"Teacher of the Year" quits over Common Core tests

[Anonymous]

Simplistic answer:
You take a group with the old standards and a group with the new. Obviously, some will be the same.

Not rocket science. However, a class in Educational Research does help.

[Anonymous]

Simplistic answer:
You take a group with the old standards and a group with the new. Obviously, some will be the same.

Not rocket science. However, a class in Educational Research does help.

However, before you do this, it is important to be sure that the standards are significant and important. That requires experts: front line teachers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Simplistic answer:
You take a group with the old standards and a group with the new. Obviously, some will be the same.

Not rocket science. However, a class in Educational Research does help.

If you do that, you're comparing curricula, not standards.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

However, before you do this, it is important to be sure that the standards are significant and important. That requires experts: front line teachers.

Why would front-line teachers ("front-line"? are we at war?) be the experts in whether standards are significant and important?

[Anonymous]

Used the term "front line" because some poster on here does not understand the term "teacher."

[Anonymous]

Significance and important? because teachers are the ones charged with teaching the kids to read: therefore know which standards contribute to that. Same with math, etc.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Significance and important? because teachers are the ones charged with teaching the kids to read: therefore know which standards contribute to that. Same with math, etc.

So "front-line" teachers know more about teaching reading than, for example, reading specialists? And second-grade math teachers know more about which building blocks of math are the most important for algebra than math specialists?

Not to mention that there is a lot more to education -- as well as to the Common Core standards -- than learning how to read and math etc.

[Anonymous]

So "front-line" teachers know more about teaching reading than, for example, reading specialists? And second-grade math teachers know more about which building blocks of math are the most important for algebra than math specialists?

Oh, in many cases, yes. However, I do not recall seeing any reading specialists on the committees. At least, not ones that work with kids.

[Anonymous]

Not to mention that there is a lot more to education -- as well as to the Common Core standards -- than learning how to read and math etc.

You do know that CC only covers language arts and math, don't you?

[Anonymous]

If you do that, you're comparing curricula, not standards.

Do you understand the purpose of curricula? It is designed to teach standards or objectives.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Not to mention that there is a lot more to education -- as well as to the Common Core standards -- than learning how to read and math etc.

You do know that CC only covers language arts and math, don't you?

Yes, I do. What is your point?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

If you do that, you're comparing curricula, not standards.

Do you understand the purpose of curricula? It is designed to teach standards or objectives.

Actually a curriculum is what teachers use to teach students so that the students are able to meet the standards or objectives.

In any case, the PP's question was, how do you test a standard?

If you compare the performance of Class A, where Teacher A used Curriculum A in order to meet Standards A, to the performance of Class B, where Teacher B used Curriculum B in order to meet Standards B, you are not testing the standards. You are evaluating the teachers and the curricula.

And yes, the curriculum is supposed to be aligned to the standards. But it is possible base both a bad curriculum and a good curriculum on exactly the same standards.

So -- how do you test a standard? And what are you testing it for?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Significance and important? because teachers are the ones charged with teaching the kids to read: therefore know which standards contribute to that. Same with math, etc.

So "front-line" teachers know more about teaching reading than, for example, reading specialists? And second-grade math teachers know more about which building blocks of math are the most important for algebra than math specialists?

Not to mention that there is a lot more to education -- as well as to the Common Core standards -- than learning how to read and math etc.

And, the PP has to DROP that stale old canard about front line teachers not having been involved in developing the standards, because it is NOT TRUE.

From PolitiFact, who dug into the question: http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2013/oct/21/fact-checking-common-core-school-standards/

"One frequent complaint at the hearings is that teachers were not involved in developing the standards.

The Common Core State Standards Initiative, the official group that organizes the standards, says that’s not the case.

We wanted more evidence, so we talked to teachers who actually participated in the process.

Becky Pittard, a Volusia County elementary math teacher, served on a team that developed math standards. She said she was puzzled by any suggestion that teachers were left out.

"I can tell you the equal sign standard is there because I insisted," she said, referring to a first-grade guideline on understanding the meaning of the symbol. "There was impact."

Many states assembled teams of teachers to review the new standards, including Florida. Deputy chancellor Mary Jane Tappen sent an email to selected teachers in November 2009 expressly for that purpose.

"You are receiving this email because you are a trusted and respected expert in your field," Tappen wrote. "Florida must provide input on this very first drafty draft of the Common Core National Standards by December 4. … I will be collecting and compiling all our work into one Florida response."

PolitiFact Florida rated the claim that teachers weren’t involved in creating the standards as False."

[Anonymous]

And, the PP has to DROP that stale old canard about front line teachers not having been involved in developing the standards, because it is NOT TRUE.

From PolitiFact, who dug into the question: http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/20...-common-core-school-standards/

"One frequent complaint at the hearings is that teachers were not involved in developing the standards.

The Common Core State Standards Initiative, the official group that organizes the standards, says that’s not the case.

We wanted more evidence, so we talked to teachers who actually participated in the process.

Becky Pittard, a Volusia County elementary math teacher, served on a team that developed math standards. She said she was puzzled by any suggestion that teachers were left out.

"I can tell you the equal sign standard is there because I insisted," she said, referring to a first-grade guideline on understanding the meaning of the symbol. "There was impact."

Many states assembled teams of teachers to review the new standards, including Florida. Deputy chancellor Mary Jane Tappen sent an email to selected teachers in November 2009 expressly for that purpose.

"You are receiving this email because you are a trusted and respected expert in your field," Tappen wrote. "Florida must provide input on this very first drafty draft of the Common Core National Standards by December 4. … I will be collecting and compiling all our work into one Florida response."

PolitiFact Florida rated the claim that teachers weren’t involved in creating the standards as False."

Then, where is the data and documentation. Where are the results of the input?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

And, the PP has to DROP that stale old canard about front line teachers not having been involved in developing the standards, because it is NOT TRUE.

From PolitiFact, who dug into the question: http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/20...-common-core-school-standards/

"One frequent complaint at the hearings is that teachers were not involved in developing the standards.

The Common Core State Standards Initiative, the official group that organizes the standards, says that’s not the case.

We wanted more evidence, so we talked to teachers who actually participated in the process.

Becky Pittard, a Volusia County elementary math teacher, served on a team that developed math standards. She said she was puzzled by any suggestion that teachers were left out.

"I can tell you the equal sign standard is there because I insisted," she said, referring to a first-grade guideline on understanding the meaning of the symbol. "There was impact."

Many states assembled teams of teachers to review the new standards, including Florida. Deputy chancellor Mary Jane Tappen sent an email to selected teachers in November 2009 expressly for that purpose.

"You are receiving this email because you are a trusted and respected expert in your field," Tappen wrote. "Florida must provide input on this very first drafty draft of the Common Core National Standards by December 4. … I will be collecting and compiling all our work into one Florida response."

PolitiFact Florida rated the claim that teachers weren’t involved in creating the standards as False."

Then, where is the data and documentation. Where are the results of the input?

You obviously didn't read the article. The results of the input are in the standards themselves. An example of that was given above, by a front-line Florida elementary school teacher who made sure that the concept of the equal sign was introduced at an age-appropriate level.