Options for opposing Connecticut Avenue changes?

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Anonymous wrote:What I've learned here after 63 pages is that the anti bike crowd thinks that their voice is so important that it supercedes their local ANCs, and that complaining on an anonymous message born is the more meaningful type of activism

Incidentally, this is how the NRA controls our gun laws. They swarm meetings with legislators that most people had no idea were even happening. They then claim what they want is widely supported because no one spoke against it at the meeting that, again, was only attended by their people. By the time, regular folks learn what is happening, it's too late....

This is also a time honored way legislators pass legislation. They announce plans at the last minute and then pass it before the opposition has a chance to organize. If you air a proposal out, you're just increasing the chances it will be killed.

This has been in discussion for more than 2 years, hardly a last minute vote.

And the public discussion has been almost entirely focused on adding lower income housing NOT removing two lanes of traffic. Which once again seems completely at odds with the goal of adding more housing.

In fact, most of the criticism of the housing plan was focused on the inability of the existing road, school, and emergency services infrastructure to handle increased density. Now it turns out that not only is housing density going to be increased but existing infrastructure is going to be decreased as well.

Wrong, the discussion around specifically re-thinking CT Ave started pre-COVID. The mayor used COVID to ditch the reversible lanes and the ongoing engagement in the meantime helped provide guidance which resulted in the Option C the city is pursuing.

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Anonymous wrote:What I've learned here after 63 pages is that the anti bike crowd thinks that their voice is so important that it supercedes their local ANCs, and that complaining on an anonymous message born is the more meaningful type of activism

Incidentally, this is how the NRA controls our gun laws. They swarm meetings with legislators that most people had no idea were even happening. They then claim what they want is widely supported because no one spoke against it at the meeting that, again, was only attended by their people. By the time, regular folks learn what is happening, it's too late....

This is also a time honored way legislators pass legislation. They announce plans at the last minute and then pass it before the opposition has a chance to organize. If you air a proposal out, you're just increasing the chances it will be killed.

Good thing that's not what happened here, as been explained over and over again on this thread.

What seems clear from this thread is that a lot of people feel ambushed.

How you feel is not relevant to what actually happened. This is like the people who "feel" like the election was stolen.

Uh, huh. Empathy, not to mention logic, is not your strong suit.

Well, there has been an endless stream of ANC and DDOT meetings on this so I guess paying attention is not yours

How many meetings are appropriate is obviously in the eye of the beholder. But what seems like plenty to a bored 30-year old with no kids and not really any real responsibilities in life will look very different to -- well, just about everyone else (as this thread indicates).

Hilarious how people who claim they can't spare a few minutes to show up to a discussion during a virtual ANC meeting or DDOT consultation manage to find hours to whine on here.

The ageism is very tired, especially when it spouted by those advocating against measures that are being put in place to undo damage to public safety and the environment made by the older generations.

People aren't complaining they didnt have time for the meetings. They're complaining they didnt know about the meetings in the first place.

It's hard to understand how these bike lanes could possibly improve public safety or the environment. They're just going to push traffic into areas that weren't designed for it, and force people to sit in their cars longer.

But but but there was a flyer on the bulletin board at the library and a notice on the individual anc websites.

heh

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Anonymous wrote:What I've learned here after 63 pages is that the anti bike crowd thinks that their voice is so important that it supercedes their local ANCs, and that complaining on an anonymous message born is the more meaningful type of activism

Incidentally, this is how the NRA controls our gun laws. They swarm meetings with legislators that most people had no idea were even happening. They then claim what they want is widely supported because no one spoke against it at the meeting that, again, was only attended by their people. By the time, regular folks learn what is happening, it's too late....

This is also a time honored way legislators pass legislation. They announce plans at the last minute and then pass it before the opposition has a chance to organize. If you air a proposal out, you're just increasing the chances it will be killed.

Good thing that's not what happened here, as been explained over and over again on this thread.

What seems clear from this thread is that a lot of people feel ambushed.

How you feel is not relevant to what actually happened. This is like the people who "feel" like the election was stolen.

Uh, huh. Empathy, not to mention logic, is not your strong suit.

Well, there has been an endless stream of ANC and DDOT meetings on this so I guess paying attention is not yours

How many meetings are appropriate is obviously in the eye of the beholder. But what seems like plenty to a bored 30-year old with no kids and not really any real responsibilities in life will look very different to -- well, just about everyone else (as this thread indicates).

Hilarious how people who claim they can't spare a few minutes to show up to a discussion during a virtual ANC meeting or DDOT consultation manage to find hours to whine on here.

The ageism is very tired, especially when it spouted by those advocating against measures that are being put in place to undo damage to public safety and the environment made by the older generations.

People aren't complaining they didnt have time for the meetings. They're complaining they didnt know about the meetings in the first place.

It's hard to understand how these bike lanes could possibly improve public safety or the environment. They're just going to push traffic into areas that weren't designed for it, and force people to sit in their cars longer.

The meetings were publicly noticed like all other meetings: through the Councilmember's newsletters, from the Mayor's emails, from the ANC's, from DDOT, and on social media as well as the Cleveland Park and Chevy Chase email groups.

Other than a golden, engraved inviitation, I am not sure what else you expect.

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Anonymous wrote:What I've learned here after 63 pages is that the anti bike crowd thinks that their voice is so important that it supercedes their local ANCs, and that complaining on an anonymous message born is the more meaningful type of activism

Incidentally, this is how the NRA controls our gun laws. They swarm meetings with legislators that most people had no idea were even happening. They then claim what they want is widely supported because no one spoke against it at the meeting that, again, was only attended by their people. By the time, regular folks learn what is happening, it's too late....

This is also a time honored way legislators pass legislation. They announce plans at the last minute and then pass it before the opposition has a chance to organize. If you air a proposal out, you're just increasing the chances it will be killed.

Good thing that's not what happened here, as been explained over and over again on this thread.

What seems clear from this thread is that a lot of people feel ambushed.

How you feel is not relevant to what actually happened. This is like the people who "feel" like the election was stolen.

Uh, huh. Empathy, not to mention logic, is not your strong suit.

Well, there has been an endless stream of ANC and DDOT meetings on this so I guess paying attention is not yours

How many meetings are appropriate is obviously in the eye of the beholder. But what seems like plenty to a bored 30-year old with no kids and not really any real responsibilities in life will look very different to -- well, just about everyone else (as this thread indicates).

Hilarious how people who claim they can't spare a few minutes to show up to a discussion during a virtual ANC meeting or DDOT consultation manage to find hours to whine on here.

The ageism is very tired, especially when it spouted by those advocating against measures that are being put in place to undo damage to public safety and the environment made by the older generations.

People aren't complaining they didnt have time for the meetings. They're complaining they didnt know about the meetings in the first place.

It's hard to understand how these bike lanes could possibly improve public safety or the environment. They're just going to push traffic into areas that weren't designed for it, and force people to sit in their cars longer.

Public safety: by putting different users into their own spaces and by reducing the width of the car-based areas of Conn Ave for pedestrians who want to cross
Envrionment: making pedestrian and cycling mobility safer and more viable, there will be a net reduction in car trips, thus less pollution.

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Anonymous wrote:What I've learned here after 63 pages is that the anti bike crowd thinks that their voice is so important that it supercedes their local ANCs, and that complaining on an anonymous message born is the more meaningful type of activism

Incidentally, this is how the NRA controls our gun laws. They swarm meetings with legislators that most people had no idea were even happening. They then claim what they want is widely supported because no one spoke against it at the meeting that, again, was only attended by their people. By the time, regular folks learn what is happening, it's too late....

This is also a time honored way legislators pass legislation. They announce plans at the last minute and then pass it before the opposition has a chance to organize. If you air a proposal out, you're just increasing the chances it will be killed.

Good thing that's not what happened here, as been explained over and over again on this thread.

What seems clear from this thread is that a lot of people feel ambushed.

How you feel is not relevant to what actually happened. This is like the people who "feel" like the election was stolen.

Uh, huh. Empathy, not to mention logic, is not your strong suit.

Well, there has been an endless stream of ANC and DDOT meetings on this so I guess paying attention is not yours

How many meetings are appropriate is obviously in the eye of the beholder. But what seems like plenty to a bored 30-year old with no kids and not really any real responsibilities in life will look very different to -- well, just about everyone else (as this thread indicates).

Hilarious how people who claim they can't spare a few minutes to show up to a discussion during a virtual ANC meeting or DDOT consultation manage to find hours to whine on here.

The ageism is very tired, especially when it spouted by those advocating against measures that are being put in place to undo damage to public safety and the environment made by the older generations.

Stop the bullshit. There is no benefit to safety in this plan. Instead it creates safety problems on the side streets. Similarly there is no environmental benefit. Traffic does not disappear.

I wonder why parents might have more time during the day than early evening. I can't quite put my finger on it but there might be some glaringly obvious reason that there's more time for parents at 2pm than 7pm.

I would like you to back this up with facts. Because the presented facts do not support your contention.

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Anonymous wrote:What I've learned here after 63 pages is that the anti bike crowd thinks that their voice is so important that it supercedes their local ANCs, and that complaining on an anonymous message born is the more meaningful type of activism

Incidentally, this is how the NRA controls our gun laws. They swarm meetings with legislators that most people had no idea were even happening. They then claim what they want is widely supported because no one spoke against it at the meeting that, again, was only attended by their people. By the time, regular folks learn what is happening, it's too late....

Someone one CP listserve was suggesting that the city should direct mail all people in the area about the project, multiple times. Because snail mail, printouts, and non-electrionic communication is such a good thing for getting out a message and use of public funds and good for environment, right???


This is also a time honored way legislators pass legislation. They announce plans at the last minute and then pass it before the opposition has a chance to organize. If you air a proposal out, you're just increasing the chances it will be killed.

Good thing that's not what happened here, as been explained over and over again on this thread.

What seems clear from this thread is that a lot of people feel ambushed.

How you feel is not relevant to what actually happened. This is like the people who "feel" like the election was stolen.

Uh, huh. Empathy, not to mention logic, is not your strong suit.

Well, there has been an endless stream of ANC and DDOT meetings on this so I guess paying attention is not yours

How many meetings are appropriate is obviously in the eye of the beholder. But what seems like plenty to a bored 30-year old with no kids and not really any real responsibilities in life will look very different to -- well, just about everyone else (as this thread indicates).

Hilarious how people who claim they can't spare a few minutes to show up to a discussion during a virtual ANC meeting or DDOT consultation manage to find hours to whine on here.

The ageism is very tired, especially when it spouted by those advocating against measures that are being put in place to undo damage to public safety and the environment made by the older generations.

People aren't complaining they didnt have time for the meetings. They're complaining they didnt know about the meetings in the first place.

It's hard to understand how these bike lanes could possibly improve public safety or the environment. They're just going to push traffic into areas that weren't designed for it, and force people to sit in their cars longer.

The meetings were publicly noticed like all other meetings: through the Councilmember's newsletters, from the Mayor's emails, from the ANC's, from DDOT, and on social media as well as the Cleveland Park and Chevy Chase email groups.

Other than a golden, engraved inviitation, I am not sure what else you expect.

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Anonymous wrote:What I've learned here after 63 pages is that the anti bike crowd thinks that their voice is so important that it supercedes their local ANCs, and that complaining on an anonymous message born is the more meaningful type of activism

Incidentally, this is how the NRA controls our gun laws. They swarm meetings with legislators that most people had no idea were even happening. They then claim what they want is widely supported because no one spoke against it at the meeting that, again, was only attended by their people. By the time, regular folks learn what is happening, it's too late....

This is also a time honored way legislators pass legislation. They announce plans at the last minute and then pass it before the opposition has a chance to organize. If you air a proposal out, you're just increasing the chances it will be killed.

Good thing that's not what happened here, as been explained over and over again on this thread.

What seems clear from this thread is that a lot of people feel ambushed.

How you feel is not relevant to what actually happened. This is like the people who "feel" like the election was stolen.

Uh, huh. Empathy, not to mention logic, is not your strong suit.

Well, there has been an endless stream of ANC and DDOT meetings on this so I guess paying attention is not yours

How many meetings are appropriate is obviously in the eye of the beholder. But what seems like plenty to a bored 30-year old with no kids and not really any real responsibilities in life will look very different to -- well, just about everyone else (as this thread indicates).

Hilarious how people who claim they can't spare a few minutes to show up to a discussion during a virtual ANC meeting or DDOT consultation manage to find hours to whine on here.

The ageism is very tired, especially when it spouted by those advocating against measures that are being put in place to undo damage to public safety and the environment made by the older generations.

Stop the bullshit. There is no benefit to safety in this plan. Instead it creates safety problems on the side streets. Similarly there is no environmental benefit. Traffic does not disappear.

I wonder why parents might have more time during the day than early evening. I can't quite put my finger on it but there might be some glaringly obvious reason that there's more time for parents at 2pm than 7pm.

I would like you to back this up with facts. Because the presented facts do not support your contention.

What presented facts? The only claim you have is that drivers will become bicyclists. A fantasy that anyone with the slightest bit of integrity or intelligence knows is wildly exaggerated to be extremely generous.

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Anonymous wrote:What I've learned here after 63 pages is that the anti bike crowd thinks that their voice is so important that it supercedes their local ANCs, and that complaining on an anonymous message born is the more meaningful type of activism

Incidentally, this is how the NRA controls our gun laws. They swarm meetings with legislators that most people had no idea were even happening. They then claim what they want is widely supported because no one spoke against it at the meeting that, again, was only attended by their people. By the time, regular folks learn what is happening, it's too late....

This is also a time honored way legislators pass legislation. They announce plans at the last minute and then pass it before the opposition has a chance to organize. If you air a proposal out, you're just increasing the chances it will be killed.

Good thing that's not what happened here, as been explained over and over again on this thread.

What seems clear from this thread is that a lot of people feel ambushed.

How you feel is not relevant to what actually happened. This is like the people who "feel" like the election was stolen.

Uh, huh. Empathy, not to mention logic, is not your strong suit.

Well, there has been an endless stream of ANC and DDOT meetings on this so I guess paying attention is not yours

How many meetings are appropriate is obviously in the eye of the beholder. But what seems like plenty to a bored 30-year old with no kids and not really any real responsibilities in life will look very different to -- well, just about everyone else (as this thread indicates).

Hilarious how people who claim they can't spare a few minutes to show up to a discussion during a virtual ANC meeting or DDOT consultation manage to find hours to whine on here.

The ageism is very tired, especially when it spouted by those advocating against measures that are being put in place to undo damage to public safety and the environment made by the older generations.

Stop the bullshit. There is no benefit to safety in this plan. Instead it creates safety problems on the side streets. Similarly there is no environmental benefit. Traffic does not disappear.

I wonder why parents might have more time during the day than early evening. I can't quite put my finger on it but there might be some glaringly obvious reason that there's more time for parents at 2pm than 7pm.

I would like you to back this up with facts. Because the presented facts do not support your contention.

What presented facts? The only claim you have is that drivers will become bicyclists. A fantasy that anyone with the slightest bit of integrity or intelligence knows is wildly exaggerated to be extremely generous.

The claim is based on precedent when other bike infrastructure is implemented in DC as well as other comparable cities. Your assertion is based on....feelings.

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Anonymous wrote:What I've learned here after 63 pages is that the anti bike crowd thinks that their voice is so important that it supercedes their local ANCs, and that complaining on an anonymous message born is the more meaningful type of activism

Incidentally, this is how the NRA controls our gun laws. They swarm meetings with legislators that most people had no idea were even happening. They then claim what they want is widely supported because no one spoke against it at the meeting that, again, was only attended by their people. By the time, regular folks learn what is happening, it's too late....

This is also a time honored way legislators pass legislation. They announce plans at the last minute and then pass it before the opposition has a chance to organize. If you air a proposal out, you're just increasing the chances it will be killed.

Good thing that's not what happened here, as been explained over and over again on this thread.

What seems clear from this thread is that a lot of people feel ambushed.

How you feel is not relevant to what actually happened. This is like the people who "feel" like the election was stolen.

Uh, huh. Empathy, not to mention logic, is not your strong suit.

Well, there has been an endless stream of ANC and DDOT meetings on this so I guess paying attention is not yours

How many meetings are appropriate is obviously in the eye of the beholder. But what seems like plenty to a bored 30-year old with no kids and not really any real responsibilities in life will look very different to -- well, just about everyone else (as this thread indicates).

Hilarious how people who claim they can't spare a few minutes to show up to a discussion during a virtual ANC meeting or DDOT consultation manage to find hours to whine on here.

The ageism is very tired, especially when it spouted by those advocating against measures that are being put in place to undo damage to public safety and the environment made by the older generations.

Stop the bullshit. There is no benefit to safety in this plan. Instead it creates safety problems on the side streets. Similarly there is no environmental benefit. Traffic does not disappear.

I wonder why parents might have more time during the day than early evening. I can't quite put my finger on it but there might be some glaringly obvious reason that there's more time for parents at 2pm than 7pm.

+1. ANC 3C had a Traffic Committee meeting on Wednesday night: at the same time as the Hearst elementary Back To School Night. This city is so hostile to families. Of course no one on the ANC has kids so they would not have known that. There are multiple families on our block who are making plans to leave in the spring. There was always a social contract to living here. Families would make the best with mediocre schools in exchange for a reasonable level of public safety and a manageable commute. That contract has been broken.

[Anonymous]

Guess what, the people who are leaving will make money on their home sales. The people coming in will be even wealthier.

My heart bleeds.

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Anonymous wrote:What I've learned here after 63 pages is that the anti bike crowd thinks that their voice is so important that it supercedes their local ANCs, and that complaining on an anonymous message born is the more meaningful type of activism

Incidentally, this is how the NRA controls our gun laws. They swarm meetings with legislators that most people had no idea were even happening. They then claim what they want is widely supported because no one spoke against it at the meeting that, again, was only attended by their people. By the time, regular folks learn what is happening, it's too late....

This is also a time honored way legislators pass legislation. They announce plans at the last minute and then pass it before the opposition has a chance to organize. If you air a proposal out, you're just increasing the chances it will be killed.

Good thing that's not what happened here, as been explained over and over again on this thread.

What seems clear from this thread is that a lot of people feel ambushed.

How you feel is not relevant to what actually happened. This is like the people who "feel" like the election was stolen.

Uh, huh. Empathy, not to mention logic, is not your strong suit.

Well, there has been an endless stream of ANC and DDOT meetings on this so I guess paying attention is not yours

How many meetings are appropriate is obviously in the eye of the beholder. But what seems like plenty to a bored 30-year old with no kids and not really any real responsibilities in life will look very different to -- well, just about everyone else (as this thread indicates).

Hilarious how people who claim they can't spare a few minutes to show up to a discussion during a virtual ANC meeting or DDOT consultation manage to find hours to whine on here.

The ageism is very tired, especially when it spouted by those advocating against measures that are being put in place to undo damage to public safety and the environment made by the older generations.

People aren't complaining they didnt have time for the meetings. They're complaining they didnt know about the meetings in the first place.

It's hard to understand how these bike lanes could possibly improve public safety or the environment. They're just going to push traffic into areas that weren't designed for it, and force people to sit in their cars longer.

The meetings were publicly noticed like all other meetings: through the Councilmember's newsletters, from the Mayor's emails, from the ANC's, from DDOT, and on social media as well as the Cleveland Park and Chevy Chase email groups.

Other than a golden, engraved inviitation, I am not sure what else you expect.

That's exactly what they expect. They are, after all, single-family homeowners who have lived in DC for *decades*. They are vey important and apparently city would collapse into some kind of void without the generous tax payments that they personally make.

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amsterdam wasn't always amsterdam

Advocates are not asking for Conn Ave to be turned into a long plaza, but really, these transformations have been taking place away from cars for decades

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Anonymous wrote:What I've learned here after 63 pages is that the anti bike crowd thinks that their voice is so important that it supercedes their local ANCs, and that complaining on an anonymous message born is the more meaningful type of activism

Incidentally, this is how the NRA controls our gun laws. They swarm meetings with legislators that most people had no idea were even happening. They then claim what they want is widely supported because no one spoke against it at the meeting that, again, was only attended by their people. By the time, regular folks learn what is happening, it's too late....

This is also a time honored way legislators pass legislation. They announce plans at the last minute and then pass it before the opposition has a chance to organize. If you air a proposal out, you're just increasing the chances it will be killed.

Good thing that's not what happened here, as been explained over and over again on this thread.

What seems clear from this thread is that a lot of people feel ambushed.

How you feel is not relevant to what actually happened. This is like the people who "feel" like the election was stolen.

Uh, huh. Empathy, not to mention logic, is not your strong suit.

Well, there has been an endless stream of ANC and DDOT meetings on this so I guess paying attention is not yours

How many meetings are appropriate is obviously in the eye of the beholder. But what seems like plenty to a bored 30-year old with no kids and not really any real responsibilities in life will look very different to -- well, just about everyone else (as this thread indicates).

Hilarious how people who claim they can't spare a few minutes to show up to a discussion during a virtual ANC meeting or DDOT consultation manage to find hours to whine on here.

The ageism is very tired, especially when it spouted by those advocating against measures that are being put in place to undo damage to public safety and the environment made by the older generations.

Stop the bullshit. There is no benefit to safety in this plan. Instead it creates safety problems on the side streets. Similarly there is no environmental benefit. Traffic does not disappear.

I wonder why parents might have more time during the day than early evening. I can't quite put my finger on it but there might be some glaringly obvious reason that there's more time for parents at 2pm than 7pm.

+1. ANC 3C had a Traffic Committee meeting on Wednesday night: at the same time as the Hearst elementary Back To School Night. This city is so hostile to families. Of course no one on the ANC has kids so they would not have known that. There are multiple families on our block who are making plans to leave in the spring. There was always a social contract to living here. Families would make the best with mediocre schools in exchange for a reasonable level of public safety and a manageable commute. That contract has been broken.

I think I missed something. Could you please explain why you believe the convenience of your commute (via a mode that creates negative externalities for everyone else) should trump the safety of other road users? Do you know how incredibly selfish you sound wanting to hog every inch of public space for your car and others like it?

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Anonymous wrote:What I've learned here after 63 pages is that the anti bike crowd thinks that their voice is so important that it supercedes their local ANCs, and that complaining on an anonymous message born is the more meaningful type of activism

Incidentally, this is how the NRA controls our gun laws. They swarm meetings with legislators that most people had no idea were even happening. They then claim what they want is widely supported because no one spoke against it at the meeting that, again, was only attended by their people. By the time, regular folks learn what is happening, it's too late....

This is also a time honored way legislators pass legislation. They announce plans at the last minute and then pass it before the opposition has a chance to organize. If you air a proposal out, you're just increasing the chances it will be killed.

Good thing that's not what happened here, as been explained over and over again on this thread.

What seems clear from this thread is that a lot of people feel ambushed.

How you feel is not relevant to what actually happened. This is like the people who "feel" like the election was stolen.

Uh, huh. Empathy, not to mention logic, is not your strong suit.

Well, there has been an endless stream of ANC and DDOT meetings on this so I guess paying attention is not yours

How many meetings are appropriate is obviously in the eye of the beholder. But what seems like plenty to a bored 30-year old with no kids and not really any real responsibilities in life will look very different to -- well, just about everyone else (as this thread indicates).

Hilarious how people who claim they can't spare a few minutes to show up to a discussion during a virtual ANC meeting or DDOT consultation manage to find hours to whine on here.

The ageism is very tired, especially when it spouted by those advocating against measures that are being put in place to undo damage to public safety and the environment made by the older generations.

Stop the bullshit. There is no benefit to safety in this plan. Instead it creates safety problems on the side streets. Similarly there is no environmental benefit. Traffic does not disappear.

I wonder why parents might have more time during the day than early evening. I can't quite put my finger on it but there might be some glaringly obvious reason that there's more time for parents at 2pm than 7pm.

+1. ANC 3C had a Traffic Committee meeting on Wednesday night: at the same time as the Hearst elementary Back To School Night. This city is so hostile to families. Of course no one on the ANC has kids so they would not have known that. There are multiple families on our block who are making plans to leave in the spring. There was always a social contract to living here. Families would make the best with mediocre schools in exchange for a reasonable level of public safety and a manageable commute. That contract has been broken.

There’s so much to unpack in this. Social contract? Mediocre schools? Nobody is begging you to stay in a W3 renovated school

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Anonymous wrote:What I've learned here after 63 pages is that the anti bike crowd thinks that their voice is so important that it supercedes their local ANCs, and that complaining on an anonymous message born is the more meaningful type of activism

Incidentally, this is how the NRA controls our gun laws. They swarm meetings with legislators that most people had no idea were even happening. They then claim what they want is widely supported because no one spoke against it at the meeting that, again, was only attended by their people. By the time, regular folks learn what is happening, it's too late....

This is also a time honored way legislators pass legislation. They announce plans at the last minute and then pass it before the opposition has a chance to organize. If you air a proposal out, you're just increasing the chances it will be killed.

Good thing that's not what happened here, as been explained over and over again on this thread.

What seems clear from this thread is that a lot of people feel ambushed.

How you feel is not relevant to what actually happened. This is like the people who "feel" like the election was stolen.

Uh, huh. Empathy, not to mention logic, is not your strong suit.

Well, there has been an endless stream of ANC and DDOT meetings on this so I guess paying attention is not yours

How many meetings are appropriate is obviously in the eye of the beholder. But what seems like plenty to a bored 30-year old with no kids and not really any real responsibilities in life will look very different to -- well, just about everyone else (as this thread indicates).

Hilarious how people who claim they can't spare a few minutes to show up to a discussion during a virtual ANC meeting or DDOT consultation manage to find hours to whine on here.

The ageism is very tired, especially when it spouted by those advocating against measures that are being put in place to undo damage to public safety and the environment made by the older generations.

Stop the bullshit. There is no benefit to safety in this plan. Instead it creates safety problems on the side streets. Similarly there is no environmental benefit. Traffic does not disappear.

I wonder why parents might have more time during the day than early evening. I can't quite put my finger on it but there might be some glaringly obvious reason that there's more time for parents at 2pm than 7pm.

+1. ANC 3C had a Traffic Committee meeting on Wednesday night: at the same time as the Hearst elementary Back To School Night. This city is so hostile to families. Of course no one on the ANC has kids so they would not have known that. There are multiple families on our block who are making plans to leave in the spring. There was always a social contract to living here. Families would make the best with mediocre schools in exchange for a reasonable level of public safety and a manageable commute. That contract has been broken.

I think I missed something. Could you please explain why you believe the convenience of your commute (via a mode that creates negative externalities for everyone else) should trump the safety of other road users? Do you know how incredibly selfish you sound wanting to hog every inch of public space for your car and others like it?

It doesn't but there are no safety gains to your plan. So ask yourself, why does a hobby that benefits a few dozen take precedence over a necessity that impacts tens of thousands
Do you know how incredibly selfish you sound?