Thanks Racine and Allen!

[Anonymous]

This is a great idea! https://www.npr.org/2021/06/30/1011411101/teens-can-get-swept-into-adult-prisons-d-c-s-attorney-general-wants-to-change-th

Especially since crime has shot up over 40% in dc since the pandemic started, cops recently said they will stop chasing cars, the youth rehab act passed, and the other bill releasing juvenile violent offenders passed. It’s almost like these slap on the wrist policies for teen offenders are contributing to the massive spike in crime.

Then I just saw this too:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.fox5dc.com/news/7-juveniles-in-custody-after-carjacking-crash-in-dc-police.amp

I hate fox and Trump and all those fks, but why are liberals so into woke self flagellation under the guise of equity? Can we just not identify with criminals?

[Anonymous]

High-speed police chases in cities are dangerous, for reasons that should be immediately obvious to anyone.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:High-speed police chases in cities are dangerous, for reasons that should be immediately obvious to anyone.

Yeah, you really seized on the meat of the topic. I’m sure you don’t live in dc. Enjoy not understanding the city at all, or it’s policies on crime, from Leesburg or wherever the fk you live.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:High-speed police chases in cities are dangerous, for reasons that should be immediately obvious to anyone.

Yeah, you really seized on the meat of the topic. I’m sure you don’t live in dc. Enjoy not understanding the city at all, or it’s policies on crime, from Leesburg or wherever the fk you live.

Are you the OP, whose complaints included that "cops recently said they will stop chasing cars"?

[Anonymous]

The car crimes and the gun violence need to be addressed. DC went all petty crime friendly, but car crime (theft, jacking etc) and gun violence (three people shot yesterday) must be addressed. Instead car crime is called "property crime" and gun charges are routinely pled down. And yes, if you are convicted Allen's life mission is you are quickly released with zero rehab.

[Anonymous]

I disagree with you OP. I think treating juvenile offenders as adults in DC has led to a sense of nihilism among a lot of young people in DC. They sense (correctly) that the city does not care about them or what happens to them, so they embrace criminal activity because they don't see the point in following rules that are designed to protect everyone BUT them and their communities.

Many juvenile criminal offenders in DC have spent their entire lives in a city that sends them to substandard schools, neglects their neighborhoods, and focuses all the city's economic growth on wealthy, mostly white, college graduates. And then they wind up in adult prisons because of drug and gang activity they engage in as teenagers. It really is a school to prison pipeline and we are treating these kids as though they never had a shot at a different kind of life. Keeping them out of adult jails and prison populations is a small but important step to interrupting that pipeline.

Do you really think punishing juvenile offenders more severely is going to have a deterrent effect for young people in this city growing up with poor educational and career options? All it does is expose them to more violent, adult prison populations at a younger age. That doesn't help.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I disagree with you OP. I think treating juvenile offenders as adults in DC has led to a sense of nihilism among a lot of young people in DC. They sense (correctly) that the city does not care about them or what happens to them, so they embrace criminal activity because they don't see the point in following rules that are designed to protect everyone BUT them and their communities.

Many juvenile criminal offenders in DC have spent their entire lives in a city that sends them to substandard schools, neglects their neighborhoods, and focuses all the city's economic growth on wealthy, mostly white, college graduates. And then they wind up in adult prisons because of drug and gang activity they engage in as teenagers. It really is a school to prison pipeline and we are treating these kids as though they never had a shot at a different kind of life. Keeping them out of adult jails and prison populations is a small but important step to interrupting that pipeline.

Do you really think punishing juvenile offenders more severely is going to have a deterrent effect for young people in this city growing up with poor educational and career options? All it does is expose them to more violent, adult prison populations at a younger age. That doesn't help.

I've lived for 25 years in the neighborhoods where the juvenile offenders take root. I've observed something different. First, many of these kids are born to teenagers and single parents, often with substance abuse and mental issues of their own. From birth they are either ignored, or yelled at by their mothers. You seem them being yanked around the supermarket, screamed at, and then told to "Shut Up". The neglect comes not from the city and its "poor" schools, but from their own parents. By the time they are 5-6 years old, they are intellectually stunted, angry, and antisocial. Most attempts to rehabilitate them after they reach adolescence are pretty much a lost cause. So no - giving juvenile offenders a m 3rd and 4th chance doesn't do anyone any good. If they've gone so far as to commit violent crimes, they should be locked up for a good long time.

[Anonymous]

Sending people to prison doesn't need to be about rehabilitation or even deterrence. It can be simply about isolating dangerous people from society so they can't hurt people anymore.

I gotta laugh when I see PoPville shying away from covering the Jeremy Black homicide on 14th a couple days ago. Not too many years ago, Dan Silverman was all over the Matthew Schlonsky murder (AU grad killed in crossfire , which is similar to Black's murder). Now, there's pretty much silence that a 53 year old father of two and Peace Corps staffer is dead after having dinner in Logan Circle. Speaks volumes. Crime is going up, and heads are being buried in the sand.

DC is going in the wrong direction. If you refuse to see it, you can't correct it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I disagree with you OP. I think treating juvenile offenders as adults in DC has led to a sense of nihilism among a lot of young people in DC. They sense (correctly) that the city does not care about them or what happens to them, so they embrace criminal activity because they don't see the point in following rules that are designed to protect everyone BUT them and their communities.

Many juvenile criminal offenders in DC have spent their entire lives in a city that sends them to substandard schools, neglects their neighborhoods, and focuses all the city's economic growth on wealthy, mostly white, college graduates. And then they wind up in adult prisons because of drug and gang activity they engage in as teenagers. It really is a school to prison pipeline and we are treating these kids as though they never had a shot at a different kind of life. Keeping them out of adult jails and prison populations is a small but important step to interrupting that pipeline.

Do you really think punishing juvenile offenders more severely is going to have a deterrent effect for young people in this city growing up with poor educational and career options? All it does is expose them to more violent, adult prison populations at a younger age. That doesn't help.

Juvenile offenders thoughts do not run so deep as to “sense that the city does not care about them”. The whole genesis of Racine’s proposal is that kids’ brains are not fully developed, so they certainly aren’t thinking as deeply as you suggest. What they sense is that there are few consequences for criminal behavior in DC so they take their teenage years as a crime freebie. Being committed to DYRS is a bit of street cred for many kids because they know that commitment doesn’t mean you will be locked away, you’ll generally still be at home with no supervision and running the streets.

Feel free to do a search of the kids between 16-17 in DC who have been charged as adults with murder, and then realize that under this proposal those kids would have been looking at a commitment to DYRS (which does not necessarily mean they will be detained) until a max of age 21. Here are some examples: the murderer of Neil Godleski in 2010, sniper Lee Malvo, one of the people charged with killing 10 year old Makiyah Wilson, and Maurice Bellamy who was convicted of murdering 2 people at age 17.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

I hate fox and Trump and all those fks, but why are liberals so into woke self flagellation under the guise of equity? Can we just not identify with criminals?

If you keep saying things like this, you’ll be ostracized from your own crowd.

There is no place in progressive culture for people who say things like that.

So maybe you need to do some introspection.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Sending people to prison doesn't need to be about rehabilitation or even deterrence. It can be simply about isolating dangerous people from society so they can't hurt people anymore.

I gotta laugh when I see PoPville shying away from covering the Jeremy Black homicide on 14th a couple days ago. Not too many years ago, Dan Silverman was all over the Matthew Schlonsky murder (AU grad killed in crossfire , which is similar to Black's murder). Now, there's pretty much silence that a 53 year old father of two and Peace Corps staffer is dead after having dinner in Logan Circle. Speaks volumes. Crime is going up, and heads are being buried in the sand.

DC is going in the wrong direction. If you refuse to see it, you can't correct it.

He cut off the (mostly racist) comments that accompanied his lazily reported crime posts, so he clearly isn't making as much money off them as he used to. Remember that Dan cares about one thing and one thing only: clicks.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
Juvenile offenders thoughts do not run so deep as to “sense that the city does not care about them”. The whole genesis of Racine’s proposal is that kids’ brains are not fully developed, so they certainly aren’t thinking as deeply as you suggest. What they sense is that there are few consequences for criminal behavior in DC so they take their teenage years as a crime freebie. Being committed to DYRS is a bit of street cred for many kids because they know that commitment doesn’t mean you will be locked away, you’ll generally still be at home with no supervision and running the streets.

Feel free to do a search of the kids between 16-17 in DC who have been charged as adults with murder, and then realize that under this proposal those kids would have been looking at a commitment to DYRS (which does not necessarily mean they will be detained) until a max of age 21. Here are some examples: the murderer of Neil Godleski in 2010, sniper Lee Malvo, one of the people charged with killing 10 year old Makiyah Wilson, and Maurice Bellamy who was convicted of murdering 2 people at age 17.

I disagree - I think people have a pretty good sense about when the city (or whichever) government doesn't care about them, whether or not they can articulate it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Juvenile offenders thoughts do not run so deep as to “sense that the city does not care about them”. The whole genesis of Racine’s proposal is that kids’ brains are not fully developed, so they certainly aren’t thinking as deeply as you suggest. What they sense is that there are few consequences for criminal behavior in DC so they take their teenage years as a crime freebie. Being committed to DYRS is a bit of street cred for many kids because they know that commitment doesn’t mean you will be locked away, you’ll generally still be at home with no supervision and running the streets.

Feel free to do a search of the kids between 16-17 in DC who have been charged as adults with murder, and then realize that under this proposal those kids would have been looking at a commitment to DYRS (which does not necessarily mean they will be detained) until a max of age 21. Here are some examples: the murderer of Neil Godleski in 2010, sniper Lee Malvo, one of the people charged with killing 10 year old Makiyah Wilson, and Maurice Bellamy who was convicted of murdering 2 people at age 17.

I disagree - I think people have a pretty good sense about when the city (or whichever) government doesn't care about them, whether or not they can articulate it.

It doesn't help that the Post and other left-leaning elite narrative makers constantly tell them that a) they can never get ahead because of racism, b) they are poor because of racism, and c) money and bling is the source of happiness.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Juvenile offenders thoughts do not run so deep as to “sense that the city does not care about them”. The whole genesis of Racine’s proposal is that kids’ brains are not fully developed, so they certainly aren’t thinking as deeply as you suggest. What they sense is that there are few consequences for criminal behavior in DC so they take their teenage years as a crime freebie. Being committed to DYRS is a bit of street cred for many kids because they know that commitment doesn’t mean you will be locked away, you’ll generally still be at home with no supervision and running the streets.

Feel free to do a search of the kids between 16-17 in DC who have been charged as adults with murder, and then realize that under this proposal those kids would have been looking at a commitment to DYRS (which does not necessarily mean they will be detained) until a max of age 21. Here are some examples: the murderer of Neil Godleski in 2010, sniper Lee Malvo, one of the people charged with killing 10 year old Makiyah Wilson, and Maurice Bellamy who was convicted of murdering 2 people at age 17.

I disagree - I think people have a pretty good sense about when the city (or whichever) government doesn't care about them, whether or not they can articulate it.

It doesn't help that the Post and other left-leaning elite narrative makers constantly tell them that a) they can never get ahead because of racism, b) they are poor because of racism, and c) money and bling is the source of happiness.

Juvenile offenders read the Washington Post? Who knew?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Juvenile offenders thoughts do not run so deep as to “sense that the city does not care about them”. The whole genesis of Racine’s proposal is that kids’ brains are not fully developed, so they certainly aren’t thinking as deeply as you suggest. What they sense is that there are few consequences for criminal behavior in DC so they take their teenage years as a crime freebie. Being committed to DYRS is a bit of street cred for many kids because they know that commitment doesn’t mean you will be locked away, you’ll generally still be at home with no supervision and running the streets.

Feel free to do a search of the kids between 16-17 in DC who have been charged as adults with murder, and then realize that under this proposal those kids would have been looking at a commitment to DYRS (which does not necessarily mean they will be detained) until a max of age 21. Here are some examples: the murderer of Neil Godleski in 2010, sniper Lee Malvo, one of the people charged with killing 10 year old Makiyah Wilson, and Maurice Bellamy who was convicted of murdering 2 people at age 17.

I disagree - I think people have a pretty good sense about when the city (or whichever) government doesn't care about them, whether or not they can articulate it.

It doesn't help that the Post and other left-leaning elite narrative makers constantly tell them that a) they can never get ahead because of racism, b) they are poor because of racism, and c) money and bling is the source of happiness.

Juvenile offenders read the Washington Post? Who knew?

not PP, but aside from your snide Post reading comment, do you not think the lives of juvenile offenders are shaped in any way by narrative makers - who quote obviously influence voter and policy decisions by anyone who does read the papers.