MS, but don't go to high school with ANY of them.

No, I’m saying it would be more disruptive to the current boundary process, the current students attending middle schools and upper elementary. It would move around a lot more families than were presented in the last boundary maps because it would create capacity issues at some middle schools which would make them have to redraw even more boundaries.

I’m not anti the principle and opted for AAP at our local middle school, BUT at this point, would mean more changes for more people.

Sure feel bad for the Navy kids, but also know the parents chose that. I don’t know where they go to middle school, but the AAP center school would have a population hole if you took the center away and that would need to be filled by redrawing boundaries. It is the domino effect.

It would be the least disruptive way to rezone.

Elementary and high school students would not be touched, with a few exceptionsat a couple of elementary schools. The changes would all occur over 2 years at the middle school level, as each new 7th grade class enters.

It would be about as seamless as a rezoning could be.

The rezoning should only happen at the middle school level, with every current student grandfathered at their existing school, switching only when they ove between school levels.

Add a residency check in 7th and 9th, and you have the best possible outcome for county wide rezoning.

Prove it.

How many kids and families affected under the current plan moving attendance islands?

How many kids would be affected under this “least disruptive plan” that reroutes all AAP center middle school kids back to base schools and then accounts for redistricting from there.

You don’t know the numbers unless you are a school board member or Thru AND they have already run this scenario.

Harkening back to a PP- I am guessing your kid may be affected under the current plan and you don’t want that, so you take zero issue disrupting even more families to get what your family wants.

I’m happy to be proven wrong with numbers.

Well, it appears that middle school AAP centers encourage pupil placement in high schools. I find it difficult to believe that there are not enough AAP kids to justify classes at every middle school. Quit separating them out.
DD's high school friends who went to AAP (she did not) were very disappointed to not get into TJ--almost depressed. And, she surpassed them at many levels in high school--to include National Merit scores, department awards, AP Scholar, NCTE award, etc.

Ok, but the consequence of not allowing these transfers (both at middle and high school level) will lead to MORE boundary changes.
TBH I am not a fan of AAP centers in middle, BUT I can also see that getting rid of them at this point will just lead to MORE boundary changes which this far into the process will lead to MORE uncertainty for MORE families.

Are you all not able to separate those things out?

I’m sorry, why do you think it would lead to more boundary changes to get rid of AAP centers?

It would really just impact Franklin which sends 300 AAP kids between Rocky Run and Carson. They’d have to sort out new boundaries between Rocky Run and Franklin, which isn’t hugely disruptive because they’re already Chantilly feeders.

Carson is a larger MS, so they wouldn’t be taking full advantage of its capacity, but if it’s primarily feeding KAA that may not be a bad thing.

Thoreau and Kilmer would have to undo some of its boundary recommendations. They had plans of sending a lot of Kilmer to Thoreau, but Thoreau’s excess capacity would shrink if their AAP kids returned from Kilmer and Jackson.

Regardless, I think it’s too late in the process to pivot. Doesn’t AAP need specific staffing?

All of these changes you describe are far less disruptive and impact far fewer families than the changes already proposed by Thru.

As a bonus, the changes could be implemented with each rising 7th grade class as they move from elementary to middle school, leaving current high school students untouched from their current school path, with the only affect being a new feeder pattern which would begin in 7th grade when they are already transitioning to new schools. Current 7th grade - 11th grade could stay on their current path. Current K-5th graders could stay at their neighborhood elementary, switching pyramids in 7th grade, unless they get a capacity rezoning like Coates needs.

This would be the least disruptive and most seamless way to institute a district wide rezoning.

Again. Show me some numbers to back up your claim.
You seem to think moving hundreds of kids out of an AAP center school will be fine and if the school has empyt classrooms, that is fine.

You also seem to think all AAP kids can be moved back to their base schools with out any overcrowding.

Show me the numbers that a majority of middle schools will not have to redo boundaries.

I think we found the mom here who doesn't want her middle schooler at their base middle school. There's no other reason she would be arguing so much. Name the schools, momma.

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Anonymous wrote:https://go.boarddocs.com/vsba/fairfax/Board.nsf/Public

More details and documents posted for Tuesday's Western High School working session. Based on a quick scan it looks like they're pushing for some kind of hybrid Aviation/Aerospace Magnet and Community School. Timeline goal to open in 2026 with 9th and 10th graders, adding a grade each of the following years.

Oh god, this is such a stupid idea.

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Anonymous wrote:https://go.boarddocs.com/vsba/fairfax/Board.nsf/Public

More details and documents posted for Tuesday's Western High School working session. Based on a quick scan it looks like they're pushing for some kind of hybrid Aviation/Aerospace Magnet and Community School. Timeline goal to open in 2026 with 9th and 10th graders, adding a grade each of the following years.

Oh god, this is such a stupid idea.

Opening in 2026 with just 9th and 10th grade

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Anonymous wrote:https://go.boarddocs.com/vsba/fairfax/Board.nsf/Public

More details and documents posted for Tuesday's Western High School working session. Based on a quick scan it looks like they're pushing for some kind of hybrid Aviation/Aerospace Magnet and Community School. Timeline goal to open in 2026 with 9th and 10th graders, adding a grade each of the following years.

Oh god, this is such a stupid idea.

All this means is that families from schools like Fox Mill and Crossfield, who live close to KAA are not going to end up zoned there because the school board decided rich people need an aerospace academy. Let's face it, THAT is their target. Rich families.

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Anonymous wrote:https://go.boarddocs.com/vsba/fairfax/Board.nsf/Public

More details and documents posted for Tuesday's Western High School working session. Based on a quick scan it looks like they're pushing for some kind of hybrid Aviation/Aerospace Magnet and Community School. Timeline goal to open in 2026 with 9th and 10th graders, adding a grade each of the following years.

Oh god, this is such a stupid idea.

Opening in 2026 with just 9th and 10th grade

I'm FINE with that, it means juniors and seniors stay grandfathered into their high schools. That's a great idea, but the aerospace and aviation academy is STUPID. Kids can study those things in college, they don't need it in high school.

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Anonymous wrote:https://go.boarddocs.com/vsba/fairfax/Board.nsf/Public

More details and documents posted for Tuesday's Western High School working session. Based on a quick scan it looks like they're pushing for some kind of hybrid Aviation/Aerospace Magnet and Community School. Timeline goal to open in 2026 with 9th and 10th graders, adding a grade each of the following years.

They will get huge pushback if they try and turn what is supposed to be a needed neighborhood high school into a specialty school.

I don’t see anything in the materials about what they think the capacity of the school would be, with or without a specialty program.

Is it possible they are thinking the aviation program would be housed in one or both of the two additional buildings? That way the main building would be the traditional school.

In any event, the people near Carson who insisted repeatedly that FCPS would never consider anything at the site other than a traditional high school serving their neighborhoods now have a lot of egg on their faces.

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Anonymous wrote:https://go.boarddocs.com/vsba/fairfax/Board.nsf/Public

More details and documents posted for Tuesday's Western High School working session. Based on a quick scan it looks like they're pushing for some kind of hybrid Aviation/Aerospace Magnet and Community School. Timeline goal to open in 2026 with 9th and 10th graders, adding a grade each of the following years.

Oh god, this is such a stupid idea.

All this means is that families from schools like Fox Mill and Crossfield, who live close to KAA are not going to end up zoned there because the school board decided rich people need an aerospace academy. Let's face it, THAT is their target. Rich families.

The site is very close to Dulles Airport. Who’s to say their targets for the aviation program aren’t middle and lower-income kids at schools all over the county, rather than “rich kids”?

It’s the rich families at Fox Mill and Crossfield who’ll complain the most if they think an aviation program increases the odds they won’t get moved to the new school.

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Here is a link to the documents for people who may not know where to find them: https://go.boarddocs.com/vsba/fairfax/Board.nsf/Public

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That didn't work out, here is the direct link: https://go.boarddocs.com/vsba/fairfax/Board.nsf/goto?open&id=DKGK3K4FEA8B

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Anonymous wrote:https://go.boarddocs.com/vsba/fairfax/Board.nsf/Public

More details and documents posted for Tuesday's Western High School working session. Based on a quick scan it looks like they're pushing for some kind of hybrid Aviation/Aerospace Magnet and Community School. Timeline goal to open in 2026 with 9th and 10th graders, adding a grade each of the following years.

Sorry but that is BS

The Avistion school is something that fraudster Kyle McDaniel has been pushing since he was elected to the school board using his own aviation company that he is being investigated for fraud and theft over.

There is no effing way that FCPS should be creating an Aerospace magnet school with the new high school. People need to make their voices heard over this one

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Anonymous wrote:https://go.boarddocs.com/vsba/fairfax/Board.nsf/Public

More details and documents posted for Tuesday's Western High School working session. Based on a quick scan it looks like they're pushing for some kind of hybrid Aviation/Aerospace Magnet and Community School. Timeline goal to open in 2026 with 9th and 10th graders, adding a grade each of the following years.

Oh god, this is such a stupid idea.

All this means is that families from schools like Fox Mill and Crossfield, who live close to KAA are not going to end up zoned there because the school board decided rich people need an aerospace academy. Let's face it, THAT is their target. Rich families.

Kyle McDaniel has been trying to create this aviation program using his own aviation company.

This stinks to high heaven.

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FCPS can barely afford to pay their regular teachers. There is no way they could come up with the expertise to teach the things in that document as an academy. Maybe over many years of iteration and accumulation of talent. It would destroy the operating budget to try to create an academy like this.
They'll have to open as a regular high school on that basis alone. And they'll have to bring in a significant number of students from the base are of the western end of the county, or else there will be no money saved on a Centerville expansion