Woodward HS boundary study - BCC, Blair, Einstein, WJ, Kennedy, Northwood, Wheaton, Whitman impacts

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Anonymous wrote:quote=Anonymous]They need a new HS inside the Beltway and east of Rock Creek/the MARC tracks. Moving Blair outside the Beltway and excluding the western inner suburbs from the DCC, while, over time, preferentially addressing needs to the west (not fully addressing, just not as underaddressed) and failing to make proper investment with the development/redevelopment of higher-density areas set up today's situation.

That would be great, but on which land?

They already did this when they purchased the land to build Blair high-school. The case is closed.

Blair is outside the Beltway.

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Anonymous wrote:quote=Anonymous]They need a new HS inside the Beltway and east of Rock Creek/the MARC tracks. Moving Blair outside the Beltway and excluding the western inner suburbs from the DCC, while, over time, preferentially addressing needs to the west (not fully addressing, just not as underaddressed) and failing to make proper investment with the development/redevelopment of higher-density areas set up today's situation.

That would be great, but on which land?

They already did this when they purchased the land to build Blair high-school. The case is closed.

Blair is outside the Beltway.

Yes, it was unfortunate that they picked the new location far from the area the school serves, but it is what it is..

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Anonymous wrote:quote=Anonymous]They need a new HS inside the Beltway and east of Rock Creek/the MARC tracks. Moving Blair outside the Beltway and excluding the western inner suburbs from the DCC, while, over time, preferentially addressing needs to the west (not fully addressing, just not as underaddressed) and failing to make proper investment with the development/redevelopment of higher-density areas set up today's situation.

That would be great, but on which land?

They already did this when they purchased the land to build Blair high-school. The case is closed.

Blair is outside the Beltway.

Yes, it was unfortunate that they picked the new location far from the area the school serves, but it is what it is..

When they picked the new location in 1998, Northwood had not reopened yet, so the new Blair site was surrounded on all sides by Blair-zoned neighborhoods. It was after Northwood reopened that the weird current boundaries were drawn.

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Anonymous wrote:I think the biggest impact will be felt in the DCC w/ Einstein. They will probably lose an elementary school so that the Kensington Parkwood Elementary kids can be re-districted to Einstein.

From what I have been told from those in the know is that doing this helps improve a number of state measured metrics and that every potential model starts with this move.

I feel like there are people on this thread for whom the only goal of this entire process is to move kids in Kensington from WJ to Einstein. Don’t be shocked if this doesn’t happen.

Einstein is too overcrowded to absorb the Kensington kids. They will probably go to Woodward or stay at WJ. The town fought too hard to keep them out of Einstein. They aren't going to allow their kids to go to Einstein.

How so? When did this hard "fight" take place?

Plus, most of the Kensington Parkwood area is not in the Town of Kensington anyway - or the Town of Chevy Chase View.

The boundary of Kensington feeding to WJ is a long standing one. Kensington Jr. High, basically where Silver Creek is now, fed to WJ way back in the early 70s.

That matters not when it comes to deciding what makes most sense today. Additionally, any argument based in historical school boundaries that were nearly all influenced by blatant segregation really takesx the knees out of the appropriateness of that argument today.

It is a problem that the entire housing pattern in MoCo is based on historical patterns of segregation. It's not really possible for the school system to fix that. They can make decisions at the margins. There needs to be some nuance in the equation to manage this issue. It's not KP --> Einstein = problem fixed.

That's nonsense. They can do better and end the defacto longterm segregation.

Funny the rich people are complaining about diversity and segregation. Those of us at the “bad” schools are happy there and don’t want our kids moved or in the other schools. We could move but we don’t want our kids in your wealthy schools.

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My guess is that they pull a new elementary school into WJ or Woodward (Veirs Mill) and shift some other kids west somehow to make sure that whitest of the white schools get some additional diversity. I don't think they are going to bother with the fight that would be moving KP to Einstein. Einstein doesn't have the room and it's not worth the headache.

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Anonymous wrote:I think the biggest impact will be felt in the DCC w/ Einstein. They will probably lose an elementary school so that the Kensington Parkwood Elementary kids can be re-districted to Einstein.

From what I have been told from those in the know is that doing this helps improve a number of state measured metrics and that every potential model starts with this move.

I feel like there are people on this thread for whom the only goal of this entire process is to move kids in Kensington from WJ to Einstein. Don’t be shocked if this doesn’t happen.

Einstein is too overcrowded to absorb the Kensington kids. They will probably go to Woodward or stay at WJ. The town fought too hard to keep them out of Einstein. They aren't going to allow their kids to go to Einstein.

How so? When did this hard "fight" take place?

Plus, most of the Kensington Parkwood area is not in the Town of Kensington anyway - or the Town of Chevy Chase View.

The boundary of Kensington feeding to WJ is a long standing one. Kensington Jr. High, basically where Silver Creek is now, fed to WJ way back in the early 70s.

That matters not when it comes to deciding what makes most sense today. Additionally, any argument based in historical school boundaries that were nearly all influenced by blatant segregation really takesx the knees out of the appropriateness of that argument today.

It is a problem that the entire housing pattern in MoCo is based on historical patterns of segregation. It's not really possible for the school system to fix that. They can make decisions at the margins. There needs to be some nuance in the equation to manage this issue. It's not KP --> Einstein = problem fixed.

That's nonsense. They can do better and end the defacto longterm segregation.

Funny the rich people are complaining about diversity and segregation. Those of us at the “bad” schools are happy there and don’t want our kids moved or in the other schools. We could move but we don’t want our kids in your wealthy schools.

Really? I think it's the opposite. There are a lot of posters here that seem committed to maintaining status quo segregation.

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Anonymous wrote:My guess is that they pull a new elementary school into WJ or Woodward (Veirs Mill) and shift some other kids west somehow to make sure that whitest of the white schools get some additional diversity. I don't think they are going to bother with the fight that would be moving KP to Einstein. Einstein doesn't have the room and it's not worth the headache.

The reason to move KP to Einstein is that it is an opportunity to increase diversity without busing anyone too far. If they are serious about relieving capacity in the DCC AND increasing diversity, they need a multipronged approach. What they would do is switch out Woodlin to BCC and bring in KP. Moving KP to Einstein opens up space in Woodward/WJ for more low-income schools e.g. Viers Mill/Wheaton Woods/Sargeant Shriver. Net increase in diversity for both Einstein and BCC. Then move one or two Einstein feeders to Wheaton and some Wheaton feeders to Woodward/WJ. Will they do this? I don't know, it really depends on how much they are willing to anger people in order to achieve their stated goals.

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Anonymous wrote:I think the biggest impact will be felt in the DCC w/ Einstein. They will probably lose an elementary school so that the Kensington Parkwood Elementary kids can be re-districted to Einstein.

From what I have been told from those in the know is that doing this helps improve a number of state measured metrics and that every potential model starts with this move.

I feel like there are people on this thread for whom the only goal of this entire process is to move kids in Kensington from WJ to Einstein. Don’t be shocked if this doesn’t happen.

Einstein is too overcrowded to absorb the Kensington kids. They will probably go to Woodward or stay at WJ. The town fought too hard to keep them out of Einstein. They aren't going to allow their kids to go to Einstein.

How so? When did this hard "fight" take place?

Plus, most of the Kensington Parkwood area is not in the Town of Kensington anyway - or the Town of Chevy Chase View.

The boundary of Kensington feeding to WJ is a long standing one. Kensington Jr. High, basically where Silver Creek is now, fed to WJ way back in the early 70s.

That matters not when it comes to deciding what makes most sense today. Additionally, any argument based in historical school boundaries that were nearly all influenced by blatant segregation really takesx the knees out of the appropriateness of that argument today.

It is a problem that the entire housing pattern in MoCo is based on historical patterns of segregation. It's not really possible for the school system to fix that. They can make decisions at the margins. There needs to be some nuance in the equation to manage this issue. It's not KP --> Einstein = problem fixed.

That's nonsense. They can do better and end the defacto longterm segregation.

Funny the rich people are complaining about diversity and segregation. Those of us at the “bad” schools are happy there and don’t want our kids moved or in the other schools. We could move but we don’t want our kids in your wealthy schools.

Really? I think it's the opposite. There are a lot of posters here that seem committed to maintaining status quo segregation.

There are a lot of posters here that seem committed to maintaining the status quo, period. People don't like change.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My guess is that they pull a new elementary school into WJ or Woodward (Veirs Mill) and shift some other kids west somehow to make sure that whitest of the white schools get some additional diversity. I don't think they are going to bother with the fight that would be moving KP to Einstein. Einstein doesn't have the room and it's not worth the headache.

The reason to move KP to Einstein is that it is an opportunity to increase diversity without busing anyone too far. If they are serious about relieving capacity in the DCC AND increasing diversity, they need a multipronged approach. What they would do is switch out Woodlin to BCC and bring in KP. Moving KP to Einstein opens up space in Woodward/WJ for more low-income schools e.g. Viers Mill/Wheaton Woods/Sargeant Shriver. Net increase in diversity for both Einstein and BCC. Then move one or two Einstein feeders to Wheaton and some Wheaton feeders to Woodward/WJ. Will they do this? I don't know, it really depends on how much they are willing to anger people in order to achieve their stated goals.

In order to have room for Woodlin at BCC, they would also need to rezone a current BCC feeder elsewhere.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My guess is that they pull a new elementary school into WJ or Woodward (Veirs Mill) and shift some other kids west somehow to make sure that whitest of the white schools get some additional diversity. I don't think they are going to bother with the fight that would be moving KP to Einstein. Einstein doesn't have the room and it's not worth the headache.

The reason to move KP to Einstein is that it is an opportunity to increase diversity without busing anyone too far. If they are serious about relieving capacity in the DCC AND increasing diversity, they need a multipronged approach. What they would do is switch out Woodlin to BCC and bring in KP. Moving KP to Einstein opens up space in Woodward/WJ for more low-income schools e.g. Viers Mill/Wheaton Woods/Sargeant Shriver. Net increase in diversity for both Einstein and BCC. Then move one or two Einstein feeders to Wheaton and some Wheaton feeders to Woodward/WJ. Will they do this? I don't know, it really depends on how much they are willing to anger people in order to achieve their stated goals.

In order to have room for Woodlin at BCC, they would also need to rezone a current BCC feeder elsewhere.

Yes they would. But they did include BCC and Whitman in the study, so this must at least be on the table.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My guess is that they pull a new elementary school into WJ or Woodward (Veirs Mill) and shift some other kids west somehow to make sure that whitest of the white schools get some additional diversity. I don't think they are going to bother with the fight that would be moving KP to Einstein. Einstein doesn't have the room and it's not worth the headache.

The reason to move KP to Einstein is that it is an opportunity to increase diversity without busing anyone too far. If they are serious about relieving capacity in the DCC AND increasing diversity, they need a multipronged approach. What they would do is switch out Woodlin to BCC and bring in KP. Moving KP to Einstein opens up space in Woodward/WJ for more low-income schools e.g. Viers Mill/Wheaton Woods/Sargeant Shriver. Net increase in diversity for both Einstein and BCC. Then move one or two Einstein feeders to Wheaton and some Wheaton feeders to Woodward/WJ. Will they do this? I don't know, it really depends on how much they are willing to anger people in order to achieve their stated goals.

In order to have room for Woodlin at BCC, they would also need to rezone a current BCC feeder elsewhere.

Yes they would. But they did include BCC and Whitman in the study, so this must at least be on the table.

+1, I think this is exactly why Whitman was pulled into the study, so that they could take some BCC students, which frees up some space there for DCC students in adjacent areas. Whitman students aren’t going to be moved to Woodward, and they are not going to bus kids from the DCC all the way to Whitman.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My guess is that they pull a new elementary school into WJ or Woodward (Veirs Mill) and shift some other kids west somehow to make sure that whitest of the white schools get some additional diversity. I don't think they are going to bother with the fight that would be moving KP to Einstein. Einstein doesn't have the room and it's not worth the headache.

The reason to move KP to Einstein is that it is an opportunity to increase diversity without busing anyone too far. If they are serious about relieving capacity in the DCC AND increasing diversity, they need a multipronged approach. What they would do is switch out Woodlin to BCC and bring in KP. Moving KP to Einstein opens up space in Woodward/WJ for more low-income schools e.g. Viers Mill/Wheaton Woods/Sargeant Shriver. Net increase in diversity for both Einstein and BCC. Then move one or two Einstein feeders to Wheaton and some Wheaton feeders to Woodward/WJ. Will they do this? I don't know, it really depends on how much they are willing to anger people in order to achieve their stated goals.

Actually, if you moved a lower SES Einstein feeder to Woodward and replaced it with KP, you'd have *less* diversity in Einstein. OTES, Singer, Rock View are not low SES schools. They're not Luxmanor, but they're also not Veirs Mill. KP is overall wealthier than Woodlin.

IMO, the reason to move KP to Einstein is that Einstein is closer than WJ to much of the KP catchment area. Reduce the time kids are on buses.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My guess is that they pull a new elementary school into WJ or Woodward (Veirs Mill) and shift some other kids west somehow to make sure that whitest of the white schools get some additional diversity. I don't think they are going to bother with the fight that would be moving KP to Einstein. Einstein doesn't have the room and it's not worth the headache.

The reason to move KP to Einstein is that it is an opportunity to increase diversity without busing anyone too far. If they are serious about relieving capacity in the DCC AND increasing diversity, they need a multipronged approach. What they would do is switch out Woodlin to BCC and bring in KP. Moving KP to Einstein opens up space in Woodward/WJ for more low-income schools e.g. Viers Mill/Wheaton Woods/Sargeant Shriver. Net increase in diversity for both Einstein and BCC. Then move one or two Einstein feeders to Wheaton and some Wheaton feeders to Woodward/WJ. Will they do this? I don't know, it really depends on how much they are willing to anger people in order to achieve their stated goals.

Actually, if you moved a lower SES Einstein feeder to Woodward and replaced it with KP, you'd have *less* diversity in Einstein. OTES, Singer, Rock View are not low SES schools. They're not Luxmanor, but they're also not Veirs Mill. KP is overall wealthier than Woodlin.

IMO, the reason to move KP to Einstein is that Einstein is closer than WJ to much of the KP catchment area. Reduce the time kids are on buses.

I didn't say they should move a "lower SES" Einstein feeder to Woodward. I think it's highly unlikely they'd move any Einstein feeders to Woodward for the reasons you mentioned, which is why in the post you replied to, I posited that they might move some WHEATON feeders to Woodward or WJ.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My guess is that they pull a new elementary school into WJ or Woodward (Veirs Mill) and shift some other kids west somehow to make sure that whitest of the white schools get some additional diversity. I don't think they are going to bother with the fight that would be moving KP to Einstein. Einstein doesn't have the room and it's not worth the headache.

The reason to move KP to Einstein is that it is an opportunity to increase diversity without busing anyone too far. If they are serious about relieving capacity in the DCC AND increasing diversity, they need a multipronged approach. What they would do is switch out Woodlin to BCC and bring in KP. Moving KP to Einstein opens up space in Woodward/WJ for more low-income schools e.g. Viers Mill/Wheaton Woods/Sargeant Shriver. Net increase in diversity for both Einstein and BCC. Then move one or two Einstein feeders to Wheaton and some Wheaton feeders to Woodward/WJ. Will they do this? I don't know, it really depends on how much they are willing to anger people in order to achieve their stated goals.

Actually, if you moved a lower SES Einstein feeder to Woodward and replaced it with KP, you'd have *less* diversity in Einstein. OTES, Singer, Rock View are not low SES schools. They're not Luxmanor, but they're also not Veirs Mill. KP is overall wealthier than Woodlin.

IMO, the reason to move KP to Einstein is that Einstein is closer than WJ to much of the KP catchment area. Reduce the time kids are on buses.

Why not just say "low-income" or "poor"?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think the biggest impact will be felt in the DCC w/ Einstein. They will probably lose an elementary school so that the Kensington Parkwood Elementary kids can be re-districted to Einstein.

From what I have been told from those in the know is that doing this helps improve a number of state measured metrics and that every potential model starts with this move.

I feel like there are people on this thread for whom the only goal of this entire process is to move kids in Kensington from WJ to Einstein. Don’t be shocked if this doesn’t happen.

Einstein is too overcrowded to absorb the Kensington kids. They will probably go to Woodward or stay at WJ. The town fought too hard to keep them out of Einstein. They aren't going to allow their kids to go to Einstein.

How so? When did this hard "fight" take place?

Plus, most of the Kensington Parkwood area is not in the Town of Kensington anyway - or the Town of Chevy Chase View.

The boundary of Kensington feeding to WJ is a long standing one. Kensington Jr. High, basically where Silver Creek is now, fed to WJ way back in the early 70s.

That matters not when it comes to deciding what makes most sense today. Additionally, any argument based in historical school boundaries that were nearly all influenced by blatant segregation really takesx the knees out of the appropriateness of that argument today.

It is a problem that the entire housing pattern in MoCo is based on historical patterns of segregation. It's not really possible for the school system to fix that. They can make decisions at the margins. There needs to be some nuance in the equation to manage this issue. It's not KP --> Einstein = problem fixed.

That's nonsense. They can do better and end the defacto longterm segregation.

Funny the rich people are complaining about diversity and segregation. Those of us at the “bad” schools are happy there and don’t want our kids moved or in the other schools. We could move but we don’t want our kids in your wealthy schools.

Really? I think it's the opposite. There are a lot of posters here that seem committed to maintaining status quo segregation.

Most are ok with a few token kids entering the schools. But, we don’t want our kids moved to your school.