Can we analyze jennifer lopez?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:She is unique in that she is the only celebrity out there now who looks seemingly prettier + younger as the years pass.

Everyone claims she looks great due to cosmetic surgery but if this is the case, then why don’t other celebrities look that good at her age??

I.e., Madonna, Mariah, Gwen Stefani??

Her big mistake is that she ALWAYS needs a man.
For whatever reason - she cannot handle being single.
She needs to swear off men for a few yrs and take that time to figure out her life.

She and Ben Affleck broke up two decades ago & there must have been a good reason for it.

And that same reason is likely the reason that she + him are not together these days.

because it makes her look like a loser. like she is undesirable. it's the ultimate validation. she can be beautiful, rich etc etc but if no-one wants to be with her it's all in vain. there must be a male there to prove that she in fact desirable to men.

[Anonymous]

Garner did The Last Thing He Told Me on Apple TV, mini series. She read the book, wanted the role and got it. She was the lead.

A kick ass movie where it was mostly her was Peppermint in 2018. Critics didn’t like it but it was exactly what I expected.

Sadly I think most female celebs give up career once they have kids. I don’t think JLo did that and there is nothing wrong with that. And nothing wrong with Garner putting kids first (although maybe she had to since Ben had his problems).

I wish we saw more of each in movies of tv shows.

It’s amazing after 40 they can still get roles in Hollywood. Actresses life span in movies usually was about 30-40. The actresses of today are changing that. This is why Jen Aniston and Reese Witherspoon have created there own production companies and shows.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:She has an incredible and relentless work ethic. Probably the best I've ever observed.

Agreed. J Lo even completed a Marathon months after birth to twins. This was in 2008 when her career was in a downswing and she wasn’t getting many roles. She claimed she did it because she ran track nationally in high school and she wanted to get in shape after the babies.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Garner did The Last Thing He Told Me on Apple TV, mini series. She read the book, wanted the role and got it. She was the lead.

A kick ass movie where it was mostly her was Peppermint in 2018. Critics didn’t like it but it was exactly what I expected.

Sadly I think most female celebs give up career once they have kids. I don’t think JLo did that and there is nothing wrong with that. And nothing wrong with Garner putting kids first (although maybe she had to since Ben had his problems).

I wish we saw more of each in movies of tv shows.

It’s amazing after 40 they can still get roles in Hollywood. Actresses life span in movies usually was about 30-40. The actresses of today are changing that. This is why Jen Aniston and Reese Witherspoon have created there own production companies and shows.

Agree her career has been one in 10 million and I don’t get the snobbery or fussing about her “mom roles.” She’s had a steady acting career. Also don’t forget she launched a successful business with her organic kids food thing. Her whole thing these days is being relatable mom. That’s the image she is trying to promote and I think very much who she is. If she walked around constantly looking glamorous and red carpet ready dating an a list actor or athlete she’d not be relatable, would not have a deal with the credit card company, wouldn’t be able to get 10 million hits on Instagram from her pretend cooking shows which are very much her being a regular person in her kitchen making mistakes and messes.

This is a person who has a lane and stays in a very well. Kid movies and mom roles are very much her brand. She probably does have to make some trade offs but it seems like she’s fine with it.

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Anonymous wrote:I think JLo is a better actress than Jen Garner, who is pretty mediocre (also pretty, but mediocre). JLo has real magnetism onscreen, but has done a lot of terrible movies. But Out of Sight, her room com era (the Wedding Planner and Maid in Manhattan), and Hustlers all show her to her best effect. She's not like a method actress or anything, but she knows how to create on screen chemistry with a wide variety of leading men, and she has decent range (pulls off the softness of rom coms surprisingly well IMO).

I think one issue with JLo's career is that she doesn't love acting-- she loves music and dancing. Her "singing" career is her real passion but she doesn't have a good voice or any skill as a writer/musician/producer. She's a dancer. It's a shame because dancing is just not something you can make money doing, so if she wanted to dance but stay at the level she was at as an actress, she had to sing.

I think both Jens are mediocre actresses overall but each has had a few great parts. For Jen G it was 13 going on 30, Alias, and Juno.

I agree that they’re both mediocre. JLo might actually have more range, but Jen G had two iconic roles in Alias and 13 going on 30. JLo can’t seem to decide what kind of actress she wants to be. (She can’t seem to decide on what kind of career she wants overall, she just jumps into everything, singing, rom coms, crime dramas, modeling, documentaries, designing, not doing anything really well, instead of finding something where her passions and talents collide and focusing on that). Jen G had the good sense to know her skills and make some smart choices. She also seems far more content to step away from the limelight and just be a person, obviously, and that’s something JLo will never be capable of.

I think you assume she has more agency over her acting career than she actually does. Neither of these women gets to pick their roles very much. Especially if you want to stick with movies and won't go the Witherspoon/Aniston/Kidman route of creating the roles/career you want by producing TV and streaming. JLo took the roles she was offered. I don't know that she was dying to make a bunch of rom coms, but the industry decided that was a good way to market her and it worked so she made a few. As she aged out of that, I think it's been very hard to find roles that make sense for her as not only a middle aged woman but also a Latina woman. I am sure there were many roles over the years that she went after and lost to people like Julia Roberts, Sandra Bullock, etc. She wanted to be up in their echelon but she was type cast in different ways and it didn't happen. I don't know that you can blame that on her -- I guarantee there were roles that she could have done great things with but she didn't get the opportunities. That's how the acting industry works, especially if your focus is on movies.

I think her music career enabled her to work and perform even though she wasn't necessarily getting the acting opportunities she wanted and that she believed were appropriate for her level. She branded herself as a multi-hyphenate and that worked fairly well -- she's made a lot of money and never really been totally out of the public eye. Women in entertainment really do have to hustle in a way men don't.

Jen G also was, I am certain, quite limited in her roles. She tried to make a pivot to action movies based on Alias, which would be great because there's so much money there, but her one feature (Elektra) was a total flop and after that she was never going to get another opportunity like that (unlike Ben who magically gets to be Batman despite the fact that Daredevil wasn't a huge hit years ago). She did resurrect Elektra for Deadpool but like a lot of her parts in the last 10 years, it's a small role. Sure, she'll say she was focusing on her kids and I believe her. But has also "branded" herself as someone who was focusing on her kid. And so most of the roles she's gotten in recent years are mom roles in lower budget family shows or TV. I'm sure she'd happily take more interesting or higher profile roles. She can't get them.

These women are at the mercy of the market in a way that Ben has never been.

Yea but Jen G pivoted. In terms of money, she makes a ton with all of her promotional stuff, the credit card ads, some skin scare stuff, just saw in a hair ad. And she built a really successful business with the whole organic farming snacks for kids thing. She found a way to keep her income up, keep working, and run a business that probably is really fulfilling.

I know what you mean in that she probably wants to make more important and fulfilling films, but if that’s what being at the mercy of the market means, I’ll take it. No one gets to do their dream job forever with no end. Most actors will never see the success that she has had and will never even get to make one film or show they are proud of… She has a few of those.

As for JLO, same general thing. She got to make a bunch of movies and music and perform. Yes, maybe now she doesn’t get to top roles and her stadium tours anymore. Boo hoo. she’s made plenty of money and she still can have a very lucrative career and stay busy. She just needs to accept that, it what it is, and get over herself a little.

I don’t think she’s capable of that, but she’d probably be a lot happier. I was in utter disbelief of the trailer of her documentary or whatever. Absolutely insane she put that out.

Not a knock on Jennifer Garner, but JLo has worked much more consistently and has made a LOT more money than Garner in the last 10-15 years. She gets better film projects than Garner (much better) and while I don't know this for certain, I am pretty sure that JLo gets a lot more backend on the projects she does than Garner, because her name is a bigger draw at the box office and she has greater ability to get a project made by attaching her name. Like JLo certainly got good backend on Hustlers, which really needed her in order to get made. Can you say the same about any Garner project in the last 20 years, if not ever?

Garner has found a way to make money without getting great roles or even working that much. That's great. It probably makes her a better mom. But JLo is unquestionably more professionally successful. Love her or hate her.

LOL at the bolded. Okay, fangirl.

I'm not a fan, actually. I haven't even seen Hustlers. But.

Garner's last three feature films: Family Switch (played the mom in classic body switch family movie), Yes Day (the mom in family movie about saying yes to your kids), The Adam Project (secondary role in Ryan Reynolds space vehicle). Not awful, but not exciting, and she keeps getting these mom roles. The more she does, the more pigeon holed she gets in them.

Lopez's last three feature films: The Mother (JLo action-suspense vehicle), Shotgun Wedding (co-lead with Josh Duhamel in action-romance, she got top billing), Marry Me (co-lead with Owen Wilson in rom-com, equal billing). Now, I haven't seen any of these movies, but these are better projects -- she's getting top billing, getting more screen time, much meatier roles.

Garner does have another Deadpool movie coming up (and her work on that is likely how she got the Adam Project with RR, so that's fruitful). But her role is still supporting cast. She does not get lead roles in feature films unless they are lighthearted, low budget, family comedies or tear jerkers. That is not any actress's dream.

Yeah, but is this a surprise? If someone had told mid-twenties Jenn Garner when she was starting out, she would be in a very successful show. Do a few successful action movies, do a really successful romcom that people talk about 20 years later, and then still be consistently working in her 50s and be able to make tens of millions through her promotional deals while still being available for her three kids, she probably would’ve jumped at that life. Are we supposed to feel sad that she’s not winning Oscars at this point? It all sounds like a really really good deal to me.

she also married an A lister at his primer, and had 3 kids with him.

Jennifer aniston is more successful Jennifer garner. 99% would choose garner's life over Anistons'.

I don't think that's true. Like for me, I love being a mom so the idea of not being a mom is hard to consider. BUT I also know what it is to love and want the best for your kids, and the thought of being married to an alcholic who cheated on me in such a public and humiliating way, hurting not just me but also our kids... I think I would choose to be single and childless over that, with the bonus of having a lot of control over my career. No matter what Garner does, her kids will always have an addict as a dad, always have to deal on some level, with his mental health issues.

As someone who has a dad who failed, it's not something I wish on anyone but especially not my kids. I think I'd rather just not have kid than do that to them.

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Anonymous wrote:Garner did The Last Thing He Told Me on Apple TV, mini series. She read the book, wanted the role and got it. She was the lead.

A kick ass movie where it was mostly her was Peppermint in 2018. Critics didn’t like it but it was exactly what I expected.

Sadly I think most female celebs give up career once they have kids. I don’t think JLo did that and there is nothing wrong with that. And nothing wrong with Garner putting kids first (although maybe she had to since Ben had his problems).

I wish we saw more of each in movies of tv shows.

It’s amazing after 40 they can still get roles in Hollywood. Actresses life span in movies usually was about 30-40. The actresses of today are changing that. This is why Jen Aniston and Reese Witherspoon have created there own production companies and shows.

Agree her career has been one in 10 million and I don’t get the snobbery or fussing about her “mom roles.” She’s had a steady acting career. Also don’t forget she launched a successful business with her organic kids food thing. Her whole thing these days is being relatable mom. That’s the image she is trying to promote and I think very much who she is. If she walked around constantly looking glamorous and red carpet ready dating an a list actor or athlete she’d not be relatable, would not have a deal with the credit card company, wouldn’t be able to get 10 million hits on Instagram from her pretend cooking shows which are very much her being a regular person in her kitchen making mistakes and messes.

This is a person who has a lane and stays in a very well. Kid movies and mom roles are very much her brand. She probably does have to make some trade offs but it seems like she’s fine with it.

The "mom role" stuff isn't snobbery. Being pigeonholed as a "mom" or a "girlfriend" is professionally limiting. You can play a mom without winding up in the kind of schlocky family movies Garner makes, where she's not playing well-written or nuanced characters, just mom stereotypes. Like Edie Falco has played a mom a bunch of times in her career, but there's a huge difference between Carmella Soprano, Nurse Jackie, and playing a fictionalized version of Pete Davidson's mom in Bubkis, and the kinds of roles Garner gets.

It's not snobbery about mom roles, it's just realism.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:She is unique in that she is the only celebrity out there now who looks seemingly prettier + younger as the years pass.

Everyone claims she looks great due to cosmetic surgery but if this is the case, then why don’t other celebrities look that good at her age??

I.e., Madonna, Mariah, Gwen Stefani??

Her big mistake is that she ALWAYS needs a man.
For whatever reason - she cannot handle being single.
She needs to swear off men for a few yrs and take that time to figure out her life.

She and Ben Affleck broke up two decades ago & there must have been a good reason for it.

And that same reason is likely the reason that she + him are not together these days.

because it makes her look like a loser. like she is undesirable. it's the ultimate validation. she can be beautiful, rich etc etc but if no-one wants to be with her it's all in vain. there must be a male there to prove that she in fact desirable to men.

This is so sad, but I do think it's how many women think and might be how JLo thinks. And I imagine it would be hard to be a celebrity best known for your body/beauty when you have this mentality, but it just leaves no room for you evolve as a person.

I wonder if JLo has dad issues. She and Ben have both mentioned JLo having childhood issues, but as people on the thread have noted, she appears to have had a pretty normal MC or UMC upbringing with an intact family. But dads can do all kinds of terrible things to their kids without physically hitting them or abandoning them. People who grow up with very withholding or judgmental fathers, especially if they are women, can wind up with just no self esteem or this constant need for approval and love that they are always trying to fill. This can happen even if the family looks normal to the outside world. It would explain a lot about her.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:She is unique in that she is the only celebrity out there now who looks seemingly prettier + younger as the years pass.

Everyone claims she looks great due to cosmetic surgery but if this is the case, then why don’t other celebrities look that good at her age??

I.e., Madonna, Mariah, Gwen Stefani??

Her big mistake is that she ALWAYS needs a man.
For whatever reason - she cannot handle being single.
She needs to swear off men for a few yrs and take that time to figure out her life.

She and Ben Affleck broke up two decades ago & there must have been a good reason for it.

And that same reason is likely the reason that she + him are not together these days.

because it makes her look like a loser. like she is undesirable. it's the ultimate validation. she can be beautiful, rich etc etc but if no-one wants to be with her it's all in vain. there must be a male there to prove that she in fact desirable to men.

This is so sad, but I do think it's how many women think and might be how JLo thinks. And I imagine it would be hard to be a celebrity best known for your body/beauty when you have this mentality, but it just leaves no room for you evolve as a person.

I wonder if JLo has dad issues. She and Ben have both mentioned JLo having childhood issues, but as people on the thread have noted, she appears to have had a pretty normal MC or UMC upbringing with an intact family. But dads can do all kinds of terrible things to their kids without physically hitting them or abandoning them. People who grow up with very withholding or judgmental fathers, especially if they are women, can wind up with just no self esteem or this constant need for approval and love that they are always trying to fill. This can happen even if the family looks normal to the outside world. It would explain a lot about her.

She was close to her dad but had a lot of issues with her mom.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Compare the two women and their energy. Look at how happy Ben is when casual with Jenn and his family, and compare that to being stuck in a tuxedo, hair slicked back and trying to appear like the golden Hollywood couple always getting the corner table at Chasen’s.

Actually, he wasn’t happy with either of them. He doesn’t seem able to remain happy in a long term relationship. My guess is that it’s because he’s a fundamentally unhappy person.

Jlo is another piece of work - a big enough narcissist to think, in their 50s, that Ben just hadn’t been with the right person and that everything would fall into place with her.

[Anonymous]

Everybody's chiming in on what went wrong - I think we've covered most of these theories
https://www.thedailybeast.com/jennifer-lopez-and-ben-affleck-split-5-theories-on-what-went-wrong?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Compare the two women and their energy. Look at how happy Ben is when casual with Jenn and his family, and compare that to being stuck in a tuxedo, hair slicked back and trying to appear like the golden Hollywood couple always getting the corner table at Chasen’s.

Actually, he wasn’t happy with either of them. He doesn’t seem able to remain happy in a long term relationship. My guess is that it’s because he’s a fundamentally unhappy person.

Jlo is another piece of work - a big enough narcissist to think, in their 50s, that Ben just hadn’t been with the right person and that everything would fall into place with her.

+1 on all counts

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:She is unique in that she is the only celebrity out there now who looks seemingly prettier + younger as the years pass.

Everyone claims she looks great due to cosmetic surgery but if this is the case, then why don’t other celebrities look that good at her age??

I.e., Madonna, Mariah, Gwen Stefani??

Her big mistake is that she ALWAYS needs a man.
For whatever reason - she cannot handle being single.
She needs to swear off men for a few yrs and take that time to figure out her life.

She and Ben Affleck broke up two decades ago & there must have been a good reason for it.

And that same reason is likely the reason that she + him are not together these days.

because it makes her look like a loser. like she is undesirable. it's the ultimate validation. she can be beautiful, rich etc etc but if no-one wants to be with her it's all in vain. there must be a male there to prove that she in fact desirable to men.

This is so sad, but I do think it's how many women think and might be how JLo thinks. And I imagine it would be hard to be a celebrity best known for your body/beauty when you have this mentality, but it just leaves no room for you evolve as a person.

I wonder if JLo has dad issues. She and Ben have both mentioned JLo having childhood issues, but as people on the thread have noted, she appears to have had a pretty normal MC or UMC upbringing with an intact family. But dads can do all kinds of terrible things to their kids without physically hitting them or abandoning them. People who grow up with very withholding or judgmental fathers, especially if they are women, can wind up with just no self esteem or this constant need for approval and love that they are always trying to fill. This can happen even if the family looks normal to the outside world. It would explain a lot about her.

She loves her dad and said she gets her work ethic, health consciousness , and self disciplined nature from her dad. Her dad is health conscious, doesn’t smoke cigarettes, loved track and was former Army according to her. Her mom is from Spanish Harlem (the same neighborhood as Marc Anthony) so she has the more loud and vivacious personality and street smarts/hot temperament, but she also had the Manhattan flair for theater and fashion that she gave to J Lo

J Lo claims her mother used to play musicals with Barbara Streisand all the time and have her and the girls dress up and act. She dreamed of showbiz herself and passed the love to her daughters.

J Los older sister Leslie actually has the vocal talent and J Lo has said her family would tel her to shut up and let Leslie sing instead . Leslie was a musical theater and opera teacher in the City. She just didn’t have the tenacity for auditions and hated rejection. J Lo says she would kill to have her sisters voice but what her sister lacked in tenacity or courage, she had

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Garner did The Last Thing He Told Me on Apple TV, mini series. She read the book, wanted the role and got it. She was the lead.

A kick ass movie where it was mostly her was Peppermint in 2018. Critics didn’t like it but it was exactly what I expected.

Sadly I think most female celebs give up career once they have kids. I don’t think JLo did that and there is nothing wrong with that. And nothing wrong with Garner putting kids first (although maybe she had to since Ben had his problems).

I wish we saw more of each in movies of tv shows.

It’s amazing after 40 they can still get roles in Hollywood. Actresses life span in movies usually was about 30-40. The actresses of today are changing that. This is why Jen Aniston and Reese Witherspoon have created there own production companies and shows.

Agree her career has been one in 10 million and I don’t get the snobbery or fussing about her “mom roles.” She’s had a steady acting career. Also don’t forget she launched a successful business with her organic kids food thing. Her whole thing these days is being relatable mom. That’s the image she is trying to promote and I think very much who she is. If she walked around constantly looking glamorous and red carpet ready dating an a list actor or athlete she’d not be relatable, would not have a deal with the credit card company, wouldn’t be able to get 10 million hits on Instagram from her pretend cooking shows which are very much her being a regular person in her kitchen making mistakes and messes.

This is a person who has a lane and stays in a very well. Kid movies and mom roles are very much her brand. She probably does have to make some trade offs but it seems like she’s fine with it.

The "mom role" stuff isn't snobbery. Being pigeonholed as a "mom" or a "girlfriend" is professionally limiting. You can play a mom without winding up in the kind of schlocky family movies Garner makes, where she's not playing well-written or nuanced characters, just mom stereotypes. Like Edie Falco has played a mom a bunch of times in her career, but there's a huge difference between Carmella Soprano, Nurse Jackie, and playing a fictionalized version of Pete Davidson's mom in Bubkis, and the kinds of roles Garner gets.

It's not snobbery about mom roles, it's just realism.

She was very likable in the reboot season of Party Down. Ultimately it was sort of a thankless role, but she was very charming in it.

[Anonymous]

Her new film, Atlas, is currently at 8% on Rotten Tomatoes

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/atlas_2024

Everything in her life is a disaster - her film, her flop album, her flop tour, her marriage.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Her new film, Atlas, is currently at 8% on Rotten Tomatoes

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/atlas_2024

Everything in her life is a disaster - her film, her flop album, her flop tour, her marriage.

She was just at a career peak last year. The Mother was one of the most seen Netflix films last year. Marry Me also did very well. She’s had career highs since American Idol without missing.

It’s amazing how just reviving the ghost of the Bennifer media phenomenon derailed her fantastic career at 50+