Succession - Season 4

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Anonymous wrote:Does everyone here know the actor who plays Tom also played Mr. Darcy like a decade ago?

Looking like a man about to head off for some spelunking!

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Anonymous wrote:I love how Tom has become less of a yokel and a better sexual equal for Shiv. That discussion about how he loves money was amazing. Are these two crazy kids going to make it work after all??

I don't think so. I think this is a brief reprieve before the shit really hits the fan between them.

I’ve always had inklings that Tom was going to eventually hit Shiv. A long time ago when she was belittling him during a dinner date with another couple and he snapped at her- I saw it then- and that, combined with his cruelty to Greg and his smarmy niceness to Shiv most of the time…. And now, when he bit her and she was like “oh you finally made me feel something” …. I could be off base but I really could see him being a closet abuser. And shiv, with her history of trauma and abuse, would probably “love” him more when he did.

You are way off base. Stop making up back stories that aren't a thing.

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Anonymous wrote:When Shiv was crying in the dark room, she was looking at her phone, and this was after the assistant made a deal about "your appointment." She could very well have just scheduled some time to cry, like she told Tom. But could there be something else, too?

I thought it was related to the pregnancy.

Ooh, I just had a thought. Shiv had scheduled time in that room and she also received a phone call right as Tom walked in, but she flipped her phone over immediately so he couldn't see. Could she have been about to schedule an abortion?
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I got the sense she was reviewing bad news. Or watching an ultrasound, or something related to the pregnancy, that made her sad, because her family had fallen apart. The specific thing is less important than the fact that Tom came in and then they seemed to flirt with rekindling things, or newly balancing their relationship.

DP. She was crying, obviously upset, and had a scheduled time in that room. Someone called her, seemingly right on schedule. I think she had set up a time to speak with the doctor re: scheduling an abortion. And Tom walked in right at that moment, which totally threw her off. I would bet anything that's why she was in there.

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Anonymous wrote:Does everyone here know the actor who plays Tom also played Mr. Darcy like a decade ago?

Yep. My mom didn't believe me when I told her though. She couldn't square smarmy Tom with the devastatingly romantic Mr. Darcy.

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Anonymous wrote:When Shiv was crying in the dark room, she was looking at her phone, and this was after the assistant made a deal about "your appointment." She could very well have just scheduled some time to cry, like she told Tom. But could there be something else, too?

I thought it was related to the pregnancy.

Ooh, I just had a thought. Shiv had scheduled time in that room and she also received a phone call right as Tom walked in, but she flipped her phone over immediately so he couldn't see. Could she have been about to schedule an abortion?
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I got the sense she was reviewing bad news. Or watching an ultrasound, or something related to the pregnancy, that made her sad, because her family had fallen apart. The specific thing is less important than the fact that Tom came in and then they seemed to flirt with rekindling things, or newly balancing their relationship.

I think I heard on today's official podcast that Shiv was listening to an old voice mail of Tom's, just to hear his voice. She's lonely.

DP. She was crying, obviously upset, and had a scheduled time in that room. Someone called her, seemingly right on schedule. I think she had set up a time to speak with the doctor re: scheduling an abortion. And Tom walked in right at that moment, which totally threw her off. I would bet anything that's why she was in there.

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I think I heard on today's official podcast that Shiv was listening to an old voice mail of Tom's, just to hear his voice. She's lonely.

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WTH kind of name is "Wambsgans"? Sounds like it was completely made up.

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Anonymous wrote:I love how Tom has become less of a yokel and a better sexual equal for Shiv. That discussion about how he loves money was amazing. Are these two crazy kids going to make it work after all??

I don't think so. I think this is a brief reprieve before the shit really hits the fan between them.

I’ve always had inklings that Tom was going to eventually hit Shiv. A long time ago when she was belittling him during a dinner date with another couple and he snapped at her- I saw it then- and that, combined with his cruelty to Greg and his smarmy niceness to Shiv most of the time…. And now, when he bit her and she was like “oh you finally made me feel something” …. I could be off base but I really could see him being a closet abuser. And shiv, with her history of trauma and abuse, would probably “love” him more when he did.

I don't get that vibe at all. In fact, I think Tom has steeled himself to take an awful lot. Tom doesn't really lose control.

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And he would never hit Shiv. He's actually very chivalrous with her.

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Anonymous wrote:This episode didn't do it for me. No way are Roman and Kendall truly such enormous buffoons.

I also don't get why Gerri gets so many accolades...she's just a standard frazzled corporate stand-in who hasn't really developed a character.

Shiv and Tom though: Wow. Both tremendous actors and an awesome story arc. More of them, please.

I’ve been disappointed in Geri this season. The writers haven’t given her much to work with.

I thought the scene with her and Roman last night was really good though. Also the scenes with Roman in the episode where Logan died.

I think it's building to something, too. I think something is going to go down with all the old guard at Waystar -- Geri, Karl, and I guess Frank. This episode had Geri threatening/going toe to toe with Roman, and Karl threatening Kendall. Geri is a successful General Counsel who has no doubt filed away every inappropriate text Roman has ever sent her (including last season's dick pic) and Karl is a CFO who knows where all the financial bodies are buried. If one (or both together) decided they wanted to bury the Roys, they could. I think they are both more likely to simply use this information to get the payout or job they want (neither of them is going to turn whistleblower -- they aren't in it for the ethical superiority), but that doesn't mean they can't twist the screws into the Roy kids if they really want to.

I agree with this 100%. We are building towards an old guard Vs kids and the kids are going dwn

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Anonymous wrote:WTH kind of name is "Wambsgans"? Sounds like it was completely made up.

It's German.

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Anonymous wrote:We don’t know what Tom knows right now.

The Shiv scenes are the only ones I care about right now.

The whole thing with Kendall and Roman and living plus or whatever made no sense and was dumb. Sorry. Dumb dumb. Not believable, and dumb.

It's... an old folks home? But with film directors stopping by to screen movies? And also maybe we'll figure out how to help you live an extra 50 years I don't know how don't ask but we're looking into it?

I was annoyed that it played well in the room and looked like a win for Kendall after his presentation was over. I mean, I guess it's more interesting if Kendall and Roman don't instantly fall flat on their faces and lose to Lukas/Shiv/Geri/Karl/everyone rooting against them, but it still strains credulity. I think IRL a presentation like that would get eviscerated on Twitter and wind up knocking the company's stock price down. But what do I know.

And yet investors gave Elizabeth Holmes billions for Theranos. Never underestimate how far you can get with a bit of confidence and the ability to lie fluently. Of course, it *usually* catches up with you eventually.

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Anonymous wrote:WTH kind of name is "Wambsgans"? Sounds like it was completely made up.

I think they picked a name that would emphasize his middle-class, midwestern upbringing (i.e., he’s learned to mimic the trappings, but he’s clearly not a trust fund blue blood).

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Anonymous wrote:I think Shiv is closer to 16 weeks, so possibly not showing with a first-time pregnancy.

The convo with her doctor going over the screening results was just a few days ago (each episode is one day this season), and the dr. was talking about seeing her next at the 20 week appt. You are only going to the dr every 4 weeks at that stage of pregnancy. This is my understanding of the timeline, correct me if I am off base.

Each episode is only supposed to be 1 day? I've been very confused by how much time has supposedly gone by but this seems a little unrealistic. They were in NY in episode 3 when Logan died and episode 4 was the next day at Logan's apartment; then episode 5 is the next day in Norway; episode 6 a day later in LA?

Private jets, helicopters, billionaires. It's not that unrealistic. These people are not booking commercial flights, wasting time in traffic, standing in lines, etc.

Though they obviously spent at least 2 days in Norway (there's an overnight).

Speaking of private jets, I found that scene with Shiv and Lukas on the plane pretty hilarious in terms of billionaire ahole behavior. Him calling from the next jet over, then walking over BAREFOOT to visit, then making some comment about the interior of her jet and her rolling her eyes and calling him out on the childishness of insulin someone's private jet interior. I have no idea if that's what it's actually like to live that life but it was funny to contemplate in that scene.

Not a billionaire, but having worked with people like this and done my time on corporate jets — that scene rang *so* true. When you get to that level, it’s really the only thing that distinguishes the incredibly rich from the ridiculously rich from the obscenely rich. But the biggest flex of all is not caring. It was a “tell” — Matsson is new to it and still impressed by the trappings of wealth.

Upthread someone questioned Kendall’s comment about the size of his room in a Norway. That rang true to me, as well, but it had nothing to do with Kendall being spoiled. Kendall was sensitive to the status games Matsson was playing. That’s why he asked Roman if his room was small as well. He doesn’t care about it if everyone has a small room, but he wants to know if he’s being dissed.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m terribly naive but I hope the ending brings the siblings together, in the absence of their father who always tore them apart. I hope the ending includes them parting ways with both Logan and waystar, but being brought closer together as family. I have enjoyed seeing them get closer this season.

And I hope Shiv can get a fresh start with a family of her own.

Your hopefulness is very sweet, but this is definitely not what is going to happen. Brace yourself!

We think the succession is about the company but it’s really about the family dynamic. Logan has left them all so damaged. One, probably Kendall, will get the company but at the expense of screwing obver his siblings.

That or the old guard wins and the siblings are lost, with no purpose without dad and waystar driving all decisions.

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Anonymous wrote:WTH kind of name is "Wambsgans"? Sounds like it was completely made up.

I read somewhere it is actually a reference to a baseball player. According to wiki:

"He is best remembered for making one of the most spectacular defensive plays in World Series history, an unassisted triple play." !!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Wambsganss