Shutdown Rhetoric

[Anonymous]

PP here: if the dems thought they had such overwhelming national support for what they want on immigration they would have no need to try to leverage a government shut down to get it. The left is delusional. Have you already forgotten that this is one of the issues that elected Trump?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The actions in the House yesterday by the Left was sad. Twice they requested that the words of Congressman get pulled back only to later rescind the request. They are sore losers who use parliamentary procedures to disrupt instead of running on ideas. The Democratic party will be a non factor for years or perhaps decades to come.

Trump and McConnell don’t even have 50 votes. McConnell refuses to put clean DACA and CHIP bills to a floor vote. McConnell forced through the tax bill using reconciliation without CBO scoring and committee hearings. Few even had the chance to even read the bill. This has nothing to do with “parliamentary procedures” by Democrats. But keep blathering your nonsense about the “left” and their “disruption.”

Where are you getting your information? Voting on Friday was along party lines 55-44. Rs clearly have 59 votes.

Count again. Rs don't.

[Anonymous]

Funding for a wall isn't going to do much to mitigate the effects of giving amnesty to millions of adults brought here as children who will then be able to sponsor the parents who brought them here and their siblings who can then sponsor their parents and siblings (and siblings' children) and their other children. Why do you think there's such a extreme wait to immigrate to the US from Mexico for so many people?

You can read just a single person's story in this article https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/06/23/millions-of-immigrants-waiting-for-green-cards/2450461/ and it will explain why there are still backlogs to this day.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:WHo does Schumer represent? New York, or Mexico?

New York, whose residents by an overwhelming 80% support DACA. That only slightly overperforms the 75% of the rest of the country who also support DACA.

The people arguing against this are in the deep minority opinion on this issue.

If that were true, Obama could have gotten actual legislation passed reforming immigration rather than try to do it by executive fiat. He had a pen and a phone but now Trump has it. What 75% of the country supports is immigration reform. Not necessarily the lefts version. You idiots on the left don't even have a majority in the Senate for what you want, and never have, and that's the problem: Obama acted as if a king and without garnering legislative or national support for what he did. In contrast, Trump is waiting for Congress to bring him a bipartisan bill to sign. He's not pretending to be King of the country. The left doesn't grasp what separation of powers means and are in love with authoritarian government rather than messy democracy. You falsely accuse trump of being a fascist but then whine when he acts like the opposite of a fascist.

Word salad.

Toss it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:PP here: if the dems thought they had such overwhelming national support for what they want on immigration they would have no need to try to leverage a government shut down to get it. The left is delusional. Have you already forgotten that this is one of the issues that elected Trump?

This.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:PP here: if the dems thought they had such overwhelming national support for what they want on immigration they would have no need to try to leverage a government shut down to get it. The left is delusional. Have you already forgotten that this is one of the issues that elected Trump?

It was the #1 issue, and, unbelievably, the out-of-touch Democrats are doubling down on the very issue that cost them the election. Americans BEFORE illegal immigrants! How hard is that to understand?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:PP here: if the dems thought they had such overwhelming national support for what they want on immigration they would have no need to try to leverage a government shut down to get it. The left is delusional. Have you already forgotten that this is one of the issues that elected Trump?

They had something and Trump did a 180 and so McConnell scrapped it. So I guess those that voted for Trump feel that these are successful negotiation tactics?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:PP here: if the dems thought they had such overwhelming national support for what they want on immigration they would have no need to try to leverage a government shut down to get it. The left is delusional. Have you already forgotten that this is one of the issues that elected Trump?

Neither he nor the Rs have put anything forward. Despite promises that they would do so.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Funding for a wall isn't going to do much to mitigate the effects of giving amnesty to millions of adults brought here as children who will then be able to sponsor the parents who brought them here and their siblings who can then sponsor their parents and siblings (and siblings' children) and their other children. Why do you think there's such a extreme wait to immigrate to the US from Mexico for so many people?

You can read just a single person's story in this article https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/06/23/millions-of-immigrants-waiting-for-green-cards/2450461/ and it will explain why there are still backlogs to this day.

One of the conditions of granting amnesty to these DACA illegals should be that their parents have to go home, and apply through legal channels for entry.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Funding for a wall isn't going to do much to mitigate the effects of giving amnesty to millions of adults brought here as children who will then be able to sponsor the parents who brought them here and their siblings who can then sponsor their parents and siblings (and siblings' children) and their other children. Why do you think there's such a extreme wait to immigrate to the US from Mexico for so many people?

You can read just a single person's story in this article https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/06/23/millions-of-immigrants-waiting-for-green-cards/2450461/ and it will explain why there are still backlogs to this day.

The Wall is symbolic. Kelly admitted as much the other day which is why Trump was angry at him-for undercutting Trumps negotiating position. But as soon as Schumer let it float that dems were on board with even the concept of a wall, this became a huge political victory for Trump. To concede even one penny for a Wall means Schumer is far more desperate for a deal then Trump is. The Dems will cave because they have no principled position and there will be a lot of Schumers constituents not getting paychecks starting next week. If this were a matter of principle schumer would proudly be taking credit for the shut down on behalf of DACA not trying to run away from it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Funding for a wall isn't going to do much to mitigate the effects of giving amnesty to millions of adults brought here as children who will then be able to sponsor the parents who brought them here and their siblings who can then sponsor their parents and siblings (and siblings' children) and their other children. Why do you think there's such a extreme wait to immigrate to the US from Mexico for so many people?

You can read just a single person's story in this article https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/06/23/millions-of-immigrants-waiting-for-green-cards/2450461/ and it will explain why there are still backlogs to this day.

The Wall is symbolic. Kelly admitted as much the other day which is why Trump was angry at him-for undercutting Trumps negotiating position. But as soon as Schumer let it float that dems were on board with even the concept of a wall, this became a huge political victory for Trump. To concede even one penny for a Wall means Schumer is far more desperate for a deal then Trump is. The Dems will cave because they have no principled position and there will be a lot of Schumers constituents not getting paychecks starting next week. If this were a matter of principle schumer would proudly be taking credit for the shut down on behalf of DACA not trying to run away from it.

Wait. The Wall is symbolic? You, a taxpayer (I presume) are okay with paying TWENTY BILLION DOLLARS for a symbol?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Funding for a wall isn't going to do much to mitigate the effects of giving amnesty to millions of adults brought here as children who will then be able to sponsor the parents who brought them here and their siblings who can then sponsor their parents and siblings (and siblings' children) and their other children. Why do you think there's such a extreme wait to immigrate to the US from Mexico for so many people?

You can read just a single person's story in this article https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/06/23/millions-of-immigrants-waiting-for-green-cards/2450461/ and it will explain why there are still backlogs to this day.

The Wall is symbolic. Kelly admitted as much the other day which is why Trump was angry at him-for undercutting Trumps negotiating position. But as soon as Schumer let it float that dems were on board with even the concept of a wall, this became a huge political victory for Trump. To concede even one penny for a Wall means Schumer is far more desperate for a deal then Trump is. The Dems will cave because they have no principled position and there will be a lot of Schumers constituents not getting paychecks starting next week. If this were a matter of principle schumer would proudly be taking credit for the shut down on behalf of DACA not trying to run away from it.

Wait. The Wall is symbolic? You, a taxpayer (I presume) are okay with paying TWENTY BILLION DOLLARS for a symbol?

PP is a fiscal conservative, of course

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:PP here: if the dems thought they had such overwhelming national support for what they want on immigration they would have no need to try to leverage a government shut down to get it. The left is delusional. Have you already forgotten that this is one of the issues that elected Trump?

Neither he nor the Rs have put anything forward. Despite promises that they would do so.

Sure he did. He terminated DACA and advocated a policy of strict enforcement of existing immigration law. That's his platform. The left is delusional. "Immigration reform". doesn't mean let them all in, except to the left.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
The Wall is symbolic. Kelly admitted as much the other day which is why Trump was angry at him-for undercutting Trumps negotiating position. But as soon as Schumer let it float that dems were on board with even the concept of a wall, this became a huge political victory for Trump. To concede even one penny for a Wall means Schumer is far more desperate for a deal then Trump is. The Dems will cave because they have no principled position and there will be a lot of Schumers constituents not getting paychecks starting next week. If this were a matter of principle schumer would proudly be taking credit for the shut down on behalf of DACA not trying to run away from it.

Schumer values keeping the government open. Trump doesn't.

It's good that someone does, even if it's not the president.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:PP here: if the dems thought they had such overwhelming national support for what they want on immigration they would have no need to try to leverage a government shut down to get it. The left is delusional. Have you already forgotten that this is one of the issues that elected Trump?

Neither he nor the Rs have put anything forward. Despite promises that they would do so.

Sure he did. He terminated DACA and advocated a policy of strict enforcement of existing immigration law. That's his platform. The left is delusional. "Immigration reform". doesn't mean let them all in, except to the left.

Trump is pro-DACA.