College Football--Big Ten Expansion

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Anonymous wrote:Some noise about Stanford & UCal-Berkeley having talks with the ACC and the Big 12. Probably true, but could be a ploy to motivate the Big Ten Conference to make an offer or both.

Stanford & Cal do not fit in with Big 12 culture and travelling to ACC opponents would be exhausting & expensive.

Wishful thinking on Cal and Stanford's part. They are not a cultural or academic fit with either conference.

The ACC is loaded with strong academic schools. Granted that Stanford & UCal-Berkeley are exceptional, but many ACC schools are outstanding with respect to academics.

+1. The ACC definitely has some academic heavy weights. Duke, UVA, UNC, and Georgia Tech build the academic core, but then you also have various great programs from medical schools to engineering to journalism. ACC definitely isn’t an academic slouch, and it was arguably of similar academic strength to the old PAC 12.

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Anonymous wrote:The ACC is loaded with strong academic schools. Granted that Stanford & UCal-Berkeley are exceptional, but many ACC schools are outstanding with respect to academics.

Delusional.  Stanford and Cal are several academic levels above all ACC schools.  UVA, UNC, Miami, BC, etc.. aren't even close.

What I don't understand is that Stanford and Cal are loaded in endowment, those schools can reach into the fund to support the athletic department without any issues.  They have so many "rich" alumni there.  One would imagine that 30M/year is a drop in the bucket for Doordash CEO Tony Xu or Stanford Jerry Yang.  Stanford and Cal don't need to join the ACC to get that kind of cash.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The ACC is loaded with strong academic schools. Granted that Stanford & UCal-Berkeley are exceptional, but many ACC schools are outstanding with respect to academics.

Delusional.  Stanford and Cal are several academic levels above all ACC schools.  UVA, UNC, Miami, BC, etc.. aren't even close.

What I don't understand is that Stanford and Cal are loaded in endowment, those schools can reach into the fund to support the athletic department without any issues.  They have so many "rich" alumni there.  One would imagine that 30M/year is a drop in the bucket for Doordash CEO Tony Xu or Stanford Jerry Yang.  Stanford and Cal don't need to join the ACC to get that kind of cash.

Stanford's biggest athletics booster (by quite a bit), John Arrillaga, died last year, which I'm sure complicates things.
Administrations at schools like Stanford and Cal are not willing to open up endowment money that isn't specifically marked for athletics for anything other than a short-term bandaid. They can usually raise money when needed though. Look at what happened when Stanford tried to cut a bunch of sports. Several are now $$ neutral or better for the department.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The ACC is loaded with strong academic schools. Granted that Stanford & UCal-Berkeley are exceptional, but many ACC schools are outstanding with respect to academics.

Delusional.  Stanford and Cal are several academic levels above all ACC schools.  UVA, UNC, Miami, BC, etc.. aren't even close.

What I don't understand is that Stanford and Cal are loaded in endowment, those schools can reach into the fund to support the athletic department without any issues.  They have so many "rich" alumni there.  One would imagine that 30M/year is a drop in the bucket for Doordash CEO Tony Xu or Stanford Jerry Yang.  Stanford and Cal don't need to join the ACC to get that kind of cash.

Yet, no conference wants either school. Gee, I wonder why.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The ACC is loaded with strong academic schools. Granted that Stanford & UCal-Berkeley are exceptional, but many ACC schools are outstanding with respect to academics.

Delusional.  Stanford and Cal are several academic levels above all ACC schools.  UVA, UNC, Miami, BC, etc.. aren't even close.

What I don't understand is that Stanford and Cal are loaded in endowment, those schools can reach into the fund to support the athletic department without any issues.  They have so many "rich" alumni there.  One would imagine that 30M/year is a drop in the bucket for Doordash CEO Tony Xu or Stanford Jerry Yang.  Stanford and Cal don't need to join the ACC to get that kind of cash.

We agree. Stanford & Cal are too good for every other conference so it may be best if the two schools formed their own conference.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The ACC is loaded with strong academic schools. Granted that Stanford & UCal-Berkeley are exceptional, but many ACC schools are outstanding with respect to academics.

Delusional.  Stanford and Cal are several academic levels above all ACC schools.  UVA, UNC, Miami, BC, etc.. aren't even close.

What I don't understand is that Stanford and Cal are loaded in endowment, those schools can reach into the fund to support the athletic department without any issues.  They have so many "rich" alumni there.  One would imagine that 30M/year is a drop in the bucket for Doordash CEO Tony Xu or Stanford Jerry Yang.  Stanford and Cal don't need to join the ACC to get that kind of cash.

Cal is not, “loaded in endowment.” That’s the biggest weakness of the U-C schools.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The ACC is loaded with strong academic schools. Granted that Stanford & UCal-Berkeley are exceptional, but many ACC schools are outstanding with respect to academics.

Delusional.  Stanford and Cal are several academic levels above all ACC schools.  UVA, UNC, Miami, BC, etc.. aren't even close.

What I don't understand is that Stanford and Cal are loaded in endowment, those schools can reach into the fund to support the athletic department without any issues.  They have so many "rich" alumni there.  One would imagine that 30M/year is a drop in the bucket for Doordash CEO Tony Xu or Stanford Jerry Yang.  Stanford and Cal don't need to join the ACC to get that kind of cash.

Cal is not, “loaded in endowment.” That’s the biggest weakness of the U-C schools.

DP Cal's endowment is tricky. If I recall correctly, Cal has its own endowment and may share in a UC system wide endowment--but I am not sure as I am not as knowledgeable as I would like to be about UC system schools.

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Neither school is dipping into the general endowment at scale long-term for sports. The money generated by these deals isn't some massive windfall for the schools; it funds a lot of the athletic departments but that is about it.

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I feel bad for the ACC schools. Colleges should not be humiliated and disrespected like this. The B1G is creating a second class gaggle of institutions.

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This is an important development if true:

https://spartanswire.usatoday.com/2023/08/07/rumor-big-ten-will-most-likely-move-to-10-game-conference-schedule-following-recent-expansion/

An indication that the Big Ten Conference is going to add at least 2 more teams.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is an important development if true:

https://spartanswire.usatoday.com/2023/08/07/rumor-big-ten-will-most-likely-move-to-10-game-conference-schedule-following-recent-expansion/

An indication that the Big Ten Conference is going to add at least 2 more teams.

Which will be the 2 additional schools ?

Might be Stanford & Notre Dame as the ACC teams are not available. Could be UCal-Berkeley and Stanford because Notre Dame prefers to remain independent.

Sometimes I think about the Texas recruiting & media market and wonder whether there might be mutual interest between the Big Ten Conference and a particular university in Texas, but then I woke up.

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If the Big Ten Conference was limited to adding just 2 more schools, which two would be at the top of the Big Ten Conference's wish list ?

In my opinion, the schools that the Big Ten Conference wants more than any other are Notre Dame and the University of Texas.

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Anonymous wrote:If the Big Ten Conference was limited to adding just 2 more schools, which two would be at the top of the Big Ten Conference's wish list ?

In my opinion, the schools that the Big Ten Conference wants more than any other are Notre Dame and the University of Texas.

Texas moved to SEC

Notre Dame and Stanford make most sense

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If the Big Ten Conference was limited to adding just 2 more schools, which two would be at the top of the Big Ten Conference's wish list ?

In my opinion, the schools that the Big Ten Conference wants more than any other are Notre Dame and the University of Texas.

Texas moved to SEC

Notre Dame and Stanford make most sense

Yes, that is the plan for 2024.

Amusing article from the Bleacher report from over 13 years ago (February 16, 2010):

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/346597-texas-and-the-big-ten-great-for-the-big-ten-10-but-horrible-for-texas

The Bleacher report misreported at least twice that the University of Texas was headed for the Big Ten Conference.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If the Big Ten Conference was limited to adding just 2 more schools, which two would be at the top of the Big Ten Conference's wish list ?

In my opinion, the schools that the Big Ten Conference wants more than any other are Notre Dame and the University of Texas.

Texas moved to SEC

Notre Dame and Stanford make most sense

Yes, that is the plan for 2024.

Amusing article from the Bleacher report from over 13 years ago (February 16, 2010):

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/346597-texas-and-the-big-ten-great-for-the-big-ten-10-but-horrible-for-texas

The Bleacher report misreported at least twice that the University of Texas was headed for the Big Ten Conference.

Obviously that would have been significant, but not sure if it makes geographical sense? With at least Stanford, b1g will have solid footing with MW and West Coast (Chicago, Seatttle, LA, etc)