FCPS HS Boundary

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Anonymous wrote:Before any rezoning ovvurs, two critical things should occur:

#1. All students attending a school affected by rezoning should be required to supply a proff of residency in the form of a recent utility bill in one of their parent's name.

If they cannot produce a current utility bill proving they are attending the correct school for their address, then they need to be moved out of the school the following year, back to their zoned school, and removed from the capacity counts. I suspect that there are dozens or more families that fall into this category, falsely inflating the capacity numbers.

#2 All loopholes allowing students to transfer out of receiving schools, such as Lewis where over 12% of the students transfer away to other high schools.

Once the transfer out loopholes are closed, FCPS needs to wait 2 full academic years to see if this increases enrollment and test scores at the school, or if those roughly 200 students find a different way to avoid attending Lewis.

If Lewis attendance shows no notable increase in Lewis students attending their zoned high school, then FCPS needs to halt rezoning and look at other solutions for Lewis, that do no involve rezoning kids from WSHS to fill spots that Lewis zoned students refuse to fill.

Rezoning into any school that is pupil placing OUT hundreds of students is short sighted and a terrible waste of taxpayer money, not to mention a huge disruption to students lives, and an attack on families that purchased their home based on a specific high school zone.

Kids are not political pawns.

Enforce existing district residency rules.

Look at the student actually zoned for the schools who are not attending, and fix those deficiencies.

The solution is simple.

DP. I agree with you in theory but what if a pyramid has a significant number of homeless or undocumented students whose parents are not on a lease or have a utility bill (many have these but some don’t).

We are at one of the overcrowded high schools.

The kids using someone else's address are not this group of poor kids that you speak.

Theu are wealthy, upper middle class families living in big houses in other zones, using grandma's address in our high school zone.

Anyone with kids attending our overcrowded, high performing high school has at least one utility bill, lease, or mortgage statement in a parent's name, even if thwt means the utility bill is for a different school zone.

Your argument is a non argument.

This practice will only increase once the board does its thing.

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Then why do you care about Forestville kids going to Herndon (or not)? Your kids don’t go to either Langley or Herndon, so why are you opining about other people’s children?

McLean mom wants Forestville moved out of Langley so her kids can get moved to Langley and avoid the drop in quality at McLean once all the new low-income housing is built in Tysons.

Nope, I want McLean to be less crowded for all go there by making the obvious choice to shift some of MHS to LHS and some of LHS to HHS. LHS has capacity and some parts of its zone are so much closer to HHS (the bus ride from those neighborhoods to LHS to s ridiculous).

DP. Your self-interest and disregard for other kids is so so gross. All that is wrong in our county.

DP. Good grief, Langley parents acted like the McLean families rezoned there in 2021 (in some cases, against their wishes) should have kissed their feet for the opportunity to attend Langley. But if, for whatever reason, part of Langley gets moved to Herndon, it’s going to be a crime against humanity and “all that is wrong in our county”? No wonder the Herndon parents don’t want you at their school, if that’s your attitude.

Another DP. Langley parents were reacting to the bad behavior of some McLean parents, who acted like it was the end of the world that some McLean families would be rezoned to Langley. Very off-putting behavior.

With every redistricting, some parents are fine with it and others opposed. But let’s not kid ourselves, you’d fully support the Langley parents who’d act 10X more aggrieved if they were reassigned to Herndon.

Yes, I would. Would you want your kids moving to Herndon?

DP. I think everyone is in agreement against the ill-advised county redistricting here. I think you both are advocating against it.

PP here. Actually, pretty sure the PPP is the one insisting Forestville move to Herndon even though her kids go to McLean. She clearly won’t admit how angry she’d be if her kids were rezoned to Falls Church. More than a little hypocritical.

DP. Let me see if I've got this right, Langley mom. You're attacking a McLean parent for not being willing to dump on Falls Church?

Could it possibly be that says more about you than about a poster who apparently decided not to engage with you further?

(By the way, Falls Church will soon have a very nice building, it offers a bunch of AP courses, and several of its administrators, including the current principal, came from McLean.)

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Before any rezoning ovvurs, two critical things should occur:

#1. All students attending a school affected by rezoning should be required to supply a proff of residency in the form of a recent utility bill in one of their parent's name.

If they cannot produce a current utility bill proving they are attending the correct school for their address, then they need to be moved out of the school the following year, back to their zoned school, and removed from the capacity counts. I suspect that there are dozens or more families that fall into this category, falsely inflating the capacity numbers.

#2 All loopholes allowing students to transfer out of receiving schools, such as Lewis where over 12% of the students transfer away to other high schools.

Once the transfer out loopholes are closed, FCPS needs to wait 2 full academic years to see if this increases enrollment and test scores at the school, or if those roughly 200 students find a different way to avoid attending Lewis.

If Lewis attendance shows no notable increase in Lewis students attending their zoned high school, then FCPS needs to halt rezoning and look at other solutions for Lewis, that do no involve rezoning kids from WSHS to fill spots that Lewis zoned students refuse to fill.

Rezoning into any school that is pupil placing OUT hundreds of students is short sighted and a terrible waste of taxpayer money, not to mention a huge disruption to students lives, and an attack on families that purchased their home based on a specific high school zone.

Kids are not political pawns.

Enforce existing district residency rules.

Look at the student actually zoned for the schools who are not attending, and fix those deficiencies.

The solution is simple.

DP. I agree with you in theory but what if a pyramid has a significant number of homeless or undocumented students whose parents are not on a lease or have a utility bill (many have these but some don’t).

We are at one of the overcrowded high schools.

The kids using someone else's address are not this group of poor kids that you speak.

Theu are wealthy, upper middle class families living in big houses in other zones, using grandma's address in our high school zone.

Anyone with kids attending our overcrowded, high performing high school has at least one utility bill, lease, or mortgage statement in a parent's name, even if thwt means the utility bill is for a different school zone.

Your argument is a non argument.

That's your school. Just saying that this may open a Pandora's box.

[Anonymous]

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Then why do you care about Forestville kids going to Herndon (or not)? Your kids don’t go to either Langley or Herndon, so why are you opining about other people’s children?

McLean mom wants Forestville moved out of Langley so her kids can get moved to Langley and avoid the drop in quality at McLean once all the new low-income housing is built in Tysons.

Nope, I want McLean to be less crowded for all go there by making the obvious choice to shift some of MHS to LHS and some of LHS to HHS. LHS has capacity and some parts of its zone are so much closer to HHS (the bus ride from those neighborhoods to LHS to s ridiculous).

With its new renovation, Falls Church HS can pick up some of the McLean crowding on the other side of the McLean district. Frankly, with the growth of Tyson’s, I think both will have to happen as well as expanding McLean.

Falls Church HS is much farther away from MHS zone than HHS is from LHS. Not to mention, LHS has excess capacity.

DP. Yes, Langley has some extra capacity right now, but it also has two large subdivisions being built within its boundary. No doubt that extra capacity will be used up very shortly.

Interesting. Does no one see this as a threat to Forestville?

DP. I do. Most Forestville parents I talk to about this are in denial at the moment, but it’s going to get very real very quickly.

Sure, whatever you say.

Out for a good Sunday troll, are you? You honestly don’t think that parents are just going to sit by as their kids get redistricted from a top performing school to a lower performing one. McDaniel and Lady are pushing for this over the clear objection of their constituents, and even they know there will be massive pushback on this.

Try to minimize it all you want, but you’ll see the uproar when the staff makes its recommendation to the board moving students from good to bad schools. It’ll probably be too late to stop at that point, but the county and the democrats in Fairfax county are going to take massive hits on this.

Let's recap: You asked if anyone sees the new housing developments in GF as a "threat" to the Forestville community, i.e. that they could be rezoned to Herndon. You seem absolutely intent in *making* this into a threat. IF - and that's a huge IF - the SB were to try rezoning Forestville to Herndon, they would undoubtedly be met with huge resistance, just as they were the last time they suggested doing so. IF this rezoning actually happened, most of these parents would send their kids to privates rather than going to Herndon. I think we probably agree on this.

But your insistence that this rezoning will happen in the first place is what I would call "out for a good Sunday troll." Actually, you bring this up every day, so it's more like a weekly trolling for you.

What school do your kids attend?

[Anonymous]

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Then why do you care about Forestville kids going to Herndon (or not)? Your kids don’t go to either Langley or Herndon, so why are you opining about other people’s children?

McLean mom wants Forestville moved out of Langley so her kids can get moved to Langley and avoid the drop in quality at McLean once all the new low-income housing is built in Tysons.

Nope, I want McLean to be less crowded for all go there by making the obvious choice to shift some of MHS to LHS and some of LHS to HHS. LHS has capacity and some parts of its zone are so much closer to HHS (the bus ride from those neighborhoods to LHS to s ridiculous).

DP. Your self-interest and disregard for other kids is so so gross. All that is wrong in our county.

DP. Good grief, Langley parents acted like the McLean families rezoned there in 2021 (in some cases, against their wishes) should have kissed their feet for the opportunity to attend Langley. But if, for whatever reason, part of Langley gets moved to Herndon, it’s going to be a crime against humanity and “all that is wrong in our county”? No wonder the Herndon parents don’t want you at their school, if that’s your attitude.

Another DP. Langley parents were reacting to the bad behavior of some McLean parents, who acted like it was the end of the world that some McLean families would be rezoned to Langley. Very off-putting behavior.

With every redistricting, some parents are fine with it and others opposed. But let’s not kid ourselves, you’d fully support the Langley parents who’d act 10X more aggrieved if they were reassigned to Herndon.

Yes, I would. Would you want your kids moving to Herndon?

DP. I think everyone is in agreement against the ill-advised county redistricting here. I think you both are advocating against it.

PP here. Actually, pretty sure the PPP is the one insisting Forestville move to Herndon even though her kids go to McLean. She clearly won’t admit how angry she’d be if her kids were rezoned to Falls Church. More than a little hypocritical.

DP. Let me see if I've got this right, Langley mom. You're attacking a McLean parent for not being willing to dump on Falls Church?

Could it possibly be that says more about you than about a poster who apparently decided not to engage with you further?

(By the way, Falls Church will soon have a very nice building, it offers a bunch of AP courses, and several of its administrators, including the current principal, came from McLean.)

Ha - McLean mom refuses to "dump" on Falls Church HS because she doesn't want to be called out as the hypocrite she is. She would fight tooth and nail if her kid was rezoned to Falls Church - yet she wants Forestville families to be rezoned to Herndon. It's pretty rich. Btw, what school do your kids attend?

[Anonymous]

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Then why do you care about Forestville kids going to Herndon (or not)? Your kids don’t go to either Langley or Herndon, so why are you opining about other people’s children?

McLean mom wants Forestville moved out of Langley so her kids can get moved to Langley and avoid the drop in quality at McLean once all the new low-income housing is built in Tysons.

Nope, I want McLean to be less crowded for all go there by making the obvious choice to shift some of MHS to LHS and some of LHS to HHS. LHS has capacity and some parts of its zone are so much closer to HHS (the bus ride from those neighborhoods to LHS to s ridiculous).

With its new renovation, Falls Church HS can pick up some of the McLean crowding on the other side of the McLean district. Frankly, with the growth of Tyson’s, I think both will have to happen as well as expanding McLean.

Falls Church HS is much farther away from MHS zone than HHS is from LHS. Not to mention, LHS has excess capacity.

DP. Yes, Langley has some extra capacity right now, but it also has two large subdivisions being built within its boundary. No doubt that extra capacity will be used up very shortly.

Interesting. Does no one see this as a threat to Forestville?

DP. I do. Most Forestville parents I talk to about this are in denial at the moment, but it’s going to get very real very quickly.

Sure, whatever you say.

Out for a good Sunday troll, are you? You honestly don’t think that parents are just going to sit by as their kids get redistricted from a top performing school to a lower performing one. McDaniel and Lady are pushing for this over the clear objection of their constituents, and even they know there will be massive pushback on this.

Try to minimize it all you want, but you’ll see the uproar when the staff makes its recommendation to the board moving students from good to bad schools. It’ll probably be too late to stop at that point, but the county and the democrats in Fairfax county are going to take massive hits on this.

Let's recap: You asked if anyone sees the new housing developments in GF as a "threat" to the Forestville community, i.e. that they could be rezoned to Herndon. You seem absolutely intent in *making* this into a threat. IF - and that's a huge IF - the SB were to try rezoning Forestville to Herndon, they would undoubtedly be met with huge resistance, just as they were the last time they suggested doing so. IF this rezoning actually happened, most of these parents would send their kids to privates rather than going to Herndon. I think we probably agree on this.

But your insistence that this rezoning will happen in the first place is what I would call "out for a good Sunday troll." Actually, you bring this up every day, so it's more like a weekly trolling for you.

What school do your kids attend?

So first, you are conflating posters, and claiming that I asked questions that I didn’t ask. Second, I don’t insist on redistricting happening because I want it, it’s the exact opposite, I don’t want it.

I think it is crystal clear from Lady’s newsletter last week what her intentions are, and she is the representative that has the most say in this since both schools are in her district. I’ve listened to board meetings and looked at the CIPs. I’ve done my due diligence. Is it a done deal? Absolutely not, but at this point I think it is a coin flip that all of Forestville gets moved to Herndon high, and I think even if not that it is very likely that a portion of the school will get moved, because, you know, busses (or whatever their equity pretext is).

Are parents going to be pissed in that scenario? Absolutely, for many reasons. Can they do anything to prevent it? Probably unlikely after it gets announced.

I’m not trying to will anything into existence, I just am not the type that’ll stick my head in the sand and hope for everything to turn out alright.

All that said, I think it is obvious which school my kids attend.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Before any rezoning ovvurs, two critical things should occur:

#1. All students attending a school affected by rezoning should be required to supply a proff of residency in the form of a recent utility bill in one of their parent's name.

If they cannot produce a current utility bill proving they are attending the correct school for their address, then they need to be moved out of the school the following year, back to their zoned school, and removed from the capacity counts. I suspect that there are dozens or more families that fall into this category, falsely inflating the capacity numbers.

#2 All loopholes allowing students to transfer out of receiving schools, such as Lewis where over 12% of the students transfer away to other high schools.

Once the transfer out loopholes are closed, FCPS needs to wait 2 full academic years to see if this increases enrollment and test scores at the school, or if those roughly 200 students find a different way to avoid attending Lewis.

If Lewis attendance shows no notable increase in Lewis students attending their zoned high school, then FCPS needs to halt rezoning and look at other solutions for Lewis, that do no involve rezoning kids from WSHS to fill spots that Lewis zoned students refuse to fill.

Rezoning into any school that is pupil placing OUT hundreds of students is short sighted and a terrible waste of taxpayer money, not to mention a huge disruption to students lives, and an attack on families that purchased their home based on a specific high school zone.

Kids are not political pawns.

Enforce existing district residency rules.

Look at the student actually zoned for the schools who are not attending, and fix those deficiencies.

The solution is simple.

DP. I agree with you in theory but what if a pyramid has a significant number of homeless or undocumented students whose parents are not on a lease or have a utility bill (many have these but some don’t).

We are at one of the overcrowded high schools.

The kids using someone else's address are not this group of poor kids that you speak.

Theu are wealthy, upper middle class families living in big houses in other zones, using grandma's address in our high school zone.

Anyone with kids attending our overcrowded, high performing high school has at least one utility bill, lease, or mortgage statement in a parent's name, even if thwt means the utility bill is for a different school zone.

Your argument is a non argument.

This practice will only increase once the board does its thing.

You mean when Karl Frisch and his equity-minions further drag down the once great FCPS.

[Anonymous]

For those, like me, who aren't in Lady's district, here's what she said in her newsletter last week:

"...One parent asked what my top three priorities were, and I shared on the academic side literacy/numeracy and pre-K for all students. My third was to save money/address spending. One way forward on this is the holistic view of the county wide Boundary Policy which has not been altered in 38 years. By looking at the policy, we can look at capacity issues both over and under, long commutes, fewer buses, more sleep for students, and find ways to save taxpayers money. Based on the February Forum, the Governance Committee has been reviewing Policy 8130. The latest draft can be found here. The next Governance meeting is scheduled for May 20th and is open to the public. Once the policy has been approved by the Board, the next step is operationalizing this new policy."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:For those, like me, who aren't in Lady's district, here's what she said in her newsletter last week:

"...One parent asked what my top three priorities were, and I shared on the academic side literacy/numeracy and pre-K for all students. My third was to save money/address spending. One way forward on this is the holistic view of the county wide Boundary Policy which has not been altered in 38 years. By looking at the policy, we can look at capacity issues both over and under, long commutes, fewer buses, more sleep for students, and find ways to save taxpayers money. Based on the February Forum, the Governance Committee has been reviewing Policy 8130. The latest draft can be found here. The next Governance meeting is scheduled for May 20th and is open to the public. Once the policy has been approved by the Board, the next step is operationalizing this new policy."

Do we still think this is a nothing burger?

[Anonymous]

The entire Langley pyramid area should just secede from Fairfax county as an independent city and stop supporting this bufoonery.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The entire Langley pyramid area should just secede from Fairfax county as an independent city and stop supporting this bufoonery.

How would they do that? (Hint- they can’t )

[Anonymous]

Does anyone know if current classes at the time of redistricting are grandfathered in to their school? So if it happens when my youngest is a sophomore, his would be the last incoming class at his school?

[Anonymous]

Capacity issues, long commutes, fewer buses, saving taxpayer money. But “equity” wasn’t mentioned. We all know there are some places where capacity, long bus rides, and endless additions for capacity are ongoing. Cough, West Potomac, while Mount Vernon sits underutilized right down the road. I think if that’s your situation (Langley/McLean is potentially another as those schools are in quite close proximity) then yes you should start to be concerned. But I see no indication that they’ll be doing anything for social engineering purposes. Other than probably ignoring the long standing unofficial policy of anyone who’s house gets changed to a different school/pyramid will be changed to a better school/pyramid and instead going with a purely money/capacity saving approach.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Does anyone know if current classes at the time of redistricting are grandfathered in to their school? So if it happens when my youngest is a sophomore, his would be the last incoming class at his school?

With a countywide reboundary they would have to make everyone move right away, there just wouldn’t be the buses to do it any other way.

Likely new boundaries would be announced the summer before the start of school one year and take effect a year later so everyone has time to get used to the idea.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Capacity issues, long commutes, fewer buses, saving taxpayer money. But “equity” wasn’t mentioned. We all know there are some places where capacity, long bus rides, and endless additions for capacity are ongoing. Cough, West Potomac, while Mount Vernon sits underutilized right down the road. I think if that’s your situation (Langley/McLean is potentially another as those schools are in quite close proximity) then yes you should start to be concerned. But I see no indication that they’ll be doing anything for social engineering purposes. Other than probably ignoring the long standing unofficial policy of anyone who’s house gets changed to a different school/pyramid will be changed to a better school/pyramid and instead going with a purely money/capacity saving approach.

Go back and watch the school board meeting where they voted on redistricting studies for the Coates and Parklawn schools. Many board members, led by Kyle McDaniel, talked about helping the disadvantaged communities who don’t “do a good job of advocating for themselves”. It’s incredibly obvious to even the casual observer that this is all about equity.

They talk about saving my kids some sleep and maybe a handful of bus routes, but that savings is like pennies per household. It’s all about equity but they are creating a false reason so that the Supreme Court doesn’t strike it down.

Oh also, equity is board policy now -see One Fairfax that was adopted recently by the school board.

I hate to say it, but it’s time to start holding the Democratic Party responsible for these moves. Sure, the next school board election is three years away, but other Virginia elections that matter a lot for the party are a lot closer than that.