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Anonymous wrote:Romney has already publicly stated he would not take any actions that helped get Trump into the White House, and has been lobbying Manchin not to run.

If Romney was at the top of the ticket, he would be more likely to get Republican/Independent votes than Democrats support him. That would hurt Trump not help him. Most voters do not cast their vote based on the VP nominee with perhaps some exceptions (LBJ helping JFK in Texas).

Who knows what would happen in a 5-candidate race (Biden, Trump, Kennedy, West, Romney)? Right now, Trump is on track to win.

If you believe a poll a year out that says that 22% of African Americans will vote for Trump and so will 40% of the youth. Really. Really.

So many of you are working so hard to get Trump back in office. You really love authoritarianism.

What poll says that? Trump is ahead in all of the key battleground states in a New York Times poll.

Yeah, that’s the poll I’m referencing. Open it up and look at some of the assumptions they’re making; ask yourself if it seems logical.

Then read the accompanying article and ask yourself why they only spoke to Republicans and had the audacity to call them Democrats.

In other words: I wouldn’t put much stock in that poll and if I were you I wouldn’t try to pretend like the GOP hasn’t lost on abortion and isn’t still obsessed with it.

With the exception of Michigan, Trump is also leading in every swing state according to the Bloomberg poll.

Abortion is a state issue not a national one. The Supreme Court has decided.

If the Republicans decide to emphasize a get out the vote strategy in 2024, Biden is toast. It is time to look at other options like Manchin.

If you really believe the bolded, then you are insanely naive and out of touch. Abortion rights have been supported in every state election since Dobbs. And the legislators in red states have still sought to block the will of the voters. Ohio is a perfect example of this.

Federal abortion rights legislation is on the ballot.

Yes, you are making my point. Each state will decide on abortion rights.

Congress can barely fund the Government. It is very unlikely that any Congress will get it together to pass major legislation.

If by "Congress" you mean the Republicans, then sure. If the Dems had enougn votes, they would pass legislation addressing women's health rights as well as immigration.

The Dems had control of Congress and the White House under Clinton, Obama, and Biden, and never got any of this done.

Roe was still in effect and wasn't threatened. There wasn't anything to "get done"

As to immigration, yes, they passed a bill in the senate, but GOP speaker ryan refused to bring it to the house floor.

Anyone who could count knew that there were 5-6 votes to overturn Roe during the Trump Administration. Yet Democrats did nothing in Congress in 2021 and 2022 to pass legislation unlike what many states had already done. During the Obama Administration, nothing was done on immigration despite Democrats controlling both the House and Senate (before there was a Speaker Ryan).

This is why we need a third party.

Our two party system has worked well in the past. What's going on now is just matter of very poor leadership in the two parties that control our two party system. Those two parties need to undergo significant transformation or they need to be dissolved and replaced by progressive and conservative parties of another name. If our two parties nominate Trump and Biden again, there has to be some kind of backlash from the American people against them or else they'll continue to walk all over us and we'll never have a fit president again.

Both sides!

I agree! How do we get rid of them?

They were nominated to run. Focus on the primary if you want a different candidate. No third party candidate will win the presidency. The function of the third party, in effect, is to spoil the election for the Dem or the GOP candidate and allow the other to win.

I’ve often said that I admire the GOP shills’ commitment to their bit. They love the GOP even though it’s rank garbage, but they know no one else likes it. They know they have to slag off on the Democrats as being equally bad.

Not falling for it. It’s the Democrats and their love of rule of law, equal rights, progress for all or the Fascist GOP. That’s the choice. As you say, PP, no third party is going to change anything except for getting the GOP back in power.

"Democrats" aren't the problem and neither are Republicans for that matter. Our rotten political landscape is due to disgustingly poor leadership within the parties and those working behind the curtains at the DNC and RNC. The proof of this is in the pudding. Taste it. Open your eyes. We had the worst president in American history followed up by the second worst president in American history. It isn't the fault of the people these two were elected. If the parties had there poop together, Trump and Biden would have never been seriously considered (maybe Biden 20 or 30 years ago when he was in his prime and competent). Stop blaming the people. We are better than this.

Biden has successfully steered the country out of COVID with the strongest economy in the world. Yes, there is inflation. That is because of a number of factors that preceeded Biden.

He has stitched our western alliance back together. He is trying to thread a ridiculous needle in the middle east and he is nearing raproacahment with China.

In the meantime, he has started the process of transforming the US Economy to something greener and more 21st century, he has jumpstarted blue collar jobs, he has propped up unions, worker rights and wages.

He is clearly NOT the worst president in American History by any economy or subjective metric. That is just a stupid statement.

And yes, Republicans who keep voting for Evangelical Christian Fundamentalists to office who are using their warped interpretation of the Bible to impose their morals on the rest of us, are, in fact, the problem.

Trump is the worst president in modern American history and Biden is the second worst. That's what the sentiment of a majority of Americans tells us in approval ratings. Lifelong Democrat here that isn't afraid to face the truth. Let me guess "fake news"!

So why should no labels help give us back the worst president? No thanks.

No Labels has no candidate. We need something to happen to make sure Trump doesn't get elected for a second term. Trump vs Biden in a head to head match-up with no competition from a 3rd candidate very likely ends up a Trump victory. Call it No Labels, flo shabels, or doe nabels.... I don't care. Just gives us a chance at keeping Trump out of office.

It’s called “support the Democrats and turn your back on the Republicans until they come to their senses” instead of your idiotic BoThSiDeS crap that literally no one falls for but you and the other sad Republicans. That’s it. We have a two party system. The Democrats are single handedly keeping the country afloat and upright while the GOP pries the sides off, disables the navigation and steers us towards storms.

You’re being disingenuous and dumb. It’s Biden or Trump. That’s your choice. If you can’t bring yourself to vote for Biden, you are electing Trump. Evidently your Republican parents gave you one too many participation trophies for losing if you are failing to grasp this.

What world are you living in? Are you aware of Trump and Biden's approval ratings? You are in the minority. The majority of us practical Americans have enough sense to know that neither Trump or Biden should be president from 2025 through 2029. American will be losing if either of these decrepit old men are elected. Smell the coffee.

Smell as much coffee as you want. It will one or the other no how much you cry on DCUM.

Your praise for Biden and Trump is falling on deaf ears and I think you'll be surprised at how many of us don't buy what they're selling in 2024.

You want to live in fantasy land. There will be no victory by a third party candidate. You can't even name a single state that would choose a third party candidate. Get ready for a trump term or a Biden term. or live in la la land if you prefer.

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Anonymous wrote:Romney has already publicly stated he would not take any actions that helped get Trump into the White House, and has been lobbying Manchin not to run.

If Romney was at the top of the ticket, he would be more likely to get Republican/Independent votes than Democrats support him. That would hurt Trump not help him. Most voters do not cast their vote based on the VP nominee with perhaps some exceptions (LBJ helping JFK in Texas).

Who knows what would happen in a 5-candidate race (Biden, Trump, Kennedy, West, Romney)? Right now, Trump is on track to win.

If you believe a poll a year out that says that 22% of African Americans will vote for Trump and so will 40% of the youth. Really. Really.

So many of you are working so hard to get Trump back in office. You really love authoritarianism.

What poll says that? Trump is ahead in all of the key battleground states in a New York Times poll.

Yeah, that’s the poll I’m referencing. Open it up and look at some of the assumptions they’re making; ask yourself if it seems logical.

Then read the accompanying article and ask yourself why they only spoke to Republicans and had the audacity to call them Democrats.

In other words: I wouldn’t put much stock in that poll and if I were you I wouldn’t try to pretend like the GOP hasn’t lost on abortion and isn’t still obsessed with it.

With the exception of Michigan, Trump is also leading in every swing state according to the Bloomberg poll.

Abortion is a state issue not a national one. The Supreme Court has decided.

If the Republicans decide to emphasize a get out the vote strategy in 2024, Biden is toast. It is time to look at other options like Manchin.

If you really believe the bolded, then you are insanely naive and out of touch. Abortion rights have been supported in every state election since Dobbs. And the legislators in red states have still sought to block the will of the voters. Ohio is a perfect example of this.

Federal abortion rights legislation is on the ballot.

Yes, you are making my point. Each state will decide on abortion rights.

Congress can barely fund the Government. It is very unlikely that any Congress will get it together to pass major legislation.

If by "Congress" you mean the Republicans, then sure. If the Dems had enougn votes, they would pass legislation addressing women's health rights as well as immigration.

The Dems had control of Congress and the White House under Clinton, Obama, and Biden, and never got any of this done.

Roe was still in effect and wasn't threatened. There wasn't anything to "get done"

As to immigration, yes, they passed a bill in the senate, but GOP speaker ryan refused to bring it to the house floor.

Anyone who could count knew that there were 5-6 votes to overturn Roe during the Trump Administration. Yet Democrats did nothing in Congress in 2021 and 2022 to pass legislation unlike what many states had already done. During the Obama Administration, nothing was done on immigration despite Democrats controlling both the House and Senate (before there was a Speaker Ryan).

This is why we need a third party.

Our two party system has worked well in the past. What's going on now is just matter of very poor leadership in the two parties that control our two party system. Those two parties need to undergo significant transformation or they need to be dissolved and replaced by progressive and conservative parties of another name. If our two parties nominate Trump and Biden again, there has to be some kind of backlash from the American people against them or else they'll continue to walk all over us and we'll never have a fit president again.

Both sides!

I agree! How do we get rid of them?

They were nominated to run. Focus on the primary if you want a different candidate. No third party candidate will win the presidency. The function of the third party, in effect, is to spoil the election for the Dem or the GOP candidate and allow the other to win.

I’ve often said that I admire the GOP shills’ commitment to their bit. They love the GOP even though it’s rank garbage, but they know no one else likes it. They know they have to slag off on the Democrats as being equally bad.

Not falling for it. It’s the Democrats and their love of rule of law, equal rights, progress for all or the Fascist GOP. That’s the choice. As you say, PP, no third party is going to change anything except for getting the GOP back in power.

"Democrats" aren't the problem and neither are Republicans for that matter. Our rotten political landscape is due to disgustingly poor leadership within the parties and those working behind the curtains at the DNC and RNC. The proof of this is in the pudding. Taste it. Open your eyes. We had the worst president in American history followed up by the second worst president in American history. It isn't the fault of the people these two were elected. If the parties had there poop together, Trump and Biden would have never been seriously considered (maybe Biden 20 or 30 years ago when he was in his prime and competent). Stop blaming the people. We are better than this.

Biden has successfully steered the country out of COVID with the strongest economy in the world. Yes, there is inflation. That is because of a number of factors that preceeded Biden.

He has stitched our western alliance back together. He is trying to thread a ridiculous needle in the middle east and he is nearing raproacahment with China.

In the meantime, he has started the process of transforming the US Economy to something greener and more 21st century, he has jumpstarted blue collar jobs, he has propped up unions, worker rights and wages.

He is clearly NOT the worst president in American History by any economy or subjective metric. That is just a stupid statement.

And yes, Republicans who keep voting for Evangelical Christian Fundamentalists to office who are using their warped interpretation of the Bible to impose their morals on the rest of us, are, in fact, the problem.

Trump is the worst president in modern American history and Biden is the second worst. That's what the sentiment of a majority of Americans tells us in approval ratings. Lifelong Democrat here that isn't afraid to face the truth. Let me guess "fake news"!

So why should no labels help give us back the worst president? No thanks.

No Labels has no candidate. We need something to happen to make sure Trump doesn't get elected for a second term. Trump vs Biden in a head to head match-up with no competition from a 3rd candidate very likely ends up a Trump victory. Call it No Labels, flo shabels, or doe nabels.... I don't care. Just gives us a chance at keeping Trump out of office.

It’s called “support the Democrats and turn your back on the Republicans until they come to their senses” instead of your idiotic BoThSiDeS crap that literally no one falls for but you and the other sad Republicans. That’s it. We have a two party system. The Democrats are single handedly keeping the country afloat and upright while the GOP pries the sides off, disables the navigation and steers us towards storms.

You’re being disingenuous and dumb. It’s Biden or Trump. That’s your choice. If you can’t bring yourself to vote for Biden, you are electing Trump. Evidently your Republican parents gave you one too many participation trophies for losing if you are failing to grasp this.

What world are you living in? Are you aware of Trump and Biden's approval ratings? You are in the minority. The majority of us practical Americans have enough sense to know that neither Trump or Biden should be president from 2025 through 2029. American will be losing if either of these decrepit old men are elected. Smell the coffee.

Smell as much coffee as you want. It will one or the other no how much you cry on DCUM.

Your praise for Biden and Trump is falling on deaf ears and I think you'll be surprised at how many of us don't buy what they're selling in 2024.

You want to live in fantasy land. There will be no victory by a third party candidate. You can't even name a single state that would choose a third party candidate. Get ready for a trump term or a Biden term. or live in la la land if you prefer.

I think you all are making this out to be more complex than it is. Trump and Biden rely on each other to maintain their existence as probable 2024 nominees. The only candidate they have a chance of beating is each other. If Biden backs out and is replaced by a quality candidate, the RNC and Trump supporters would have to move on to another candidate because we all know Trump would stand no chance against a quality opponent. Same goes for the DNC and Democrats if Trump were to back out. Biden at least has a chance against Trump but wouldn't against a quality candidate. This ridiculous little game of cat and mouse the parties are playing is a dangerous game. We need a competent president going forward.

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Anonymous wrote:Romney has already publicly stated he would not take any actions that helped get Trump into the White House, and has been lobbying Manchin not to run.

If Romney was at the top of the ticket, he would be more likely to get Republican/Independent votes than Democrats support him. That would hurt Trump not help him. Most voters do not cast their vote based on the VP nominee with perhaps some exceptions (LBJ helping JFK in Texas).

Who knows what would happen in a 5-candidate race (Biden, Trump, Kennedy, West, Romney)? Right now, Trump is on track to win.

If you believe a poll a year out that says that 22% of African Americans will vote for Trump and so will 40% of the youth. Really. Really.

So many of you are working so hard to get Trump back in office. You really love authoritarianism.

What poll says that? Trump is ahead in all of the key battleground states in a New York Times poll.

Yeah, that’s the poll I’m referencing. Open it up and look at some of the assumptions they’re making; ask yourself if it seems logical.

Then read the accompanying article and ask yourself why they only spoke to Republicans and had the audacity to call them Democrats.

In other words: I wouldn’t put much stock in that poll and if I were you I wouldn’t try to pretend like the GOP hasn’t lost on abortion and isn’t still obsessed with it.

With the exception of Michigan, Trump is also leading in every swing state according to the Bloomberg poll.

Abortion is a state issue not a national one. The Supreme Court has decided.

If the Republicans decide to emphasize a get out the vote strategy in 2024, Biden is toast. It is time to look at other options like Manchin.

If you really believe the bolded, then you are insanely naive and out of touch. Abortion rights have been supported in every state election since Dobbs. And the legislators in red states have still sought to block the will of the voters. Ohio is a perfect example of this.

Federal abortion rights legislation is on the ballot.

Yes, you are making my point. Each state will decide on abortion rights.

Congress can barely fund the Government. It is very unlikely that any Congress will get it together to pass major legislation.

If by "Congress" you mean the Republicans, then sure. If the Dems had enougn votes, they would pass legislation addressing women's health rights as well as immigration.

The Dems had control of Congress and the White House under Clinton, Obama, and Biden, and never got any of this done.

Roe was still in effect and wasn't threatened. There wasn't anything to "get done"

As to immigration, yes, they passed a bill in the senate, but GOP speaker ryan refused to bring it to the house floor.

Anyone who could count knew that there were 5-6 votes to overturn Roe during the Trump Administration. Yet Democrats did nothing in Congress in 2021 and 2022 to pass legislation unlike what many states had already done. During the Obama Administration, nothing was done on immigration despite Democrats controlling both the House and Senate (before there was a Speaker Ryan).

This is why we need a third party.

Our two party system has worked well in the past. What's going on now is just matter of very poor leadership in the two parties that control our two party system. Those two parties need to undergo significant transformation or they need to be dissolved and replaced by progressive and conservative parties of another name. If our two parties nominate Trump and Biden again, there has to be some kind of backlash from the American people against them or else they'll continue to walk all over us and we'll never have a fit president again.

Both sides!

I agree! How do we get rid of them?

They were nominated to run. Focus on the primary if you want a different candidate. No third party candidate will win the presidency. The function of the third party, in effect, is to spoil the election for the Dem or the GOP candidate and allow the other to win.

I’ve often said that I admire the GOP shills’ commitment to their bit. They love the GOP even though it’s rank garbage, but they know no one else likes it. They know they have to slag off on the Democrats as being equally bad.

Not falling for it. It’s the Democrats and their love of rule of law, equal rights, progress for all or the Fascist GOP. That’s the choice. As you say, PP, no third party is going to change anything except for getting the GOP back in power.

"Democrats" aren't the problem and neither are Republicans for that matter. Our rotten political landscape is due to disgustingly poor leadership within the parties and those working behind the curtains at the DNC and RNC. The proof of this is in the pudding. Taste it. Open your eyes. We had the worst president in American history followed up by the second worst president in American history. It isn't the fault of the people these two were elected. If the parties had their poop together, Trump and Biden would have never been seriously considered (maybe Biden 20 or 30 years ago when he was in his prime and competent). Stop blaming the people. We are better than this.

Biden and Trump received 155 million votes combined in 2020. They will get a lot more votes in 2024. Turnout in 2020 was 67%. Third party share of the total popular vote was less than 2%. If there is a groundswell of support for radical change to our current 2-party system, I’m not seeing it.

There is a groundswell of support for someone other than Trump or Biden being elected in 2024. The few remaining Trump and Biden supporters that have a habit of denying facts will surely deny that fact as well, but the rest of will keep hoping, praying, and searching for a legitimate presidential candidate.

While that may be true, ultimately barring death, people will have three choices: Biden, Trump or third party, which = Trump.

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Anonymous wrote:Romney has already publicly stated he would not take any actions that helped get Trump into the White House, and has been lobbying Manchin not to run.

If Romney was at the top of the ticket, he would be more likely to get Republican/Independent votes than Democrats support him. That would hurt Trump not help him. Most voters do not cast their vote based on the VP nominee with perhaps some exceptions (LBJ helping JFK in Texas).

Who knows what would happen in a 5-candidate race (Biden, Trump, Kennedy, West, Romney)? Right now, Trump is on track to win.

If you believe a poll a year out that says that 22% of African Americans will vote for Trump and so will 40% of the youth. Really. Really.

So many of you are working so hard to get Trump back in office. You really love authoritarianism.

What poll says that? Trump is ahead in all of the key battleground states in a New York Times poll.

Yeah, that’s the poll I’m referencing. Open it up and look at some of the assumptions they’re making; ask yourself if it seems logical.

Then read the accompanying article and ask yourself why they only spoke to Republicans and had the audacity to call them Democrats.

In other words: I wouldn’t put much stock in that poll and if I were you I wouldn’t try to pretend like the GOP hasn’t lost on abortion and isn’t still obsessed with it.

With the exception of Michigan, Trump is also leading in every swing state according to the Bloomberg poll.

Abortion is a state issue not a national one. The Supreme Court has decided.

If the Republicans decide to emphasize a get out the vote strategy in 2024, Biden is toast. It is time to look at other options like Manchin.

If you really believe the bolded, then you are insanely naive and out of touch. Abortion rights have been supported in every state election since Dobbs. And the legislators in red states have still sought to block the will of the voters. Ohio is a perfect example of this.

Federal abortion rights legislation is on the ballot.

Yes, you are making my point. Each state will decide on abortion rights.

Congress can barely fund the Government. It is very unlikely that any Congress will get it together to pass major legislation.

If by "Congress" you mean the Republicans, then sure. If the Dems had enougn votes, they would pass legislation addressing women's health rights as well as immigration.

The Dems had control of Congress and the White House under Clinton, Obama, and Biden, and never got any of this done.

Roe was still in effect and wasn't threatened. There wasn't anything to "get done"

As to immigration, yes, they passed a bill in the senate, but GOP speaker ryan refused to bring it to the house floor.

Anyone who could count knew that there were 5-6 votes to overturn Roe during the Trump Administration. Yet Democrats did nothing in Congress in 2021 and 2022 to pass legislation unlike what many states had already done. During the Obama Administration, nothing was done on immigration despite Democrats controlling both the House and Senate (before there was a Speaker Ryan).

This is why we need a third party.

Our two party system has worked well in the past. What's going on now is just matter of very poor leadership in the two parties that control our two party system. Those two parties need to undergo significant transformation or they need to be dissolved and replaced by progressive and conservative parties of another name. If our two parties nominate Trump and Biden again, there has to be some kind of backlash from the American people against them or else they'll continue to walk all over us and we'll never have a fit president again.

Both sides!

I agree! How do we get rid of them?

They were nominated to run. Focus on the primary if you want a different candidate. No third party candidate will win the presidency. The function of the third party, in effect, is to spoil the election for the Dem or the GOP candidate and allow the other to win.

I’ve often said that I admire the GOP shills’ commitment to their bit. They love the GOP even though it’s rank garbage, but they know no one else likes it. They know they have to slag off on the Democrats as being equally bad.

Not falling for it. It’s the Democrats and their love of rule of law, equal rights, progress for all or the Fascist GOP. That’s the choice. As you say, PP, no third party is going to change anything except for getting the GOP back in power.

"Democrats" aren't the problem and neither are Republicans for that matter. Our rotten political landscape is due to disgustingly poor leadership within the parties and those working behind the curtains at the DNC and RNC. The proof of this is in the pudding. Taste it. Open your eyes. We had the worst president in American history followed up by the second worst president in American history. It isn't the fault of the people these two were elected. If the parties had there poop together, Trump and Biden would have never been seriously considered (maybe Biden 20 or 30 years ago when he was in his prime and competent). Stop blaming the people. We are better than this.

Biden has successfully steered the country out of COVID with the strongest economy in the world. Yes, there is inflation. That is because of a number of factors that preceeded Biden.

He has stitched our western alliance back together. He is trying to thread a ridiculous needle in the middle east and he is nearing raproacahment with China.

In the meantime, he has started the process of transforming the US Economy to something greener and more 21st century, he has jumpstarted blue collar jobs, he has propped up unions, worker rights and wages.

He is clearly NOT the worst president in American History by any economy or subjective metric. That is just a stupid statement.

And yes, Republicans who keep voting for Evangelical Christian Fundamentalists to office who are using their warped interpretation of the Bible to impose their morals on the rest of us, are, in fact, the problem.

Trump is the worst president in modern American history and Biden is the second worst. That's what the sentiment of a majority of Americans tells us in approval ratings. Lifelong Democrat here that isn't afraid to face the truth. Let me guess "fake news"!

So why should no labels help give us back the worst president? No thanks.

No Labels has no candidate. We need something to happen to make sure Trump doesn't get elected for a second term. Trump vs Biden in a head to head match-up with no competition from a 3rd candidate very likely ends up a Trump victory. Call it No Labels, flo shabels, or doe nabels.... I don't care. Just gives us a chance at keeping Trump out of office.

Patently false. The poll published in the NY Times was total BS and after review, has been widely criticized. Almost all of the other polls show Biden with a slight lead, which is consistent with broader sentiment.

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Anonymous wrote:Romney has already publicly stated he would not take any actions that helped get Trump into the White House, and has been lobbying Manchin not to run.

If Romney was at the top of the ticket, he would be more likely to get Republican/Independent votes than Democrats support him. That would hurt Trump not help him. Most voters do not cast their vote based on the VP nominee with perhaps some exceptions (LBJ helping JFK in Texas).

Who knows what would happen in a 5-candidate race (Biden, Trump, Kennedy, West, Romney)? Right now, Trump is on track to win.

If you believe a poll a year out that says that 22% of African Americans will vote for Trump and so will 40% of the youth. Really. Really.

So many of you are working so hard to get Trump back in office. You really love authoritarianism.

What poll says that? Trump is ahead in all of the key battleground states in a New York Times poll.

Yeah, that’s the poll I’m referencing. Open it up and look at some of the assumptions they’re making; ask yourself if it seems logical.

Then read the accompanying article and ask yourself why they only spoke to Republicans and had the audacity to call them Democrats.

In other words: I wouldn’t put much stock in that poll and if I were you I wouldn’t try to pretend like the GOP hasn’t lost on abortion and isn’t still obsessed with it.

With the exception of Michigan, Trump is also leading in every swing state according to the Bloomberg poll.

Abortion is a state issue not a national one. The Supreme Court has decided.

If the Republicans decide to emphasize a get out the vote strategy in 2024, Biden is toast. It is time to look at other options like Manchin.

If you really believe the bolded, then you are insanely naive and out of touch. Abortion rights have been supported in every state election since Dobbs. And the legislators in red states have still sought to block the will of the voters. Ohio is a perfect example of this.

Federal abortion rights legislation is on the ballot.

Yes, you are making my point. Each state will decide on abortion rights.

Congress can barely fund the Government. It is very unlikely that any Congress will get it together to pass major legislation.

If by "Congress" you mean the Republicans, then sure. If the Dems had enougn votes, they would pass legislation addressing women's health rights as well as immigration.

The Dems had control of Congress and the White House under Clinton, Obama, and Biden, and never got any of this done.

Roe was still in effect and wasn't threatened. There wasn't anything to "get done"

As to immigration, yes, they passed a bill in the senate, but GOP speaker ryan refused to bring it to the house floor.

Anyone who could count knew that there were 5-6 votes to overturn Roe during the Trump Administration. Yet Democrats did nothing in Congress in 2021 and 2022 to pass legislation unlike what many states had already done. During the Obama Administration, nothing was done on immigration despite Democrats controlling both the House and Senate (before there was a Speaker Ryan).

This is why we need a third party.

Our two party system has worked well in the past. What's going on now is just matter of very poor leadership in the two parties that control our two party system. Those two parties need to undergo significant transformation or they need to be dissolved and replaced by progressive and conservative parties of another name. If our two parties nominate Trump and Biden again, there has to be some kind of backlash from the American people against them or else they'll continue to walk all over us and we'll never have a fit president again.

Both sides!

I agree! How do we get rid of them?

They were nominated to run. Focus on the primary if you want a different candidate. No third party candidate will win the presidency. The function of the third party, in effect, is to spoil the election for the Dem or the GOP candidate and allow the other to win.

I’ve often said that I admire the GOP shills’ commitment to their bit. They love the GOP even though it’s rank garbage, but they know no one else likes it. They know they have to slag off on the Democrats as being equally bad.

Not falling for it. It’s the Democrats and their love of rule of law, equal rights, progress for all or the Fascist GOP. That’s the choice. As you say, PP, no third party is going to change anything except for getting the GOP back in power.

"Democrats" aren't the problem and neither are Republicans for that matter. Our rotten political landscape is due to disgustingly poor leadership within the parties and those working behind the curtains at the DNC and RNC. The proof of this is in the pudding. Taste it. Open your eyes. We had the worst president in American history followed up by the second worst president in American history. It isn't the fault of the people these two were elected. If the parties had there poop together, Trump and Biden would have never been seriously considered (maybe Biden 20 or 30 years ago when he was in his prime and competent). Stop blaming the people. We are better than this.

Biden has successfully steered the country out of COVID with the strongest economy in the world. Yes, there is inflation. That is because of a number of factors that preceeded Biden.

He has stitched our western alliance back together. He is trying to thread a ridiculous needle in the middle east and he is nearing raproacahment with China.

In the meantime, he has started the process of transforming the US Economy to something greener and more 21st century, he has jumpstarted blue collar jobs, he has propped up unions, worker rights and wages.

He is clearly NOT the worst president in American History by any economy or subjective metric. That is just a stupid statement.

And yes, Republicans who keep voting for Evangelical Christian Fundamentalists to office who are using their warped interpretation of the Bible to impose their morals on the rest of us, are, in fact, the problem.

Trump is the worst president in modern American history and Biden is the second worst. That's what the sentiment of a majority of Americans tells us in approval ratings. Lifelong Democrat here that isn't afraid to face the truth. Let me guess "fake news"!

So why should no labels help give us back the worst president? No thanks.

No Labels has no candidate. We need something to happen to make sure Trump doesn't get elected for a second term. Trump vs Biden in a head to head match-up with no competition from a 3rd candidate very likely ends up a Trump victory. Call it No Labels, flo shabels, or doe nabels.... I don't care. Just gives us a chance at keeping Trump out of office.

It’s called “support the Democrats and turn your back on the Republicans until they come to their senses” instead of your idiotic BoThSiDeS crap that literally no one falls for but you and the other sad Republicans. That’s it. We have a two party system. The Democrats are single handedly keeping the country afloat and upright while the GOP pries the sides off, disables the navigation and steers us towards storms.

You’re being disingenuous and dumb. It’s Biden or Trump. That’s your choice. If you can’t bring yourself to vote for Biden, you are electing Trump. Evidently your Republican parents gave you one too many participation trophies for losing if you are failing to grasp this.

What world are you living in? Are you aware of Trump and Biden's approval ratings? You are in the minority. The majority of us practical Americans have enough sense to know that neither Trump or Biden should be president from 2025 through 2029. American will be losing if either of these decrepit old men are elected. Smell the coffee.

Smell as much coffee as you want. It will one or the other no how much you cry on DCUM.

Your praise for Biden and Trump is falling on deaf ears and I think you'll be surprised at how many of us don't buy what they're selling in 2024.

You want to live in fantasy land. There will be no victory by a third party candidate. You can't even name a single state that would choose a third party candidate. Get ready for a trump term or a Biden term. or live in la la land if you prefer.

I think you all are making this out to be more complex than it is. Trump and Biden rely on each other to maintain their existence as probable 2024 nominees. The only candidate they have a chance of beating is each other. If Biden backs out and is replaced by a quality candidate, the RNC and Trump supporters would have to move on to another candidate because we all know Trump would stand no chance against a quality opponent. Same goes for the DNC and Democrats if Trump were to back out. Biden at least has a chance against Trump but wouldn't against a quality candidate. This ridiculous little game of cat and mouse the parties are playing is a dangerous game. We need a competent president going forward.

The voters choose the candidates. Focus your energy on how to get a better outcome from the primary. A third party candidate does not win. They just help trump win.

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Anonymous wrote:Romney has already publicly stated he would not take any actions that helped get Trump into the White House, and has been lobbying Manchin not to run.

If Romney was at the top of the ticket, he would be more likely to get Republican/Independent votes than Democrats support him. That would hurt Trump not help him. Most voters do not cast their vote based on the VP nominee with perhaps some exceptions (LBJ helping JFK in Texas).

Who knows what would happen in a 5-candidate race (Biden, Trump, Kennedy, West, Romney)? Right now, Trump is on track to win.

If you believe a poll a year out that says that 22% of African Americans will vote for Trump and so will 40% of the youth. Really. Really.

So many of you are working so hard to get Trump back in office. You really love authoritarianism.

What poll says that? Trump is ahead in all of the key battleground states in a New York Times poll.

Yeah, that’s the poll I’m referencing. Open it up and look at some of the assumptions they’re making; ask yourself if it seems logical.

Then read the accompanying article and ask yourself why they only spoke to Republicans and had the audacity to call them Democrats.

In other words: I wouldn’t put much stock in that poll and if I were you I wouldn’t try to pretend like the GOP hasn’t lost on abortion and isn’t still obsessed with it.

With the exception of Michigan, Trump is also leading in every swing state according to the Bloomberg poll.

Abortion is a state issue not a national one. The Supreme Court has decided.

If the Republicans decide to emphasize a get out the vote strategy in 2024, Biden is toast. It is time to look at other options like Manchin.

If you really believe the bolded, then you are insanely naive and out of touch. Abortion rights have been supported in every state election since Dobbs. And the legislators in red states have still sought to block the will of the voters. Ohio is a perfect example of this.

Federal abortion rights legislation is on the ballot.

Yes, you are making my point. Each state will decide on abortion rights.

Congress can barely fund the Government. It is very unlikely that any Congress will get it together to pass major legislation.

If by "Congress" you mean the Republicans, then sure. If the Dems had enougn votes, they would pass legislation addressing women's health rights as well as immigration.

The Dems had control of Congress and the White House under Clinton, Obama, and Biden, and never got any of this done.

Roe was still in effect and wasn't threatened. There wasn't anything to "get done"

As to immigration, yes, they passed a bill in the senate, but GOP speaker ryan refused to bring it to the house floor.

Anyone who could count knew that there were 5-6 votes to overturn Roe during the Trump Administration. Yet Democrats did nothing in Congress in 2021 and 2022 to pass legislation unlike what many states had already done. During the Obama Administration, nothing was done on immigration despite Democrats controlling both the House and Senate (before there was a Speaker Ryan).

This is why we need a third party.

Our two party system has worked well in the past. What's going on now is just matter of very poor leadership in the two parties that control our two party system. Those two parties need to undergo significant transformation or they need to be dissolved and replaced by progressive and conservative parties of another name. If our two parties nominate Trump and Biden again, there has to be some kind of backlash from the American people against them or else they'll continue to walk all over us and we'll never have a fit president again.

Both sides!

I agree! How do we get rid of them?

They were nominated to run. Focus on the primary if you want a different candidate. No third party candidate will win the presidency. The function of the third party, in effect, is to spoil the election for the Dem or the GOP candidate and allow the other to win.

I’ve often said that I admire the GOP shills’ commitment to their bit. They love the GOP even though it’s rank garbage, but they know no one else likes it. They know they have to slag off on the Democrats as being equally bad.

Not falling for it. It’s the Democrats and their love of rule of law, equal rights, progress for all or the Fascist GOP. That’s the choice. As you say, PP, no third party is going to change anything except for getting the GOP back in power.

"Democrats" aren't the problem and neither are Republicans for that matter. Our rotten political landscape is due to disgustingly poor leadership within the parties and those working behind the curtains at the DNC and RNC. The proof of this is in the pudding. Taste it. Open your eyes. We had the worst president in American history followed up by the second worst president in American history. It isn't the fault of the people these two were elected. If the parties had there poop together, Trump and Biden would have never been seriously considered (maybe Biden 20 or 30 years ago when he was in his prime and competent). Stop blaming the people. We are better than this.

Biden has successfully steered the country out of COVID with the strongest economy in the world. Yes, there is inflation. That is because of a number of factors that preceeded Biden.

He has stitched our western alliance back together. He is trying to thread a ridiculous needle in the middle east and he is nearing raproacahment with China.

In the meantime, he has started the process of transforming the US Economy to something greener and more 21st century, he has jumpstarted blue collar jobs, he has propped up unions, worker rights and wages.

He is clearly NOT the worst president in American History by any economy or subjective metric. That is just a stupid statement.

And yes, Republicans who keep voting for Evangelical Christian Fundamentalists to office who are using their warped interpretation of the Bible to impose their morals on the rest of us, are, in fact, the problem.

Trump is the worst president in modern American history and Biden is the second worst. That's what the sentiment of a majority of Americans tells us in approval ratings. Lifelong Democrat here that isn't afraid to face the truth. Let me guess "fake news"!

So why should no labels help give us back the worst president? No thanks.

No Labels has no candidate. We need something to happen to make sure Trump doesn't get elected for a second term. Trump vs Biden in a head to head match-up with no competition from a 3rd candidate very likely ends up a Trump victory. Call it No Labels, flo shabels, or doe nabels.... I don't care. Just gives us a chance at keeping Trump out of office.

It’s called “support the Democrats and turn your back on the Republicans until they come to their senses” instead of your idiotic BoThSiDeS crap that literally no one falls for but you and the other sad Republicans. That’s it. We have a two party system. The Democrats are single handedly keeping the country afloat and upright while the GOP pries the sides off, disables the navigation and steers us towards storms.

You’re being disingenuous and dumb. It’s Biden or Trump. That’s your choice. If you can’t bring yourself to vote for Biden, you are electing Trump. Evidently your Republican parents gave you one too many participation trophies for losing if you are failing to grasp this.

What world are you living in? Are you aware of Trump and Biden's approval ratings? You are in the minority. The majority of us practical Americans have enough sense to know that neither Trump or Biden should be president from 2025 through 2029. American will be losing if either of these decrepit old men are elected. Smell the coffee.

And yet, those will be the options. Yes polling shows that people think Trump is insane and Biden is too old. Yes, both parties should elect someone else during their primaries. Guess what, Trump has the GOP nomination sewn up and Biden is the incumbent president. They will both get their party nominations. Since a third party is not viable, those are your choices. If you choose Trump, so be it. If you choose someone other then Biden you are choosing Trump. It is that simple.

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Anonymous wrote:Romney has already publicly stated he would not take any actions that helped get Trump into the White House, and has been lobbying Manchin not to run.

If Romney was at the top of the ticket, he would be more likely to get Republican/Independent votes than Democrats support him. That would hurt Trump not help him. Most voters do not cast their vote based on the VP nominee with perhaps some exceptions (LBJ helping JFK in Texas).

Who knows what would happen in a 5-candidate race (Biden, Trump, Kennedy, West, Romney)? Right now, Trump is on track to win.

If you believe a poll a year out that says that 22% of African Americans will vote for Trump and so will 40% of the youth. Really. Really.

So many of you are working so hard to get Trump back in office. You really love authoritarianism.

What poll says that? Trump is ahead in all of the key battleground states in a New York Times poll.

Yeah, that’s the poll I’m referencing. Open it up and look at some of the assumptions they’re making; ask yourself if it seems logical.

Then read the accompanying article and ask yourself why they only spoke to Republicans and had the audacity to call them Democrats.

In other words: I wouldn’t put much stock in that poll and if I were you I wouldn’t try to pretend like the GOP hasn’t lost on abortion and isn’t still obsessed with it.

With the exception of Michigan, Trump is also leading in every swing state according to the Bloomberg poll.

Abortion is a state issue not a national one. The Supreme Court has decided.

If the Republicans decide to emphasize a get out the vote strategy in 2024, Biden is toast. It is time to look at other options like Manchin.

If you really believe the bolded, then you are insanely naive and out of touch. Abortion rights have been supported in every state election since Dobbs. And the legislators in red states have still sought to block the will of the voters. Ohio is a perfect example of this.

Federal abortion rights legislation is on the ballot.

Yes, you are making my point. Each state will decide on abortion rights.

Congress can barely fund the Government. It is very unlikely that any Congress will get it together to pass major legislation.

If by "Congress" you mean the Republicans, then sure. If the Dems had enougn votes, they would pass legislation addressing women's health rights as well as immigration.

The Dems had control of Congress and the White House under Clinton, Obama, and Biden, and never got any of this done.

Roe was still in effect and wasn't threatened. There wasn't anything to "get done"

As to immigration, yes, they passed a bill in the senate, but GOP speaker ryan refused to bring it to the house floor.

Anyone who could count knew that there were 5-6 votes to overturn Roe during the Trump Administration. Yet Democrats did nothing in Congress in 2021 and 2022 to pass legislation unlike what many states had already done. During the Obama Administration, nothing was done on immigration despite Democrats controlling both the House and Senate (before there was a Speaker Ryan).

This is why we need a third party.

Our two party system has worked well in the past. What's going on now is just matter of very poor leadership in the two parties that control our two party system. Those two parties need to undergo significant transformation or they need to be dissolved and replaced by progressive and conservative parties of another name. If our two parties nominate Trump and Biden again, there has to be some kind of backlash from the American people against them or else they'll continue to walk all over us and we'll never have a fit president again.

Both sides!

I agree! How do we get rid of them?

They were nominated to run. Focus on the primary if you want a different candidate. No third party candidate will win the presidency. The function of the third party, in effect, is to spoil the election for the Dem or the GOP candidate and allow the other to win.

I’ve often said that I admire the GOP shills’ commitment to their bit. They love the GOP even though it’s rank garbage, but they know no one else likes it. They know they have to slag off on the Democrats as being equally bad.

Not falling for it. It’s the Democrats and their love of rule of law, equal rights, progress for all or the Fascist GOP. That’s the choice. As you say, PP, no third party is going to change anything except for getting the GOP back in power.

"Democrats" aren't the problem and neither are Republicans for that matter. Our rotten political landscape is due to disgustingly poor leadership within the parties and those working behind the curtains at the DNC and RNC. The proof of this is in the pudding. Taste it. Open your eyes. We had the worst president in American history followed up by the second worst president in American history. It isn't the fault of the people these two were elected. If the parties had their poop together, Trump and Biden would have never been seriously considered (maybe Biden 20 or 30 years ago when he was in his prime and competent). Stop blaming the people. We are better than this.

Biden and Trump received 155 million votes combined in 2020. They will get a lot more votes in 2024. Turnout in 2020 was 67%. Third party share of the total popular vote was less than 2%. If there is a groundswell of support for radical change to our current 2-party system, I’m not seeing it.

There is a groundswell of support for someone other than Trump or Biden being elected in 2024. The few remaining Trump and Biden supporters that have a habit of denying facts will surely deny that fact as well, but the rest of will keep hoping, praying, and searching for a legitimate presidential candidate.

While that may be true, ultimately barring death, people will have three choices: Biden, Trump or third party, which = Trump.

If this is the case we must all hope, pray, and beg for Trump or Biden to either choose to back out of the race or be forced to back out of the race for some reason. The health of our nation is in the balance.

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Anonymous wrote:Romney has already publicly stated he would not take any actions that helped get Trump into the White House, and has been lobbying Manchin not to run.

If Romney was at the top of the ticket, he would be more likely to get Republican/Independent votes than Democrats support him. That would hurt Trump not help him. Most voters do not cast their vote based on the VP nominee with perhaps some exceptions (LBJ helping JFK in Texas).

Who knows what would happen in a 5-candidate race (Biden, Trump, Kennedy, West, Romney)? Right now, Trump is on track to win.

If you believe a poll a year out that says that 22% of African Americans will vote for Trump and so will 40% of the youth. Really. Really.

So many of you are working so hard to get Trump back in office. You really love authoritarianism.

What poll says that? Trump is ahead in all of the key battleground states in a New York Times poll.

Yeah, that’s the poll I’m referencing. Open it up and look at some of the assumptions they’re making; ask yourself if it seems logical.

Then read the accompanying article and ask yourself why they only spoke to Republicans and had the audacity to call them Democrats.

In other words: I wouldn’t put much stock in that poll and if I were you I wouldn’t try to pretend like the GOP hasn’t lost on abortion and isn’t still obsessed with it.

With the exception of Michigan, Trump is also leading in every swing state according to the Bloomberg poll.

Abortion is a state issue not a national one. The Supreme Court has decided.

If the Republicans decide to emphasize a get out the vote strategy in 2024, Biden is toast. It is time to look at other options like Manchin.

If you really believe the bolded, then you are insanely naive and out of touch. Abortion rights have been supported in every state election since Dobbs. And the legislators in red states have still sought to block the will of the voters. Ohio is a perfect example of this.

Federal abortion rights legislation is on the ballot.

Yes, you are making my point. Each state will decide on abortion rights.

Congress can barely fund the Government. It is very unlikely that any Congress will get it together to pass major legislation.

If by "Congress" you mean the Republicans, then sure. If the Dems had enougn votes, they would pass legislation addressing women's health rights as well as immigration.

The Dems had control of Congress and the White House under Clinton, Obama, and Biden, and never got any of this done.

Roe was still in effect and wasn't threatened. There wasn't anything to "get done"

As to immigration, yes, they passed a bill in the senate, but GOP speaker ryan refused to bring it to the house floor.

Anyone who could count knew that there were 5-6 votes to overturn Roe during the Trump Administration. Yet Democrats did nothing in Congress in 2021 and 2022 to pass legislation unlike what many states had already done. During the Obama Administration, nothing was done on immigration despite Democrats controlling both the House and Senate (before there was a Speaker Ryan).

This is why we need a third party.

Our two party system has worked well in the past. What's going on now is just matter of very poor leadership in the two parties that control our two party system. Those two parties need to undergo significant transformation or they need to be dissolved and replaced by progressive and conservative parties of another name. If our two parties nominate Trump and Biden again, there has to be some kind of backlash from the American people against them or else they'll continue to walk all over us and we'll never have a fit president again.

Both sides!

I agree! How do we get rid of them?

They were nominated to run. Focus on the primary if you want a different candidate. No third party candidate will win the presidency. The function of the third party, in effect, is to spoil the election for the Dem or the GOP candidate and allow the other to win.

I’ve often said that I admire the GOP shills’ commitment to their bit. They love the GOP even though it’s rank garbage, but they know no one else likes it. They know they have to slag off on the Democrats as being equally bad.

Not falling for it. It’s the Democrats and their love of rule of law, equal rights, progress for all or the Fascist GOP. That’s the choice. As you say, PP, no third party is going to change anything except for getting the GOP back in power.

"Democrats" aren't the problem and neither are Republicans for that matter. Our rotten political landscape is due to disgustingly poor leadership within the parties and those working behind the curtains at the DNC and RNC. The proof of this is in the pudding. Taste it. Open your eyes. We had the worst president in American history followed up by the second worst president in American history. It isn't the fault of the people these two were elected. If the parties had their poop together, Trump and Biden would have never been seriously considered (maybe Biden 20 or 30 years ago when he was in his prime and competent). Stop blaming the people. We are better than this.

Biden and Trump received 155 million votes combined in 2020. They will get a lot more votes in 2024. Turnout in 2020 was 67%. Third party share of the total popular vote was less than 2%. If there is a groundswell of support for radical change to our current 2-party system, I’m not seeing it.

There is a groundswell of support for someone other than Trump or Biden being elected in 2024. The few remaining Trump and Biden supporters that have a habit of denying facts will surely deny that fact as well, but the rest of will keep hoping, praying, and searching for a legitimate presidential candidate.

While that may be true, ultimately barring death, people will have three choices: Biden, Trump or third party, which = Trump.

If this is the case we must all hope, pray, and beg for Trump or Biden to either choose to back out of the race or be forced to back out of the race for some reason. The health of our nation is in the balance.

If Biden is reelected, how does that negatively impact the health of the nation? Even if he serves only one day, and Kamala Harris becomes president with his administration in place, things will proceed as they are now.

The only thing that negatively impacts the health of the nation is if Trump wins, and unleashes his retribution on the 75% of the country that hates him.

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Anonymous wrote:Romney has already publicly stated he would not take any actions that helped get Trump into the White House, and has been lobbying Manchin not to run.

If Romney was at the top of the ticket, he would be more likely to get Republican/Independent votes than Democrats support him. That would hurt Trump not help him. Most voters do not cast their vote based on the VP nominee with perhaps some exceptions (LBJ helping JFK in Texas).

Who knows what would happen in a 5-candidate race (Biden, Trump, Kennedy, West, Romney)? Right now, Trump is on track to win.

If you believe a poll a year out that says that 22% of African Americans will vote for Trump and so will 40% of the youth. Really. Really.

So many of you are working so hard to get Trump back in office. You really love authoritarianism.

What poll says that? Trump is ahead in all of the key battleground states in a New York Times poll.

Yeah, that’s the poll I’m referencing. Open it up and look at some of the assumptions they’re making; ask yourself if it seems logical.

Then read the accompanying article and ask yourself why they only spoke to Republicans and had the audacity to call them Democrats.

In other words: I wouldn’t put much stock in that poll and if I were you I wouldn’t try to pretend like the GOP hasn’t lost on abortion and isn’t still obsessed with it.

With the exception of Michigan, Trump is also leading in every swing state according to the Bloomberg poll.

Abortion is a state issue not a national one. The Supreme Court has decided.

If the Republicans decide to emphasize a get out the vote strategy in 2024, Biden is toast. It is time to look at other options like Manchin.

If you really believe the bolded, then you are insanely naive and out of touch. Abortion rights have been supported in every state election since Dobbs. And the legislators in red states have still sought to block the will of the voters. Ohio is a perfect example of this.

Federal abortion rights legislation is on the ballot.

Yes, you are making my point. Each state will decide on abortion rights.

Congress can barely fund the Government. It is very unlikely that any Congress will get it together to pass major legislation.

If by "Congress" you mean the Republicans, then sure. If the Dems had enougn votes, they would pass legislation addressing women's health rights as well as immigration.

The Dems had control of Congress and the White House under Clinton, Obama, and Biden, and never got any of this done.

Roe was still in effect and wasn't threatened. There wasn't anything to "get done"

As to immigration, yes, they passed a bill in the senate, but GOP speaker ryan refused to bring it to the house floor.

Anyone who could count knew that there were 5-6 votes to overturn Roe during the Trump Administration. Yet Democrats did nothing in Congress in 2021 and 2022 to pass legislation unlike what many states had already done. During the Obama Administration, nothing was done on immigration despite Democrats controlling both the House and Senate (before there was a Speaker Ryan).

This is why we need a third party.

Our two party system has worked well in the past. What's going on now is just matter of very poor leadership in the two parties that control our two party system. Those two parties need to undergo significant transformation or they need to be dissolved and replaced by progressive and conservative parties of another name. If our two parties nominate Trump and Biden again, there has to be some kind of backlash from the American people against them or else they'll continue to walk all over us and we'll never have a fit president again.

Both sides!

I agree! How do we get rid of them?

They were nominated to run. Focus on the primary if you want a different candidate. No third party candidate will win the presidency. The function of the third party, in effect, is to spoil the election for the Dem or the GOP candidate and allow the other to win.

I’ve often said that I admire the GOP shills’ commitment to their bit. They love the GOP even though it’s rank garbage, but they know no one else likes it. They know they have to slag off on the Democrats as being equally bad.

Not falling for it. It’s the Democrats and their love of rule of law, equal rights, progress for all or the Fascist GOP. That’s the choice. As you say, PP, no third party is going to change anything except for getting the GOP back in power.

"Democrats" aren't the problem and neither are Republicans for that matter. Our rotten political landscape is due to disgustingly poor leadership within the parties and those working behind the curtains at the DNC and RNC. The proof of this is in the pudding. Taste it. Open your eyes. We had the worst president in American history followed up by the second worst president in American history. It isn't the fault of the people these two were elected. If the parties had there poop together, Trump and Biden would have never been seriously considered (maybe Biden 20 or 30 years ago when he was in his prime and competent). Stop blaming the people. We are better than this.

Biden has successfully steered the country out of COVID with the strongest economy in the world. Yes, there is inflation. That is because of a number of factors that preceeded Biden.

He has stitched our western alliance back together. He is trying to thread a ridiculous needle in the middle east and he is nearing raproacahment with China.

In the meantime, he has started the process of transforming the US Economy to something greener and more 21st century, he has jumpstarted blue collar jobs, he has propped up unions, worker rights and wages.

He is clearly NOT the worst president in American History by any economy or subjective metric. That is just a stupid statement.

And yes, Republicans who keep voting for Evangelical Christian Fundamentalists to office who are using their warped interpretation of the Bible to impose their morals on the rest of us, are, in fact, the problem.

Trump is the worst president in modern American history and Biden is the second worst. That's what the sentiment of a majority of Americans tells us in approval ratings. Lifelong Democrat here that isn't afraid to face the truth. Let me guess "fake news"!

So why should no labels help give us back the worst president? No thanks.

No Labels has no candidate. We need something to happen to make sure Trump doesn't get elected for a second term. Trump vs Biden in a head to head match-up with no competition from a 3rd candidate very likely ends up a Trump victory. Call it No Labels, flo shabels, or doe nabels.... I don't care. Just gives us a chance at keeping Trump out of office.

It’s called “support the Democrats and turn your back on the Republicans until they come to their senses” instead of your idiotic BoThSiDeS crap that literally no one falls for but you and the other sad Republicans. That’s it. We have a two party system. The Democrats are single handedly keeping the country afloat and upright while the GOP pries the sides off, disables the navigation and steers us towards storms.

You’re being disingenuous and dumb. It’s Biden or Trump. That’s your choice. If you can’t bring yourself to vote for Biden, you are electing Trump. Evidently your Republican parents gave you one too many participation trophies for losing if you are failing to grasp this.

What world are you living in? Are you aware of Trump and Biden's approval ratings? You are in the minority. The majority of us practical Americans have enough sense to know that neither Trump or Biden should be president from 2025 through 2029. American will be losing if either of these decrepit old men are elected. Smell the coffee.

I live in a world where thrid-party candidates pull 2-3% in national elections, how about you?

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Anonymous wrote:Romney has already publicly stated he would not take any actions that helped get Trump into the White House, and has been lobbying Manchin not to run.

If Romney was at the top of the ticket, he would be more likely to get Republican/Independent votes than Democrats support him. That would hurt Trump not help him. Most voters do not cast their vote based on the VP nominee with perhaps some exceptions (LBJ helping JFK in Texas).

Who knows what would happen in a 5-candidate race (Biden, Trump, Kennedy, West, Romney)? Right now, Trump is on track to win.

If you believe a poll a year out that says that 22% of African Americans will vote for Trump and so will 40% of the youth. Really. Really.

So many of you are working so hard to get Trump back in office. You really love authoritarianism.

What poll says that? Trump is ahead in all of the key battleground states in a New York Times poll.

Yeah, that’s the poll I’m referencing. Open it up and look at some of the assumptions they’re making; ask yourself if it seems logical.

Then read the accompanying article and ask yourself why they only spoke to Republicans and had the audacity to call them Democrats.

In other words: I wouldn’t put much stock in that poll and if I were you I wouldn’t try to pretend like the GOP hasn’t lost on abortion and isn’t still obsessed with it.

With the exception of Michigan, Trump is also leading in every swing state according to the Bloomberg poll.

Abortion is a state issue not a national one. The Supreme Court has decided.

If the Republicans decide to emphasize a get out the vote strategy in 2024, Biden is toast. It is time to look at other options like Manchin.

If you really believe the bolded, then you are insanely naive and out of touch. Abortion rights have been supported in every state election since Dobbs. And the legislators in red states have still sought to block the will of the voters. Ohio is a perfect example of this.

Federal abortion rights legislation is on the ballot.

Yes, you are making my point. Each state will decide on abortion rights.

Congress can barely fund the Government. It is very unlikely that any Congress will get it together to pass major legislation.

If by "Congress" you mean the Republicans, then sure. If the Dems had enougn votes, they would pass legislation addressing women's health rights as well as immigration.

The Dems had control of Congress and the White House under Clinton, Obama, and Biden, and never got any of this done.

Roe was still in effect and wasn't threatened. There wasn't anything to "get done"

As to immigration, yes, they passed a bill in the senate, but GOP speaker ryan refused to bring it to the house floor.

Anyone who could count knew that there were 5-6 votes to overturn Roe during the Trump Administration. Yet Democrats did nothing in Congress in 2021 and 2022 to pass legislation unlike what many states had already done. During the Obama Administration, nothing was done on immigration despite Democrats controlling both the House and Senate (before there was a Speaker Ryan).

This is why we need a third party.

Our two party system has worked well in the past. What's going on now is just matter of very poor leadership in the two parties that control our two party system. Those two parties need to undergo significant transformation or they need to be dissolved and replaced by progressive and conservative parties of another name. If our two parties nominate Trump and Biden again, there has to be some kind of backlash from the American people against them or else they'll continue to walk all over us and we'll never have a fit president again.

Both sides!

I agree! How do we get rid of them?

They were nominated to run. Focus on the primary if you want a different candidate. No third party candidate will win the presidency. The function of the third party, in effect, is to spoil the election for the Dem or the GOP candidate and allow the other to win.

I’ve often said that I admire the GOP shills’ commitment to their bit. They love the GOP even though it’s rank garbage, but they know no one else likes it. They know they have to slag off on the Democrats as being equally bad.

Not falling for it. It’s the Democrats and their love of rule of law, equal rights, progress for all or the Fascist GOP. That’s the choice. As you say, PP, no third party is going to change anything except for getting the GOP back in power.

"Democrats" aren't the problem and neither are Republicans for that matter. Our rotten political landscape is due to disgustingly poor leadership within the parties and those working behind the curtains at the DNC and RNC. The proof of this is in the pudding. Taste it. Open your eyes. We had the worst president in American history followed up by the second worst president in American history. It isn't the fault of the people these two were elected. If the parties had their poop together, Trump and Biden would have never been seriously considered (maybe Biden 20 or 30 years ago when he was in his prime and competent). Stop blaming the people. We are better than this.

Biden and Trump received 155 million votes combined in 2020. They will get a lot more votes in 2024. Turnout in 2020 was 67%. Third party share of the total popular vote was less than 2%. If there is a groundswell of support for radical change to our current 2-party system, I’m not seeing it.

There is a groundswell of support for someone other than Trump or Biden being elected in 2024. The few remaining Trump and Biden supporters that have a habit of denying facts will surely deny that fact as well, but the rest of will keep hoping, praying, and searching for a legitimate presidential candidate.

While that may be true, ultimately barring death, people will have three choices: Biden, Trump or third party, which = Trump.

If this is the case we must all hope, pray, and beg for Trump or Biden to either choose to back out of the race or be forced to back out of the race for some reason. The health of our nation is in the balance.

We must hope that this country rejects trump. This election is a copy of 2020. We rejected trump then and we will do it again.

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Anonymous wrote:Romney has already publicly stated he would not take any actions that helped get Trump into the White House, and has been lobbying Manchin not to run.

If Romney was at the top of the ticket, he would be more likely to get Republican/Independent votes than Democrats support him. That would hurt Trump not help him. Most voters do not cast their vote based on the VP nominee with perhaps some exceptions (LBJ helping JFK in Texas).

Who knows what would happen in a 5-candidate race (Biden, Trump, Kennedy, West, Romney)? Right now, Trump is on track to win.

If you believe a poll a year out that says that 22% of African Americans will vote for Trump and so will 40% of the youth. Really. Really.

So many of you are working so hard to get Trump back in office. You really love authoritarianism.

What poll says that? Trump is ahead in all of the key battleground states in a New York Times poll.

Yeah, that’s the poll I’m referencing. Open it up and look at some of the assumptions they’re making; ask yourself if it seems logical.

Then read the accompanying article and ask yourself why they only spoke to Republicans and had the audacity to call them Democrats.

In other words: I wouldn’t put much stock in that poll and if I were you I wouldn’t try to pretend like the GOP hasn’t lost on abortion and isn’t still obsessed with it.

With the exception of Michigan, Trump is also leading in every swing state according to the Bloomberg poll.

Abortion is a state issue not a national one. The Supreme Court has decided.

If the Republicans decide to emphasize a get out the vote strategy in 2024, Biden is toast. It is time to look at other options like Manchin.

If you really believe the bolded, then you are insanely naive and out of touch. Abortion rights have been supported in every state election since Dobbs. And the legislators in red states have still sought to block the will of the voters. Ohio is a perfect example of this.

Federal abortion rights legislation is on the ballot.

Yes, you are making my point. Each state will decide on abortion rights.

Congress can barely fund the Government. It is very unlikely that any Congress will get it together to pass major legislation.

If by "Congress" you mean the Republicans, then sure. If the Dems had enougn votes, they would pass legislation addressing women's health rights as well as immigration.

The Dems had control of Congress and the White House under Clinton, Obama, and Biden, and never got any of this done.

Roe was still in effect and wasn't threatened. There wasn't anything to "get done"

As to immigration, yes, they passed a bill in the senate, but GOP speaker ryan refused to bring it to the house floor.

Anyone who could count knew that there were 5-6 votes to overturn Roe during the Trump Administration. Yet Democrats did nothing in Congress in 2021 and 2022 to pass legislation unlike what many states had already done. During the Obama Administration, nothing was done on immigration despite Democrats controlling both the House and Senate (before there was a Speaker Ryan).

This is why we need a third party.

Our two party system has worked well in the past. What's going on now is just matter of very poor leadership in the two parties that control our two party system. Those two parties need to undergo significant transformation or they need to be dissolved and replaced by progressive and conservative parties of another name. If our two parties nominate Trump and Biden again, there has to be some kind of backlash from the American people against them or else they'll continue to walk all over us and we'll never have a fit president again.

Both sides!

I agree! How do we get rid of them?

They were nominated to run. Focus on the primary if you want a different candidate. No third party candidate will win the presidency. The function of the third party, in effect, is to spoil the election for the Dem or the GOP candidate and allow the other to win.

I’ve often said that I admire the GOP shills’ commitment to their bit. They love the GOP even though it’s rank garbage, but they know no one else likes it. They know they have to slag off on the Democrats as being equally bad.

Not falling for it. It’s the Democrats and their love of rule of law, equal rights, progress for all or the Fascist GOP. That’s the choice. As you say, PP, no third party is going to change anything except for getting the GOP back in power.

"Democrats" aren't the problem and neither are Republicans for that matter. Our rotten political landscape is due to disgustingly poor leadership within the parties and those working behind the curtains at the DNC and RNC. The proof of this is in the pudding. Taste it. Open your eyes. We had the worst president in American history followed up by the second worst president in American history. It isn't the fault of the people these two were elected. If the parties had there poop together, Trump and Biden would have never been seriously considered (maybe Biden 20 or 30 years ago when he was in his prime and competent). Stop blaming the people. We are better than this.

Biden has successfully steered the country out of COVID with the strongest economy in the world. Yes, there is inflation. That is because of a number of factors that preceeded Biden.

He has stitched our western alliance back together. He is trying to thread a ridiculous needle in the middle east and he is nearing raproacahment with China.

In the meantime, he has started the process of transforming the US Economy to something greener and more 21st century, he has jumpstarted blue collar jobs, he has propped up unions, worker rights and wages.

He is clearly NOT the worst president in American History by any economy or subjective metric. That is just a stupid statement.

And yes, Republicans who keep voting for Evangelical Christian Fundamentalists to office who are using their warped interpretation of the Bible to impose their morals on the rest of us, are, in fact, the problem.

Trump is the worst president in modern American history and Biden is the second worst. That's what the sentiment of a majority of Americans tells us in approval ratings. Lifelong Democrat here that isn't afraid to face the truth. Let me guess "fake news"!

So why should no labels help give us back the worst president? No thanks.

No Labels has no candidate. We need something to happen to make sure Trump doesn't get elected for a second term. Trump vs Biden in a head to head match-up with no competition from a 3rd candidate very likely ends up a Trump victory. Call it No Labels, flo shabels, or doe nabels.... I don't care. Just gives us a chance at keeping Trump out of office.

It’s called “support the Democrats and turn your back on the Republicans until they come to their senses” instead of your idiotic BoThSiDeS crap that literally no one falls for but you and the other sad Republicans. That’s it. We have a two party system. The Democrats are single handedly keeping the country afloat and upright while the GOP pries the sides off, disables the navigation and steers us towards storms.

You’re being disingenuous and dumb. It’s Biden or Trump. That’s your choice. If you can’t bring yourself to vote for Biden, you are electing Trump. Evidently your Republican parents gave you one too many participation trophies for losing if you are failing to grasp this.

What world are you living in? Are you aware of Trump and Biden's approval ratings? You are in the minority. The majority of us practical Americans have enough sense to know that neither Trump or Biden should be president from 2025 through 2029. American will be losing if either of these decrepit old men are elected. Smell the coffee.

Smell as much coffee as you want. It will one or the other no how much you cry on DCUM.

Your praise for Biden and Trump is falling on deaf ears and I think you'll be surprised at how many of us don't buy what they're selling in 2024.

You want to live in fantasy land. There will be no victory by a third party candidate. You can't even name a single state that would choose a third party candidate. Get ready for a trump term or a Biden term. or live in la la land if you prefer.

I think you all are making this out to be more complex than it is. Trump and Biden rely on each other to maintain their existence as probable 2024 nominees. The only candidate they have a chance of beating is each other. If Biden backs out and is replaced by a quality candidate, the RNC and Trump supporters would have to move on to another candidate because we all know Trump would stand no chance against a quality opponent. Same goes for the DNC and Democrats if Trump were to back out. Biden at least has a chance against Trump but wouldn't against a quality candidate. This ridiculous little game of cat and mouse the parties are playing is a dangerous game. We need a competent president going forward.

The voters choose the candidates. Focus your energy on how to get a better outcome from the primary. A third party candidate does not win. They just help trump win.

Only if they would have otherwise voted for Biden. I don’t think we can assume that. You really think Cornel West voters would vote for Biden? Not a chance. These are people who vote for 3rd party candidates *because* they are guaranteed to lose. They want to act holier than thou—like they are above it all and better than everyone else.

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Anonymous wrote:Romney has already publicly stated he would not take any actions that helped get Trump into the White House, and has been lobbying Manchin not to run.

If Romney was at the top of the ticket, he would be more likely to get Republican/Independent votes than Democrats support him. That would hurt Trump not help him. Most voters do not cast their vote based on the VP nominee with perhaps some exceptions (LBJ helping JFK in Texas).

Who knows what would happen in a 5-candidate race (Biden, Trump, Kennedy, West, Romney)? Right now, Trump is on track to win.

If you believe a poll a year out that says that 22% of African Americans will vote for Trump and so will 40% of the youth. Really. Really.

So many of you are working so hard to get Trump back in office. You really love authoritarianism.

What poll says that? Trump is ahead in all of the key battleground states in a New York Times poll.

Yeah, that’s the poll I’m referencing. Open it up and look at some of the assumptions they’re making; ask yourself if it seems logical.

Then read the accompanying article and ask yourself why they only spoke to Republicans and had the audacity to call them Democrats.

In other words: I wouldn’t put much stock in that poll and if I were you I wouldn’t try to pretend like the GOP hasn’t lost on abortion and isn’t still obsessed with it.

With the exception of Michigan, Trump is also leading in every swing state according to the Bloomberg poll.

Abortion is a state issue not a national one. The Supreme Court has decided.

If the Republicans decide to emphasize a get out the vote strategy in 2024, Biden is toast. It is time to look at other options like Manchin.

If you really believe the bolded, then you are insanely naive and out of touch. Abortion rights have been supported in every state election since Dobbs. And the legislators in red states have still sought to block the will of the voters. Ohio is a perfect example of this.

Federal abortion rights legislation is on the ballot.

Yes, you are making my point. Each state will decide on abortion rights.

Congress can barely fund the Government. It is very unlikely that any Congress will get it together to pass major legislation.

If by "Congress" you mean the Republicans, then sure. If the Dems had enougn votes, they would pass legislation addressing women's health rights as well as immigration.

The Dems had control of Congress and the White House under Clinton, Obama, and Biden, and never got any of this done.

Roe was still in effect and wasn't threatened. There wasn't anything to "get done"

As to immigration, yes, they passed a bill in the senate, but GOP speaker ryan refused to bring it to the house floor.

Anyone who could count knew that there were 5-6 votes to overturn Roe during the Trump Administration. Yet Democrats did nothing in Congress in 2021 and 2022 to pass legislation unlike what many states had already done. During the Obama Administration, nothing was done on immigration despite Democrats controlling both the House and Senate (before there was a Speaker Ryan).

This is why we need a third party.

Our two party system has worked well in the past. What's going on now is just matter of very poor leadership in the two parties that control our two party system. Those two parties need to undergo significant transformation or they need to be dissolved and replaced by progressive and conservative parties of another name. If our two parties nominate Trump and Biden again, there has to be some kind of backlash from the American people against them or else they'll continue to walk all over us and we'll never have a fit president again.

Both sides!

I agree! How do we get rid of them?

They were nominated to run. Focus on the primary if you want a different candidate. No third party candidate will win the presidency. The function of the third party, in effect, is to spoil the election for the Dem or the GOP candidate and allow the other to win.

I’ve often said that I admire the GOP shills’ commitment to their bit. They love the GOP even though it’s rank garbage, but they know no one else likes it. They know they have to slag off on the Democrats as being equally bad.

Not falling for it. It’s the Democrats and their love of rule of law, equal rights, progress for all or the Fascist GOP. That’s the choice. As you say, PP, no third party is going to change anything except for getting the GOP back in power.

"Democrats" aren't the problem and neither are Republicans for that matter. Our rotten political landscape is due to disgustingly poor leadership within the parties and those working behind the curtains at the DNC and RNC. The proof of this is in the pudding. Taste it. Open your eyes. We had the worst president in American history followed up by the second worst president in American history. It isn't the fault of the people these two were elected. If the parties had there poop together, Trump and Biden would have never been seriously considered (maybe Biden 20 or 30 years ago when he was in his prime and competent). Stop blaming the people. We are better than this.

Biden has successfully steered the country out of COVID with the strongest economy in the world. Yes, there is inflation. That is because of a number of factors that preceeded Biden.

He has stitched our western alliance back together. He is trying to thread a ridiculous needle in the middle east and he is nearing raproacahment with China.

In the meantime, he has started the process of transforming the US Economy to something greener and more 21st century, he has jumpstarted blue collar jobs, he has propped up unions, worker rights and wages.

He is clearly NOT the worst president in American History by any economy or subjective metric. That is just a stupid statement.

And yes, Republicans who keep voting for Evangelical Christian Fundamentalists to office who are using their warped interpretation of the Bible to impose their morals on the rest of us, are, in fact, the problem.

Trump is the worst president in modern American history and Biden is the second worst. That's what the sentiment of a majority of Americans tells us in approval ratings. Lifelong Democrat here that isn't afraid to face the truth. Let me guess "fake news"!

So why should no labels help give us back the worst president? No thanks.

No Labels has no candidate. We need something to happen to make sure Trump doesn't get elected for a second term. Trump vs Biden in a head to head match-up with no competition from a 3rd candidate very likely ends up a Trump victory. Call it No Labels, flo shabels, or doe nabels.... I don't care. Just gives us a chance at keeping Trump out of office.

It’s called “support the Democrats and turn your back on the Republicans until they come to their senses” instead of your idiotic BoThSiDeS crap that literally no one falls for but you and the other sad Republicans. That’s it. We have a two party system. The Democrats are single handedly keeping the country afloat and upright while the GOP pries the sides off, disables the navigation and steers us towards storms.

You’re being disingenuous and dumb. It’s Biden or Trump. That’s your choice. If you can’t bring yourself to vote for Biden, you are electing Trump. Evidently your Republican parents gave you one too many participation trophies for losing if you are failing to grasp this.

What world are you living in? Are you aware of Trump and Biden's approval ratings? You are in the minority. The majority of us practical Americans have enough sense to know that neither Trump or Biden should be president from 2025 through 2029. American will be losing if either of these decrepit old men are elected. Smell the coffee.

Smell as much coffee as you want. It will one or the other no how much you cry on DCUM.

Your praise for Biden and Trump is falling on deaf ears and I think you'll be surprised at how many of us don't buy what they're selling in 2024.

You want to live in fantasy land. There will be no victory by a third party candidate. You can't even name a single state that would choose a third party candidate. Get ready for a trump term or a Biden term. or live in la la land if you prefer.

I think you all are making this out to be more complex than it is. Trump and Biden rely on each other to maintain their existence as probable 2024 nominees. The only candidate they have a chance of beating is each other. If Biden backs out and is replaced by a quality candidate, the RNC and Trump supporters would have to move on to another candidate because we all know Trump would stand no chance against a quality opponent. Same goes for the DNC and Democrats if Trump were to back out. Biden at least has a chance against Trump but wouldn't against a quality candidate. This ridiculous little game of cat and mouse the parties are playing is a dangerous game. We need a competent president going forward.

The voters choose the candidates. Focus your energy on how to get a better outcome from the primary. A third party candidate does not win. They just help trump win.

Only if they would have otherwise voted for Biden. I don’t think we can assume that. You really think Cornel West voters would vote for Biden? Not a chance. These are people who vote for 3rd party candidates *because* they are guaranteed to lose. They want to act holier than thou—like they are above it all and better than everyone else.

A vote effects the outcome. Cornel west voters know that trump or Biden will win the election. If they see no difference between those two options they have a screw loose.

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Anonymous wrote:Romney has already publicly stated he would not take any actions that helped get Trump into the White House, and has been lobbying Manchin not to run.

If Romney was at the top of the ticket, he would be more likely to get Republican/Independent votes than Democrats support him. That would hurt Trump not help him. Most voters do not cast their vote based on the VP nominee with perhaps some exceptions (LBJ helping JFK in Texas).

Who knows what would happen in a 5-candidate race (Biden, Trump, Kennedy, West, Romney)? Right now, Trump is on track to win.

If you believe a poll a year out that says that 22% of African Americans will vote for Trump and so will 40% of the youth. Really. Really.

So many of you are working so hard to get Trump back in office. You really love authoritarianism.

What poll says that? Trump is ahead in all of the key battleground states in a New York Times poll.

Yeah, that’s the poll I’m referencing. Open it up and look at some of the assumptions they’re making; ask yourself if it seems logical.

Then read the accompanying article and ask yourself why they only spoke to Republicans and had the audacity to call them Democrats.

In other words: I wouldn’t put much stock in that poll and if I were you I wouldn’t try to pretend like the GOP hasn’t lost on abortion and isn’t still obsessed with it.

With the exception of Michigan, Trump is also leading in every swing state according to the Bloomberg poll.

Abortion is a state issue not a national one. The Supreme Court has decided.

If the Republicans decide to emphasize a get out the vote strategy in 2024, Biden is toast. It is time to look at other options like Manchin.

If you really believe the bolded, then you are insanely naive and out of touch. Abortion rights have been supported in every state election since Dobbs. And the legislators in red states have still sought to block the will of the voters. Ohio is a perfect example of this.

Federal abortion rights legislation is on the ballot.

Yes, you are making my point. Each state will decide on abortion rights.

Congress can barely fund the Government. It is very unlikely that any Congress will get it together to pass major legislation.

If by "Congress" you mean the Republicans, then sure. If the Dems had enougn votes, they would pass legislation addressing women's health rights as well as immigration.

The Dems had control of Congress and the White House under Clinton, Obama, and Biden, and never got any of this done.

Roe was still in effect and wasn't threatened. There wasn't anything to "get done"

As to immigration, yes, they passed a bill in the senate, but GOP speaker ryan refused to bring it to the house floor.

Anyone who could count knew that there were 5-6 votes to overturn Roe during the Trump Administration. Yet Democrats did nothing in Congress in 2021 and 2022 to pass legislation unlike what many states had already done. During the Obama Administration, nothing was done on immigration despite Democrats controlling both the House and Senate (before there was a Speaker Ryan).

This is why we need a third party.

Our two party system has worked well in the past. What's going on now is just matter of very poor leadership in the two parties that control our two party system. Those two parties need to undergo significant transformation or they need to be dissolved and replaced by progressive and conservative parties of another name. If our two parties nominate Trump and Biden again, there has to be some kind of backlash from the American people against them or else they'll continue to walk all over us and we'll never have a fit president again.

Both sides!

I agree! How do we get rid of them?

They were nominated to run. Focus on the primary if you want a different candidate. No third party candidate will win the presidency. The function of the third party, in effect, is to spoil the election for the Dem or the GOP candidate and allow the other to win.

I’ve often said that I admire the GOP shills’ commitment to their bit. They love the GOP even though it’s rank garbage, but they know no one else likes it. They know they have to slag off on the Democrats as being equally bad.

Not falling for it. It’s the Democrats and their love of rule of law, equal rights, progress for all or the Fascist GOP. That’s the choice. As you say, PP, no third party is going to change anything except for getting the GOP back in power.

"Democrats" aren't the problem and neither are Republicans for that matter. Our rotten political landscape is due to disgustingly poor leadership within the parties and those working behind the curtains at the DNC and RNC. The proof of this is in the pudding. Taste it. Open your eyes. We had the worst president in American history followed up by the second worst president in American history. It isn't the fault of the people these two were elected. If the parties had there poop together, Trump and Biden would have never been seriously considered (maybe Biden 20 or 30 years ago when he was in his prime and competent). Stop blaming the people. We are better than this.

Biden has successfully steered the country out of COVID with the strongest economy in the world. Yes, there is inflation. That is because of a number of factors that preceeded Biden.

He has stitched our western alliance back together. He is trying to thread a ridiculous needle in the middle east and he is nearing raproacahment with China.

In the meantime, he has started the process of transforming the US Economy to something greener and more 21st century, he has jumpstarted blue collar jobs, he has propped up unions, worker rights and wages.

He is clearly NOT the worst president in American History by any economy or subjective metric. That is just a stupid statement.

And yes, Republicans who keep voting for Evangelical Christian Fundamentalists to office who are using their warped interpretation of the Bible to impose their morals on the rest of us, are, in fact, the problem.

Trump is the worst president in modern American history and Biden is the second worst. That's what the sentiment of a majority of Americans tells us in approval ratings. Lifelong Democrat here that isn't afraid to face the truth. Let me guess "fake news"!

So why should no labels help give us back the worst president? No thanks.

No Labels has no candidate. We need something to happen to make sure Trump doesn't get elected for a second term. Trump vs Biden in a head to head match-up with no competition from a 3rd candidate very likely ends up a Trump victory. Call it No Labels, flo shabels, or doe nabels.... I don't care. Just gives us a chance at keeping Trump out of office.

It’s called “support the Democrats and turn your back on the Republicans until they come to their senses” instead of your idiotic BoThSiDeS crap that literally no one falls for but you and the other sad Republicans. That’s it. We have a two party system. The Democrats are single handedly keeping the country afloat and upright while the GOP pries the sides off, disables the navigation and steers us towards storms.

You’re being disingenuous and dumb. It’s Biden or Trump. That’s your choice. If you can’t bring yourself to vote for Biden, you are electing Trump. Evidently your Republican parents gave you one too many participation trophies for losing if you are failing to grasp this.

What world are you living in? Are you aware of Trump and Biden's approval ratings? You are in the minority. The majority of us practical Americans have enough sense to know that neither Trump or Biden should be president from 2025 through 2029. American will be losing if either of these decrepit old men are elected. Smell the coffee.

Smell as much coffee as you want. It will one or the other no how much you cry on DCUM.

Your praise for Biden and Trump is falling on deaf ears and I think you'll be surprised at how many of us don't buy what they're selling in 2024.

You want to live in fantasy land. There will be no victory by a third party candidate. You can't even name a single state that would choose a third party candidate. Get ready for a trump term or a Biden term. or live in la la land if you prefer.

I think you all are making this out to be more complex than it is. Trump and Biden rely on each other to maintain their existence as probable 2024 nominees. The only candidate they have a chance of beating is each other. If Biden backs out and is replaced by a quality candidate, the RNC and Trump supporters would have to move on to another candidate because we all know Trump would stand no chance against a quality opponent. Same goes for the DNC and Democrats if Trump were to back out. Biden at least has a chance against Trump but wouldn't against a quality candidate. This ridiculous little game of cat and mouse the parties are playing is a dangerous game. We need a competent president going forward.

The voters choose the candidates. Focus your energy on how to get a better outcome from the primary. A third party candidate does not win. They just help trump win.

Only if they would have otherwise voted for Biden. I don’t think we can assume that. You really think Cornel West voters would vote for Biden? Not a chance. These are people who vote for 3rd party candidates *because* they are guaranteed to lose. They want to act holier than thou—like they are above it all and better than everyone else.

A vote affects the outcome. Cornel west voters know that trump or Biden will win the election. If they see no difference between those two options they have a screw loose.

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Say it with me: Nader, Nader, Sanders/Stein. A third party candidate will not win. No matter how much Republicans want to shill for them, no matter how much the holier than thou think a third party vote sends a *mysterious* message, a third party candidate is a waste of a vote and can negatively affect the outcome.

But No Labels, with their squishy-squashy forced birther beliefs? They’re working hard to get Trump back in.

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Anonymous wrote:Romney has already publicly stated he would not take any actions that helped get Trump into the White House, and has been lobbying Manchin not to run.

If Romney was at the top of the ticket, he would be more likely to get Republican/Independent votes than Democrats support him. That would hurt Trump not help him. Most voters do not cast their vote based on the VP nominee with perhaps some exceptions (LBJ helping JFK in Texas).

Who knows what would happen in a 5-candidate race (Biden, Trump, Kennedy, West, Romney)? Right now, Trump is on track to win.

If you believe a poll a year out that says that 22% of African Americans will vote for Trump and so will 40% of the youth. Really. Really.

So many of you are working so hard to get Trump back in office. You really love authoritarianism.

What poll says that? Trump is ahead in all of the key battleground states in a New York Times poll.

Yeah, that’s the poll I’m referencing. Open it up and look at some of the assumptions they’re making; ask yourself if it seems logical.

Then read the accompanying article and ask yourself why they only spoke to Republicans and had the audacity to call them Democrats.

In other words: I wouldn’t put much stock in that poll and if I were you I wouldn’t try to pretend like the GOP hasn’t lost on abortion and isn’t still obsessed with it.

With the exception of Michigan, Trump is also leading in every swing state according to the Bloomberg poll.

Abortion is a state issue not a national one. The Supreme Court has decided.

If the Republicans decide to emphasize a get out the vote strategy in 2024, Biden is toast. It is time to look at other options like Manchin.

If you really believe the bolded, then you are insanely naive and out of touch. Abortion rights have been supported in every state election since Dobbs. And the legislators in red states have still sought to block the will of the voters. Ohio is a perfect example of this.

Federal abortion rights legislation is on the ballot.

Yes, you are making my point. Each state will decide on abortion rights.

Congress can barely fund the Government. It is very unlikely that any Congress will get it together to pass major legislation.

If by "Congress" you mean the Republicans, then sure. If the Dems had enougn votes, they would pass legislation addressing women's health rights as well as immigration.

The Dems had control of Congress and the White House under Clinton, Obama, and Biden, and never got any of this done.

Roe was still in effect and wasn't threatened. There wasn't anything to "get done"

As to immigration, yes, they passed a bill in the senate, but GOP speaker ryan refused to bring it to the house floor.

Anyone who could count knew that there were 5-6 votes to overturn Roe during the Trump Administration. Yet Democrats did nothing in Congress in 2021 and 2022 to pass legislation unlike what many states had already done. During the Obama Administration, nothing was done on immigration despite Democrats controlling both the House and Senate (before there was a Speaker Ryan).

This is why we need a third party.

Our two party system has worked well in the past. What's going on now is just matter of very poor leadership in the two parties that control our two party system. Those two parties need to undergo significant transformation or they need to be dissolved and replaced by progressive and conservative parties of another name. If our two parties nominate Trump and Biden again, there has to be some kind of backlash from the American people against them or else they'll continue to walk all over us and we'll never have a fit president again.

Both sides!

I agree! How do we get rid of them?

They were nominated to run. Focus on the primary if you want a different candidate. No third party candidate will win the presidency. The function of the third party, in effect, is to spoil the election for the Dem or the GOP candidate and allow the other to win.

I’ve often said that I admire the GOP shills’ commitment to their bit. They love the GOP even though it’s rank garbage, but they know no one else likes it. They know they have to slag off on the Democrats as being equally bad.

Not falling for it. It’s the Democrats and their love of rule of law, equal rights, progress for all or the Fascist GOP. That’s the choice. As you say, PP, no third party is going to change anything except for getting the GOP back in power.

"Democrats" aren't the problem and neither are Republicans for that matter. Our rotten political landscape is due to disgustingly poor leadership within the parties and those working behind the curtains at the DNC and RNC. The proof of this is in the pudding. Taste it. Open your eyes. We had the worst president in American history followed up by the second worst president in American history. It isn't the fault of the people these two were elected. If the parties had their poop together, Trump and Biden would have never been seriously considered (maybe Biden 20 or 30 years ago when he was in his prime and competent). Stop blaming the people. We are better than this.

Biden and Trump received 155 million votes combined in 2020. They will get a lot more votes in 2024. Turnout in 2020 was 67%. Third party share of the total popular vote was less than 2%. If there is a groundswell of support for radical change to our current 2-party system, I’m not seeing it.

There is a groundswell of support for someone other than Trump or Biden being elected in 2024. The few remaining Trump and Biden supporters that have a habit of denying facts will surely deny that fact as well, but the rest of will keep hoping, praying, and searching for a legitimate presidential candidate.

While that may be true, ultimately barring death, people will have three choices: Biden, Trump or third party, which = Trump.

If this is the case we must all hope, pray, and beg for Trump or Biden to either choose to back out of the race or be forced to back out of the race for some reason. The health of our nation is in the balance.

If Biden is reelected, how does that negatively impact the health of the nation? Even if he serves only one day, and Kamala Harris becomes president with his administration in place, things will proceed as they are now.

The only thing that negatively impacts the health of the nation is if Trump wins, and unleashes his retribution on the 75% of the country that hates him.

"If Biden is reelected". The "if" is the problem. We need certainties with a candidate that can keep Trump out of office. Biden gives us uncertainty. It wouldn't be difficult to find a candidate that would give us certainty of a victory over someone as awful as Trump.

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Anonymous wrote:Romney has already publicly stated he would not take any actions that helped get Trump into the White House, and has been lobbying Manchin not to run.

If Romney was at the top of the ticket, he would be more likely to get Republican/Independent votes than Democrats support him. That would hurt Trump not help him. Most voters do not cast their vote based on the VP nominee with perhaps some exceptions (LBJ helping JFK in Texas).

Who knows what would happen in a 5-candidate race (Biden, Trump, Kennedy, West, Romney)? Right now, Trump is on track to win.

If you believe a poll a year out that says that 22% of African Americans will vote for Trump and so will 40% of the youth. Really. Really.

So many of you are working so hard to get Trump back in office. You really love authoritarianism.

What poll says that? Trump is ahead in all of the key battleground states in a New York Times poll.

Yeah, that’s the poll I’m referencing. Open it up and look at some of the assumptions they’re making; ask yourself if it seems logical.

Then read the accompanying article and ask yourself why they only spoke to Republicans and had the audacity to call them Democrats.

In other words: I wouldn’t put much stock in that poll and if I were you I wouldn’t try to pretend like the GOP hasn’t lost on abortion and isn’t still obsessed with it.

With the exception of Michigan, Trump is also leading in every swing state according to the Bloomberg poll.

Abortion is a state issue not a national one. The Supreme Court has decided.

If the Republicans decide to emphasize a get out the vote strategy in 2024, Biden is toast. It is time to look at other options like Manchin.

If you really believe the bolded, then you are insanely naive and out of touch. Abortion rights have been supported in every state election since Dobbs. And the legislators in red states have still sought to block the will of the voters. Ohio is a perfect example of this.

Federal abortion rights legislation is on the ballot.

Yes, you are making my point. Each state will decide on abortion rights.

Congress can barely fund the Government. It is very unlikely that any Congress will get it together to pass major legislation.

If by "Congress" you mean the Republicans, then sure. If the Dems had enougn votes, they would pass legislation addressing women's health rights as well as immigration.

The Dems had control of Congress and the White House under Clinton, Obama, and Biden, and never got any of this done.

Roe was still in effect and wasn't threatened. There wasn't anything to "get done"

As to immigration, yes, they passed a bill in the senate, but GOP speaker ryan refused to bring it to the house floor.

Anyone who could count knew that there were 5-6 votes to overturn Roe during the Trump Administration. Yet Democrats did nothing in Congress in 2021 and 2022 to pass legislation unlike what many states had already done. During the Obama Administration, nothing was done on immigration despite Democrats controlling both the House and Senate (before there was a Speaker Ryan).

This is why we need a third party.

Our two party system has worked well in the past. What's going on now is just matter of very poor leadership in the two parties that control our two party system. Those two parties need to undergo significant transformation or they need to be dissolved and replaced by progressive and conservative parties of another name. If our two parties nominate Trump and Biden again, there has to be some kind of backlash from the American people against them or else they'll continue to walk all over us and we'll never have a fit president again.

Both sides!

I agree! How do we get rid of them?

They were nominated to run. Focus on the primary if you want a different candidate. No third party candidate will win the presidency. The function of the third party, in effect, is to spoil the election for the Dem or the GOP candidate and allow the other to win.

I’ve often said that I admire the GOP shills’ commitment to their bit. They love the GOP even though it’s rank garbage, but they know no one else likes it. They know they have to slag off on the Democrats as being equally bad.

Not falling for it. It’s the Democrats and their love of rule of law, equal rights, progress for all or the Fascist GOP. That’s the choice. As you say, PP, no third party is going to change anything except for getting the GOP back in power.

"Democrats" aren't the problem and neither are Republicans for that matter. Our rotten political landscape is due to disgustingly poor leadership within the parties and those working behind the curtains at the DNC and RNC. The proof of this is in the pudding. Taste it. Open your eyes. We had the worst president in American history followed up by the second worst president in American history. It isn't the fault of the people these two were elected. If the parties had there poop together, Trump and Biden would have never been seriously considered (maybe Biden 20 or 30 years ago when he was in his prime and competent). Stop blaming the people. We are better than this.

Biden has successfully steered the country out of COVID with the strongest economy in the world. Yes, there is inflation. That is because of a number of factors that preceeded Biden.

He has stitched our western alliance back together. He is trying to thread a ridiculous needle in the middle east and he is nearing raproacahment with China.

In the meantime, he has started the process of transforming the US Economy to something greener and more 21st century, he has jumpstarted blue collar jobs, he has propped up unions, worker rights and wages.

He is clearly NOT the worst president in American History by any economy or subjective metric. That is just a stupid statement.

And yes, Republicans who keep voting for Evangelical Christian Fundamentalists to office who are using their warped interpretation of the Bible to impose their morals on the rest of us, are, in fact, the problem.

Trump is the worst president in modern American history and Biden is the second worst. That's what the sentiment of a majority of Americans tells us in approval ratings. Lifelong Democrat here that isn't afraid to face the truth. Let me guess "fake news"!

So why should no labels help give us back the worst president? No thanks.

No Labels has no candidate. We need something to happen to make sure Trump doesn't get elected for a second term. Trump vs Biden in a head to head match-up with no competition from a 3rd candidate very likely ends up a Trump victory. Call it No Labels, flo shabels, or doe nabels.... I don't care. Just gives us a chance at keeping Trump out of office.

It’s called “support the Democrats and turn your back on the Republicans until they come to their senses” instead of your idiotic BoThSiDeS crap that literally no one falls for but you and the other sad Republicans. That’s it. We have a two party system. The Democrats are single handedly keeping the country afloat and upright while the GOP pries the sides off, disables the navigation and steers us towards storms.

You’re being disingenuous and dumb. It’s Biden or Trump. That’s your choice. If you can’t bring yourself to vote for Biden, you are electing Trump. Evidently your Republican parents gave you one too many participation trophies for losing if you are failing to grasp this.

What world are you living in? Are you aware of Trump and Biden's approval ratings? You are in the minority. The majority of us practical Americans have enough sense to know that neither Trump or Biden should be president from 2025 through 2029. American will be losing if either of these decrepit old men are elected. Smell the coffee.

Smell as much coffee as you want. It will one or the other no how much you cry on DCUM.

Your praise for Biden and Trump is falling on deaf ears and I think you'll be surprised at how many of us don't buy what they're selling in 2024.

You want to live in fantasy land. There will be no victory by a third party candidate. You can't even name a single state that would choose a third party candidate. Get ready for a trump term or a Biden term. or live in la la land if you prefer.

I think you all are making this out to be more complex than it is. Trump and Biden rely on each other to maintain their existence as probable 2024 nominees. The only candidate they have a chance of beating is each other. If Biden backs out and is replaced by a quality candidate, the RNC and Trump supporters would have to move on to another candidate because we all know Trump would stand no chance against a quality opponent. Same goes for the DNC and Democrats if Trump were to back out. Biden at least has a chance against Trump but wouldn't against a quality candidate. This ridiculous little game of cat and mouse the parties are playing is a dangerous game. We need a competent president going forward.

The voters choose the candidates. Focus your energy on how to get a better outcome from the primary. A third party candidate does not win. They just help trump win.

Only if they would have otherwise voted for Biden. I don’t think we can assume that. You really think Cornel West voters would vote for Biden? Not a chance. These are people who vote for 3rd party candidates *because* they are guaranteed to lose. They want to act holier than thou—like they are above it all and better than everyone else.

If you think Trump and Biden are worthy of presidential nominations in 2024, yes, I am indeed holier and a lot wiser than you.