Options for opposing Connecticut Avenue changes?

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Anonymous wrote:Ward 3 residents can vote for Dave Krucoff.

Yes, because we all support people who are anti-choice individuals who decided to join the post- 1/6 GOP.

I guess birds of a feather.

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Anonymous wrote:I live near CT Avenue and am thrilled with the addition of the bike lanes. I think it will be a great transformation of the Avenue and will make it more vibrant.

I continue to be floored by the consistent complaint by people saying "these businesses all will fail because I can't park in front of it". Sounds like you should go move to Gaithersburg or Potomac. Do you forget that you actually live in a city?? There is loads of public transportation, taxis, Uber.... If you can't bike or walk there will be plenty of options for you to get there. That is part of living in a vibrant city. And, may I remind you that many parts of the city have vibrant commercial areas that are patronized by people who do not drive there. Dupont Circle, Georgetown, H Street Corridor. People either drive, park several blocks away after searching for parking or they use another mode of transportation to get there. And its all just fine. Those businesses are fine. So please, your miniscule business will be replaced by much, much more business. This is going to be a great commercial improvement for these businesses.

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Same here. I live along CT Avenue and am pro-bike lanes. One reason I don't bike to work is that there's no way around biking down CT and I don't feel safe because there's no dedicated bike lane. I think more people would bike if it were safer. And I think pedestrians would be better off if there was a bike lane, so bikes weren't on the sidewalks, which are often narrow, so it's a win-win. And you already can't park along the street during rush hour, and people already figure out where else to park when they visit CT businesses on the weekends. Lots of people use public transportation in this area or to visit this area. It's really not the end of the world.

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Anonymous wrote:If the ANCs actually cared about homeowners they would have had 50 meetings on rising crime in their districts and how the mayor is stacking apartments with homeless and mentally ill. The fact that so much time has been devoted to bicycles is completely dystopian.

Uh, they have had these meetings. Nice self-own.

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Anonymous wrote:Come on, we all know that the original poster is a liar. Everyone in the neighborhood has know about this for nearly 2 year. If they haven't that means they just moved here last week.

Not true. I've been asking my neighbors, we all lived her for over 20 years. No one knew about it. We used to get newsletters from our ANC rep, but those stopped a while back.

+1 We live on the corridor and just learned of it last week. My neighbors on either side had not heard of it either.

On my block, we knew. You are not paying attention and that is on you. If you want a voice, you need to tune in to your community.

Suffice it to say, they are out of touch in more ways than one.

You managed to completely ignore this issue - one that apparently affects you greatly - until now and they are the ones who are out of touch? Have some dignity, please.

Even your precious bike lanes were framed as adding something without any mention of the idiocy or removing two lanes of traffic on the most heavily traveled north south route in the city. Which is so conceptually stupid as to be unbelievable.

Speaking of out of touch. That is how most of us on the block refer to our ANC who is just another retired boomer obsessed with speed bumps. We left then alone to do their don quixote thing. They have never mentioned the closing two lanes of connecticut thing. They have mentioned the housing thing. The jokes on us though. We thought the local crank couldn't cause any harm on the ANC. Turns out they can and did.

Georgia Avenue has more vehicular traffic.

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Anonymous wrote:What I've learned here after 63 pages is that the anti bike crowd thinks that their voice is so important that it supercedes their local ANCs, and that complaining on an anonymous message born is the more meaningful type of activism

Incidentally, this is how the NRA controls our gun laws. They swarm meetings with legislators that most people had no idea were even happening. They then claim what they want is widely supported because no one spoke against it at the meeting that, again, was only attended by their people. By the time, regular folks learn what is happening, it's too late....

This is also a time honored way legislators pass legislation. They announce plans at the last minute and then pass it before the opposition has a chance to organize. If you air a proposal out, you're just increasing the chances it will be killed.

This has been in discussion for more than 2 years, hardly a last minute vote.

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The tax revenue from a SFH is far, far, far less from a multi-unit property, much less a dense building composed of mixed retail and residential.

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Anonymous wrote:So the city's policy is to build as much housing as possible, to accommodate more people, but reduce the capacity of roads to handle their cars?

Can we do the opposite?

Make people's lives better by making it easier to get around, and discourage more people from moving here?

You should visit Houston sometime. Massive roads down there. Lots of low density housing. You should love it.

you know dc is one of the most densely populated cities in the western hemisphere, right?

The point was that the poster seems to want DC to be a very different city. The city they seem to want is probably best represented by Houston, which builds massive freeways just for the hell of it. I moved to DC because I like density and I like being able to get around without driving everywhere. Other people like that about DC too.

"the city they seem to want."

sweetie, i'm the pp and ive been in dc longer than you've been alive. I know you just moved here from shitty town, indiana and you have all the answers and know all about life in the big city, but maybe you should keep quiet and let the adults talk.

The "adults" are the ones who brought us the car-dependent auto-centric neighborhoods. It has proven to be a disaster in terms of land use, ecology and environmental sustainability, much less transportation policy. As such, you might want to sit this one out and let the rest of us implement something that works for the broader society and not the single family homeowners who take up more space with their inefecient use of land and public space with their inefficient auto-centric built environment.

NP. Except the adults in the room who own single family homes in the District make more money, pay more in taxes and essentially keep this city going. You realize that without ys your city goes to sh*t, right?

How utterly pathetic can you get? Just because you own a SFH doesn't make you any better - or give your voice any more importance - than those who don't. Those drunk homeless people you complain about have the same vote you do. You are not better than them or anyone else. I'm embarrassed to share a city with you. It's folk that you that give us - Ward 3 homeowners - a bad name.

Actually i was a NP and never mentioned homeless but hey, newsflash, homeless people don’t vote.

Says who? Says you? They are entitled to vote. They are entitled to participate in ANC meetings. They are entitled to an opinion. And, in not laboring under the ridiculous assumption that owning a home gives them some priveleged position in society, are doing a hell of a lot better than you are.

Actually i don’t feel more important or privileged at all and despite your idiotic conclusions have tremendous empathy for those with less. I was pointing out 2 obvious ( or rather what should be obvious points) 1- if you drive out high earning tax paying residents DC goes to sh*t like it was in the 80’s and 90’s and (2) homeless people without an ID or proof of residence are not “entitled” to vote nor is it my experience that they attend ANC meetings. Grow up and work on your critical reasoning skills.

Nice backpedaling, clown. Claiming that your voice is more important because you own your home is a sad, sad move. And thinking that a majority of your fellow home owners agree with your positions is foolish. I'd love to be at the meeting where you stand up, voice your opinion and then claim that it carries extra weight because you, uh, own your home. Please give us a heads up so we can be there to witness.

Actually you’re the clown. I haven’t stated my position in this forum on the bike lane and if you bothered to read my original post you’d see that i was replying to a specific idiotic Millennial who suggested that all of her problems would be solved if SFH owners in DC just moved out since we apparently take up too much space. I responded to this immature poster by pointing out that without our tax base the city would once again go to sh*t. No backpedaling here. I stand by that. And as all millennials do, she assumed I was an earlier poster referring to the homeless population and couldn’t help give s knee-jerk emotional reaction. I wasn’t that poster but also felt the need to respond to her immature conclusions about that as well. The only clowns I know of in this forum are those with immature, idiotic and knee-jerk reactions about a bike path. As if the city doesn’t have bigger problems. So yea, grow up, learn to read and critically think through issues.

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Anonymous wrote:Come on, we all know that the original poster is a liar. Everyone in the neighborhood has know about this for nearly 2 year. If they haven't that means they just moved here last week.

Not true. I've been asking my neighbors, we all lived her for over 20 years. No one knew about it. We used to get newsletters from our ANC rep, but those stopped a while back.

+1 We live on the corridor and just learned of it last week. My neighbors on either side had not heard of it either.

On my block, we knew. You are not paying attention and that is on you. If you want a voice, you need to tune in to your community.

Suffice it to say, they are out of touch in more ways than one.

You managed to completely ignore this issue - one that apparently affects you greatly - until now and they are the ones who are out of touch? Have some dignity, please.

Even your precious bike lanes were framed as adding something without any mention of the idiocy or removing two lanes of traffic on the most heavily traveled north south route in the city. Which is so conceptually stupid as to be unbelievable.

Speaking of out of touch. That is how most of us on the block refer to our ANC who is just another retired boomer obsessed with speed bumps. We left then alone to do their don quixote thing. They have never mentioned the closing two lanes of connecticut thing. They have mentioned the housing thing. The jokes on us though. We thought the local crank couldn't cause any harm on the ANC. Turns out they can and did.

Georgia Avenue has more vehicular traffic.

No it doesnt. But they are about the same.

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Anonymous wrote:These lanes all sound great on paper. But here’s the thing, in order for them to not be a total nightmare it will require the city to provide traffic enforcement all day, every weekday to prevent trucks and cars from double parking? Does anyone think that will actually happen? Of course not. If you go out to CT Ave right NOW you will find at least five delivery trucks, postal trucks, contractors and rude people with their blinking lights on. Has DDOT committed resources to mitigate this?

If you've been here long enough, you learn that D.C. has highly ornate traffic laws which the city loves to rewrite every time there is an accident.

But D.C. doesn't enforce sh*t and everyone knows it, so drivers can just ignore whatever the law happens to say today and no one is going to do anything about it.

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Anonymous wrote:What I've learned here after 63 pages is that the anti bike crowd thinks that their voice is so important that it supercedes their local ANCs, and that complaining on an anonymous message born is the more meaningful type of activism

Incidentally, this is how the NRA controls our gun laws. They swarm meetings with legislators that most people had no idea were even happening. They then claim what they want is widely supported because no one spoke against it at the meeting that, again, was only attended by their people. By the time, regular folks learn what is happening, it's too late....

This is also a time honored way legislators pass legislation. They announce plans at the last minute and then pass it before the opposition has a chance to organize. If you air a proposal out, you're just increasing the chances it will be killed.

This has been in discussion for more than 2 years, hardly a last minute vote.

And the public discussion has been almost entirely focused on adding lower income housing NOT removing two lanes of traffic. Which once again seems completely at odds with the goal of adding more housing.

In fact, most of the criticism of the housing plan was focused on the inability of the existing road, school, and emergency services infrastructure to handle increased density. Now it turns out that not only is housing density going to be increased but existing infrastructure is going to be decreased as well.

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Anonymous wrote:What I've learned here after 63 pages is that the anti bike crowd thinks that their voice is so important that it supercedes their local ANCs, and that complaining on an anonymous message born is the more meaningful type of activism

Incidentally, this is how the NRA controls our gun laws. They swarm meetings with legislators that most people had no idea were even happening. They then claim what they want is widely supported because no one spoke against it at the meeting that, again, was only attended by their people. By the time, regular folks learn what is happening, it's too late....

This is also a time honored way legislators pass legislation. They announce plans at the last minute and then pass it before the opposition has a chance to organize. If you air a proposal out, you're just increasing the chances it will be killed.

Good thing that's not what happened here, as been explained over and over again on this thread.

What seems clear from this thread is that a lot of people feel ambushed.

How you feel is not relevant to what actually happened. This is like the people who "feel" like the election was stolen.

Uh, huh. Empathy, not to mention logic, is not your strong suit.

Well, there has been an endless stream of ANC and DDOT meetings on this so I guess paying attention is not yours

How many meetings are appropriate is obviously in the eye of the beholder. But what seems like plenty to a bored 30-year old with no kids and not really any real responsibilities in life will look very different to -- well, just about everyone else (as this thread indicates).

Hilarious how people who claim they can't spare a few minutes to show up to a discussion during a virtual ANC meeting or DDOT consultation manage to find hours to whine on here.

The ageism is very tired, especially when it spouted by those advocating against measures that are being put in place to undo damage to public safety and the environment made by the older generations.

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Anonymous wrote:What I've learned here after 63 pages is that the anti bike crowd thinks that their voice is so important that it supercedes their local ANCs, and that complaining on an anonymous message born is the more meaningful type of activism

Incidentally, this is how the NRA controls our gun laws. They swarm meetings with legislators that most people had no idea were even happening. They then claim what they want is widely supported because no one spoke against it at the meeting that, again, was only attended by their people. By the time, regular folks learn what is happening, it's too late....

This is also a time honored way legislators pass legislation. They announce plans at the last minute and then pass it before the opposition has a chance to organize. If you air a proposal out, you're just increasing the chances it will be killed.

Good thing that's not what happened here, as been explained over and over again on this thread.

What seems clear from this thread is that a lot of people feel ambushed.

How you feel is not relevant to what actually happened. This is like the people who "feel" like the election was stolen.

Uh, huh. Empathy, not to mention logic, is not your strong suit.

Well, there has been an endless stream of ANC and DDOT meetings on this so I guess paying attention is not yours

How many meetings are appropriate is obviously in the eye of the beholder. But what seems like plenty to a bored 30-year old with no kids and not really any real responsibilities in life will look very different to -- well, just about everyone else (as this thread indicates).

Hilarious how people who claim they can't spare a few minutes to show up to a discussion during a virtual ANC meeting or DDOT consultation manage to find hours to whine on here.

The ageism is very tired, especially when it spouted by those advocating against measures that are being put in place to undo damage to public safety and the environment made by the older generations.

People aren't complaining they didnt have time for the meetings. They're complaining they didnt know about the meetings in the first place.

It's hard to understand how these bike lanes could possibly improve public safety or the environment. They're just going to push traffic into areas that weren't designed for it, and force people to sit in their cars longer.

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Anonymous wrote:What I've learned here after 63 pages is that the anti bike crowd thinks that their voice is so important that it supercedes their local ANCs, and that complaining on an anonymous message born is the more meaningful type of activism

Incidentally, this is how the NRA controls our gun laws. They swarm meetings with legislators that most people had no idea were even happening. They then claim what they want is widely supported because no one spoke against it at the meeting that, again, was only attended by their people. By the time, regular folks learn what is happening, it's too late....

This is also a time honored way legislators pass legislation. They announce plans at the last minute and then pass it before the opposition has a chance to organize. If you air a proposal out, you're just increasing the chances it will be killed.

Good thing that's not what happened here, as been explained over and over again on this thread.

What seems clear from this thread is that a lot of people feel ambushed.

How you feel is not relevant to what actually happened. This is like the people who "feel" like the election was stolen.

Uh, huh. Empathy, not to mention logic, is not your strong suit.

Well, there has been an endless stream of ANC and DDOT meetings on this so I guess paying attention is not yours

How many meetings are appropriate is obviously in the eye of the beholder. But what seems like plenty to a bored 30-year old with no kids and not really any real responsibilities in life will look very different to -- well, just about everyone else (as this thread indicates).

Hilarious how people who claim they can't spare a few minutes to show up to a discussion during a virtual ANC meeting or DDOT consultation manage to find hours to whine on here.

The ageism is very tired, especially when it spouted by those advocating against measures that are being put in place to undo damage to public safety and the environment made by the older generations.

Stop the bullshit. There is no benefit to safety in this plan. Instead it creates safety problems on the side streets. Similarly there is no environmental benefit. Traffic does not disappear.

I wonder why parents might have more time during the day than early evening. I can't quite put my finger on it but there might be some glaringly obvious reason that there's more time for parents at 2pm than 7pm.

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Anonymous wrote:What I've learned here after 63 pages is that the anti bike crowd thinks that their voice is so important that it supercedes their local ANCs, and that complaining on an anonymous message born is the more meaningful type of activism

Incidentally, this is how the NRA controls our gun laws. They swarm meetings with legislators that most people had no idea were even happening. They then claim what they want is widely supported because no one spoke against it at the meeting that, again, was only attended by their people. By the time, regular folks learn what is happening, it's too late....

This is also a time honored way legislators pass legislation. They announce plans at the last minute and then pass it before the opposition has a chance to organize. If you air a proposal out, you're just increasing the chances it will be killed.

Good thing that's not what happened here, as been explained over and over again on this thread.

What seems clear from this thread is that a lot of people feel ambushed.

How you feel is not relevant to what actually happened. This is like the people who "feel" like the election was stolen.

Uh, huh. Empathy, not to mention logic, is not your strong suit.

Well, there has been an endless stream of ANC and DDOT meetings on this so I guess paying attention is not yours

How many meetings are appropriate is obviously in the eye of the beholder. But what seems like plenty to a bored 30-year old with no kids and not really any real responsibilities in life will look very different to -- well, just about everyone else (as this thread indicates).

Hilarious how people who claim they can't spare a few minutes to show up to a discussion during a virtual ANC meeting or DDOT consultation manage to find hours to whine on here.

The ageism is very tired, especially when it spouted by those advocating against measures that are being put in place to undo damage to public safety and the environment made by the older generations.

People aren't complaining they didnt have time for the meetings. They're complaining they didnt know about the meetings in the first place.

It's hard to understand how these bike lanes could possibly improve public safety or the environment. They're just going to push traffic into areas that weren't designed for it, and force people to sit in their cars longer.

But but but there was a flyer on the bulletin board at the library and a notice on the individual anc websites.

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Anonymous wrote:What I've learned here after 63 pages is that the anti bike crowd thinks that their voice is so important that it supercedes their local ANCs, and that complaining on an anonymous message born is the more meaningful type of activism

Incidentally, this is how the NRA controls our gun laws. They swarm meetings with legislators that most people had no idea were even happening. They then claim what they want is widely supported because no one spoke against it at the meeting that, again, was only attended by their people. By the time, regular folks learn what is happening, it's too late....

This is also a time honored way legislators pass legislation. They announce plans at the last minute and then pass it before the opposition has a chance to organize. If you air a proposal out, you're just increasing the chances it will be killed.

Good thing that's not what happened here, as been explained over and over again on this thread.

What seems clear from this thread is that a lot of people feel ambushed.

How you feel is not relevant to what actually happened. This is like the people who "feel" like the election was stolen.

Uh, huh. Empathy, not to mention logic, is not your strong suit.

Well, there has been an endless stream of ANC and DDOT meetings on this so I guess paying attention is not yours

How many meetings are appropriate is obviously in the eye of the beholder. But what seems like plenty to a bored 30-year old with no kids and not really any real responsibilities in life will look very different to -- well, just about everyone else (as this thread indicates).

Hilarious how people who claim they can't spare a few minutes to show up to a discussion during a virtual ANC meeting or DDOT consultation manage to find hours to whine on here.

The ageism is very tired, especially when it spouted by those advocating against measures that are being put in place to undo damage to public safety and the environment made by the older generations.

People aren't complaining they didnt have time for the meetings. They're complaining they didnt know about the meetings in the first place.

It's hard to understand how these bike lanes could possibly improve public safety or the environment. They're just going to push traffic into areas that weren't designed for it, and force people to sit in their cars longer.

Also hilarious how these "single family homeowners" claim to be such pillars of the community whose voices should carry great weight yet are so disengaged from the community that they have no idea what is going on.

I've attended plenty of ANC meetings. I've seen young and old people there and seen ANC commissioners, many of whom lead successful professional lives, with their kids on their lap during the Zoom call. Let them be an inspiration to you. If they can do it, so can you.

What they - and other reasonable people don't do - is to push incredible theories that have no evidentiary basis. They also seem to appreciate that interminably repeating false statements does not make them true.

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Anonymous wrote:What I've learned here after 63 pages is that the anti bike crowd thinks that their voice is so important that it supercedes their local ANCs, and that complaining on an anonymous message born is the more meaningful type of activism

Incidentally, this is how the NRA controls our gun laws. They swarm meetings with legislators that most people had no idea were even happening. They then claim what they want is widely supported because no one spoke against it at the meeting that, again, was only attended by their people. By the time, regular folks learn what is happening, it's too late....

This is also a time honored way legislators pass legislation. They announce plans at the last minute and then pass it before the opposition has a chance to organize. If you air a proposal out, you're just increasing the chances it will be killed.

Good thing that's not what happened here, as been explained over and over again on this thread.

What seems clear from this thread is that a lot of people feel ambushed.

How you feel is not relevant to what actually happened. This is like the people who "feel" like the election was stolen.

Uh, huh. Empathy, not to mention logic, is not your strong suit.

Well, there has been an endless stream of ANC and DDOT meetings on this so I guess paying attention is not yours

How many meetings are appropriate is obviously in the eye of the beholder. But what seems like plenty to a bored 30-year old with no kids and not really any real responsibilities in life will look very different to -- well, just about everyone else (as this thread indicates).

Hilarious how people who claim they can't spare a few minutes to show up to a discussion during a virtual ANC meeting or DDOT consultation manage to find hours to whine on here.

The ageism is very tired, especially when it spouted by those advocating against measures that are being put in place to undo damage to public safety and the environment made by the older generations.

Stop the bullshit. There is no benefit to safety in this plan. Instead it creates safety problems on the side streets. Similarly there is no environmental benefit. Traffic does not disappear.

You're back to this again? Really? Tell it as you think it is, crank.