New bike lane on Old Georgetown Rd in Bethesda

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I am pp above. I was returning from Rockville, and started south on OGR from 355. Full of cars going nowhere. At 3:42.

Have you considered using a bike for some of your errands between Bethesda and Rockville? It's a very bikeable distance, the bike lanes are great, and you would avoid sitting in traffic.

I'm looking at Google Traffic right now, 5:00 pm, and Old Georgetown Road is mostly green, with just the regular back-ups at the traffic signals where you would expect there to be back-ups at 5:00 pm on a weekday. The 270 spur and the Inner Loop are solid red. Maybe the bike lanes caused that too.

I was on the road itself. Glad you checked Google traffic.

Nope. Are you a SAHM who can just bike here and there when you choose? And watch the traffic on um, google traffic?

Taking kid to the dentist. Then going grocery shopping further up the pike. Got several bags. Then picking up dry cleaning. So again, a big no.

And my office is many exits away on the beltway, so again, sorry no bikes those days either.

And why don't I live near my office, well let's see...spouse's office is up 270. Maybe we should just own a few homes so we can bike here and there from each one??
Oh, and each time we change jobs we don't want to move our house.

Fair enough???

It's possible to do all of these things on a bike, and in fact, people do do these things on a bike. People do those things on buses, too. You personally may choose not to do them on a bike or a bus, but it's a choice, not a necessity. If it takes you 10 minutes longer to do it in a car, you might re-evaluate your choice of transportation, or you might not - again, that's your choice. We all want to do things in the ways we consider the most convenient and comfortable for us. However, I don't think your desire to do those things in a car in 10 minutes less time, is more important than other people's desires to continue being alive and uninjured.

Hahahahahahahahaha are you serious?! Thanks for the visual of someone riding a bike while carrying dry cleaning and four bags of groceries.
-NP here who supports bike lanes but is realistic

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am pp above. I was returning from Rockville, and started south on OGR from 355. Full of cars going nowhere. At 3:42.

Have you considered using a bike for some of your errands between Bethesda and Rockville? It's a very bikeable distance, the bike lanes are great, and you would avoid sitting in traffic.

I'm looking at Google Traffic right now, 5:00 pm, and Old Georgetown Road is mostly green, with just the regular back-ups at the traffic signals where you would expect there to be back-ups at 5:00 pm on a weekday. The 270 spur and the Inner Loop are solid red. Maybe the bike lanes caused that too.

I was on the road itself. Glad you checked Google traffic.

Nope. Are you a SAHM who can just bike here and there when you choose? And watch the traffic on um, google traffic?

Taking kid to the dentist. Then going grocery shopping further up the pike. Got several bags. Then picking up dry cleaning. So again, a big no.

And my office is many exits away on the beltway, so again, sorry no bikes those days either.

And why don't I live near my office, well let's see...spouse's office is up 270. Maybe we should just own a few homes so we can bike here and there from each one??
Oh, and each time we change jobs we don't want to move our house.

Fair enough???

It's possible to do all of these things on a bike, and in fact, people do do these things on a bike. People do those things on buses, too. You personally may choose not to do them on a bike or a bus, but it's a choice, not a necessity. If it takes you 10 minutes longer to do it in a car, you might re-evaluate your choice of transportation, or you might not - again, that's your choice. We all want to do things in the ways we consider the most convenient and comfortable for us. However, I don't think your desire to do those things in a car in 10 minutes less time, is more important than other people's desires to continue being alive and uninjured.

Hahahahahahahahaha are you serious?! Thanks for the visual of someone riding a bike while carrying dry cleaning and four bags of groceries.
-NP here who supports bike lanes but is realistic

Here you go:

https://twitter.com/guyjsd/status/992341612561862656
https://twitter.com/dongho_chang/status/569651071284420608

There are lots more photos, I just grabbed these 2.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am pp above. I was returning from Rockville, and started south on OGR from 355. Full of cars going nowhere. At 3:42.

Have you considered using a bike for some of your errands between Bethesda and Rockville? It's a very bikeable distance, the bike lanes are great, and you would avoid sitting in traffic.

I'm looking at Google Traffic right now, 5:00 pm, and Old Georgetown Road is mostly green, with just the regular back-ups at the traffic signals where you would expect there to be back-ups at 5:00 pm on a weekday. The 270 spur and the Inner Loop are solid red. Maybe the bike lanes caused that too.

I was on the road itself. Glad you checked Google traffic.

Nope. Are you a SAHM who can just bike here and there when you choose? And watch the traffic on um, google traffic?

Taking kid to the dentist. Then going grocery shopping further up the pike. Got several bags. Then picking up dry cleaning. So again, a big no.

And my office is many exits away on the beltway, so again, sorry no bikes those days either.

And why don't I live near my office, well let's see...spouse's office is up 270. Maybe we should just own a few homes so we can bike here and there from each one??
Oh, and each time we change jobs we don't want to move our house.

Fair enough???

It's possible to do all of these things on a bike, and in fact, people do do these things on a bike. People do those things on buses, too. You personally may choose not to do them on a bike or a bus, but it's a choice, not a necessity. If it takes you 10 minutes longer to do it in a car, you might re-evaluate your choice of transportation, or you might not - again, that's your choice. We all want to do things in the ways we consider the most convenient and comfortable for us. However, I don't think your desire to do those things in a car in 10 minutes less time, is more important than other people's desires to continue being alive and uninjured.

Hahahahahahahahaha are you serious?! Thanks for the visual of someone riding a bike while carrying dry cleaning and four bags of groceries.
-NP here who supports bike lanes but is realistic

Here you go:

https://twitter.com/guyjsd/status/992341612561862656
https://twitter.com/dongho_chang/status/569651071284420608

There are lots more photos, I just grabbed these 2.

Are you posting these photos as examples of something that you yourself have experience doing personally?

If so, look forward to you riding down Georgia Avenue with your Costco haul, including 2 gallon container of laundry detergent, case of Gatorade, kitty litter, 3 racks of ribs, 1.5 gallons of milk and hope that your frozen goods don’t thaw by the time you get home.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:I am pp above. I was returning from Rockville, and started south on OGR from 355. Full of cars going nowhere. At 3:42.

Have you considered using a bike for some of your errands between Bethesda and Rockville? It's a very bikeable distance, the bike lanes are great, and you would avoid sitting in traffic.

I'm looking at Google Traffic right now, 5:00 pm, and Old Georgetown Road is mostly green, with just the regular back-ups at the traffic signals where you would expect there to be back-ups at 5:00 pm on a weekday. The 270 spur and the Inner Loop are solid red. Maybe the bike lanes caused that too.

I was on the road itself. Glad you checked Google traffic.

Nope. Are you a SAHM who can just bike here and there when you choose? And watch the traffic on um, google traffic?

Taking kid to the dentist. Then going grocery shopping further up the pike. Got several bags. Then picking up dry cleaning. So again, a big no.

And my office is many exits away on the beltway, so again, sorry no bikes those days either.

And why don't I live near my office, well let's see...spouse's office is up 270. Maybe we should just own a few homes so we can bike here and there from each one??
Oh, and each time we change jobs we don't want to move our house.

Fair enough???

It's possible to do all of these things on a bike, and in fact, people do do these things on a bike. People do those things on buses, too. You personally may choose not to do them on a bike or a bus, but it's a choice, not a necessity. If it takes you 10 minutes longer to do it in a car, you might re-evaluate your choice of transportation, or you might not - again, that's your choice. We all want to do things in the ways we consider the most convenient and comfortable for us. However, I don't think your desire to do those things in a car in 10 minutes less time, is more important than other people's desires to continue being alive and uninjured.

Hahahahahahahahaha are you serious?! Thanks for the visual of someone riding a bike while carrying dry cleaning and four bags of groceries.
-NP here who supports bike lanes but is realistic

Here you go:

https://twitter.com/guyjsd/status/992341612561862656
https://twitter.com/dongho_chang/status/569651071284420608

There are lots more photos, I just grabbed these 2.

Are you posting these photos as examples of something that you yourself have experience doing personally?

If so, look forward to you riding down Georgia Avenue with your Costco haul, including 2 gallon container of laundry detergent, case of Gatorade, kitty litter, 3 racks of ribs, 1.5 gallons of milk and hope that your frozen goods don’t thaw by the time you get home.

So, people actually do that, except on the sidewalk. Way more people would do it if Georgia, University, Veirs Mill had bike lanes like Old Georgetown has bike lanes.

Do I personally do this? No, I don't buy cases of Gatorade or racks of ribs, and I don't buy the kitty litter at Costco. Driving all the way to Costco for a gallon and a half of milk seems silly. Is there something special about Costco milk?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am pp above. I was returning from Rockville, and started south on OGR from 355. Full of cars going nowhere. At 3:42.

Have you considered using a bike for some of your errands between Bethesda and Rockville? It's a very bikeable distance, the bike lanes are great, and you would avoid sitting in traffic.

I'm looking at Google Traffic right now, 5:00 pm, and Old Georgetown Road is mostly green, with just the regular back-ups at the traffic signals where you would expect there to be back-ups at 5:00 pm on a weekday. The 270 spur and the Inner Loop are solid red. Maybe the bike lanes caused that too.

I was on the road itself. Glad you checked Google traffic.

Nope. Are you a SAHM who can just bike here and there when you choose? And watch the traffic on um, google traffic?

Taking kid to the dentist. Then going grocery shopping further up the pike. Got several bags. Then picking up dry cleaning. So again, a big no.

And my office is many exits away on the beltway, so again, sorry no bikes those days either.

And why don't I live near my office, well let's see...spouse's office is up 270. Maybe we should just own a few homes so we can bike here and there from each one??
Oh, and each time we change jobs we don't want to move our house.

Fair enough???

It's possible to do all of these things on a bike, and in fact, people do do these things on a bike. People do those things on buses, too. You personally may choose not to do them on a bike or a bus, but it's a choice, not a necessity. If it takes you 10 minutes longer to do it in a car, you might re-evaluate your choice of transportation, or you might not - again, that's your choice. We all want to do things in the ways we consider the most convenient and comfortable for us. However, I don't think your desire to do those things in a car in 10 minutes less time, is more important than other people's desires to continue being alive and uninjured.

Hahahahahahahahaha are you serious?! Thanks for the visual of someone riding a bike while carrying dry cleaning and four bags of groceries.
-NP here who supports bike lanes but is realistic

Here you go:

https://twitter.com/guyjsd/status/992341612561862656
https://twitter.com/dongho_chang/status/569651071284420608

There are lots more photos, I just grabbed these 2.

Are you posting these photos as examples of something that you yourself have experience doing personally?

If so, look forward to you riding down Georgia Avenue with your Costco haul, including 2 gallon container of laundry detergent, case of Gatorade, kitty litter, 3 racks of ribs, 1.5 gallons of milk and hope that your frozen goods don’t thaw by the time you get home.

So, people actually do that, except on the sidewalk. Way more people would do it if Georgia, University, Veirs Mill had bike lanes like Old Georgetown has bike lanes.

Do I personally do this? No, I don't buy cases of Gatorade or racks of ribs, and I don't buy the kitty litter at Costco. Driving all the way to Costco for a gallon and a half of milk seems silly. Is there something special about Costco milk?

So you are posting this photos as evidence of something that you have no experience doing yourself but expect others to do? Got it.

Also, since you seem inexperienced with cars. They have to this think called a trunk that is capable of hauling literally a half ton of cargo. It’s not a bicycle. Don’t need to make 50 trips to carry one item at a time to complete one’s shopping.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am pp above. I was returning from Rockville, and started south on OGR from 355. Full of cars going nowhere. At 3:42.

Have you considered using a bike for some of your errands between Bethesda and Rockville? It's a very bikeable distance, the bike lanes are great, and you would avoid sitting in traffic.

I'm looking at Google Traffic right now, 5:00 pm, and Old Georgetown Road is mostly green, with just the regular back-ups at the traffic signals where you would expect there to be back-ups at 5:00 pm on a weekday. The 270 spur and the Inner Loop are solid red. Maybe the bike lanes caused that too.

I was on the road itself. Glad you checked Google traffic.

Nope. Are you a SAHM who can just bike here and there when you choose? And watch the traffic on um, google traffic?

Taking kid to the dentist. Then going grocery shopping further up the pike. Got several bags. Then picking up dry cleaning. So again, a big no.

And my office is many exits away on the beltway, so again, sorry no bikes those days either.

And why don't I live near my office, well let's see...spouse's office is up 270. Maybe we should just own a few homes so we can bike here and there from each one??
Oh, and each time we change jobs we don't want to move our house.

Fair enough???

It's possible to do all of these things on a bike, and in fact, people do do these things on a bike. People do those things on buses, too. You personally may choose not to do them on a bike or a bus, but it's a choice, not a necessity. If it takes you 10 minutes longer to do it in a car, you might re-evaluate your choice of transportation, or you might not - again, that's your choice. We all want to do things in the ways we consider the most convenient and comfortable for us. However, I don't think your desire to do those things in a car in 10 minutes less time, is more important than other people's desires to continue being alive and uninjured.

Hahahahahahahahaha are you serious?! Thanks for the visual of someone riding a bike while carrying dry cleaning and four bags of groceries.
-NP here who supports bike lanes but is realistic

Here you go:

https://twitter.com/guyjsd/status/992341612561862656
https://twitter.com/dongho_chang/status/569651071284420608

There are lots more photos, I just grabbed these 2.

Are you posting these photos as examples of something that you yourself have experience doing personally?

If so, look forward to you riding down Georgia Avenue with your Costco haul, including 2 gallon container of laundry detergent, case of Gatorade, kitty litter, 3 racks of ribs, 1.5 gallons of milk and hope that your frozen goods don’t thaw by the time you get home.

So, people actually do that, except on the sidewalk. Way more people would do it if Georgia, University, Veirs Mill had bike lanes like Old Georgetown has bike lanes.

Do I personally do this? No, I don't buy cases of Gatorade or racks of ribs, and I don't buy the kitty litter at Costco. Driving all the way to Costco for a gallon and a half of milk seems silly. Is there something special about Costco milk?

So you are posting this photos as evidence of something that you have no experience doing yourself but expect others to do? Got it.

Also, since you seem inexperienced with cars. They have to this think called a trunk that is capable of hauling literally a half ton of cargo. It’s not a bicycle. Don’t need to make 50 trips to carry one item at a time to complete one’s shopping.

I'm posting this as evidence that it is possible to do a Costco run or pick up dry cleaning on a bike, and that in fact, people do this. Also, probably most of the trips you make during the week are not Costco runs. Somehow there's this idea that if Person A can't accomplish Task X on a bicycle or on foot or on a bus, that means bicycles are useless for anybody for accomplishing any task for anybody. Backhoes are great for digging big holes, but when you're planting tomatoes in your garden, it's better to use a trowel.

[Anonymous]

I live near the intersection of River and Goldsborough Roads. Here are all the things I would do by bike if there were decent lanes.

1. Go to medical appointments in Friendship Heights. I've cycled before but it was a very long and convoluted route via lots of smaller streets. The unseparated bike lane on River Road is a joke. I regularly see buses and trucks pulled over on it and impatient drivers seem to think it is fine to use the bike lane so they can get to the turning lane a little faster.

2. Go to central Bethesda. We are only 1.5 miles away and there are always lots of cars so it would be great it we could bike to the cinema, library, restaurants, etc. Even better, my kids could get there on their own so I wouldn't have to drop them off.

3. Cycle to FH to get the metro. My kids could do that too.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I live near the intersection of River and Goldsborough Roads. Here are all the things I would do by bike if there were decent lanes.

1. Go to medical appointments in Friendship Heights. I've cycled before but it was a very long and convoluted route via lots of smaller streets. The unseparated bike lane on River Road is a joke. I regularly see buses and trucks pulled over on it and impatient drivers seem to think it is fine to use the bike lane so they can get to the turning lane a little faster.

2. Go to central Bethesda. We are only 1.5 miles away and there are always lots of cars so it would be great it we could bike to the cinema, library, restaurants, etc. Even better, my kids could get there on their own so I wouldn't have to drop them off.

3. Cycle to FH to get the metro. My kids could do that too.

Why did you choose to move to a neighborhood that doesn’t suit your stated needs? You have the choice to move to a neighborhood that provides the amenities you seek, but I suspect that you’re not willing to make the compromises to do so. You want urbanism? Move to a more urban area in the county.

[Anonymous]

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Why did you choose to move to a neighborhood that doesn’t suit your stated needs? You have the choice to move to a neighborhood that provides the amenities you seek, but I suspect that you’re not willing to make the compromises to do so. You want urbanism? Move to a more urban area in the county.

Why are you so all in on the this is how things are and they will always be this way and they must never change bandwagon? "Bethesda, Love It Or Leave It"? That's not how things work. Change happens whether you want it to or not.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:
Why did you choose to move to a neighborhood that doesn’t suit your stated needs? You have the choice to move to a neighborhood that provides the amenities you seek, but I suspect that you’re not willing to make the compromises to do so. You want urbanism? Move to a more urban area in the county.

Why are you so all in on the this is how things are and they will always be this way and they must never change bandwagon? "Bethesda, Love It Or Leave It"? That's not how things work. Change happens whether you want it to or not.

Bethesda is literally changing in front of your eyes! They are creating the urbanism you desires. They have a plan for it. You can either move to join in or stay in that deep suburban neighborhood that you chose for yourself and keep complaining.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I am pp above. I was returning from Rockville, and started south on OGR from 355. Full of cars going nowhere. At 3:42.

Have you considered using a bike for some of your errands between Bethesda and Rockville? It's a very bikeable distance, the bike lanes are great, and you would avoid sitting in traffic.

I'm looking at Google Traffic right now, 5:00 pm, and Old Georgetown Road is mostly green, with just the regular back-ups at the traffic signals where you would expect there to be back-ups at 5:00 pm on a weekday. The 270 spur and the Inner Loop are solid red. Maybe the bike lanes caused that too.

I was on the road itself. Glad you checked Google traffic.

Nope. Are you a SAHM who can just bike here and there when you choose? And watch the traffic on um, google traffic?

Taking kid to the dentist. Then going grocery shopping further up the pike. Got several bags. Then picking up dry cleaning. So again, a big no.

And my office is many exits away on the beltway, so again, sorry no bikes those days either.

And why don't I live near my office, well let's see...spouse's office is up 270. Maybe we should just own a few homes so we can bike here and there from each one??
Oh, and each time we change jobs we don't want to move our house.

Fair enough???

It's possible to do all of these things on a bike, and in fact, people do do these things on a bike. People do those things on buses, too. You personally may choose not to do them on a bike or a bus, but it's a choice, not a necessity. If it takes you 10 minutes longer to do it in a car, you might re-evaluate your choice of transportation, or you might not - again, that's your choice. We all want to do things in the ways we consider the most convenient and comfortable for us. However, I don't think your desire to do those things in a car in 10 minutes less time, is more important than other people's desires to continue being alive and uninjured.

DP bike advocates really are scoring own goals with absurd comments like these

The reality is MoCo is a sprawling suburb that has been designed for people to use cars, so that is what people use. Adding a bike lane here or there will not change that fundamental reality.

It was designed for people to use cars, and now it's being redesigned for people to use other modes of transportation as well.

But yes, I agree with you, we need a network of bike lanes. You build a network one bike lane at a time. The Old Georgetown Road bike lanes are a great start.

Pro tip, if you want to not be insufferable, avoid unnecessary underlining.

The problem is not just the lack of bike lanes. It is the sheer distances people need to travel. You are not going to vastly increase use of bikes with a bike network no matter how much underlining you use.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:
Why did you choose to move to a neighborhood that doesn’t suit your stated needs? You have the choice to move to a neighborhood that provides the amenities you seek, but I suspect that you’re not willing to make the compromises to do so. You want urbanism? Move to a more urban area in the county.

Why are you so all in on the this is how things are and they will always be this way and they must never change bandwagon? "Bethesda, Love It Or Leave It"? That's not how things work. Change happens whether you want it to or not.

Bethesda is literally changing in front of your eyes! They are creating the urbanism you desires. They have a plan for it. You can either move to join in or stay in that deep suburban neighborhood that you chose for yourself and keep complaining.

I am not the PP who lives near River/Goldsborough, but calling it "deep suburban" seems a bit off for an area that is a 30 minute walk from downtown Bethesda - or would be, if Goldsborough had basic road features, e.g., sidewalks.

Meanwhile, if that PP chooses to advocate for other basic road features, e.g., decent bike facilities, what's it to you?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I am pp above. I was returning from Rockville, and started south on OGR from 355. Full of cars going nowhere. At 3:42.

Have you considered using a bike for some of your errands between Bethesda and Rockville? It's a very bikeable distance, the bike lanes are great, and you would avoid sitting in traffic.

I'm looking at Google Traffic right now, 5:00 pm, and Old Georgetown Road is mostly green, with just the regular back-ups at the traffic signals where you would expect there to be back-ups at 5:00 pm on a weekday. The 270 spur and the Inner Loop are solid red. Maybe the bike lanes caused that too.

I was on the road itself. Glad you checked Google traffic.

Nope. Are you a SAHM who can just bike here and there when you choose? And watch the traffic on um, google traffic?

Taking kid to the dentist. Then going grocery shopping further up the pike. Got several bags. Then picking up dry cleaning. So again, a big no.

And my office is many exits away on the beltway, so again, sorry no bikes those days either.

And why don't I live near my office, well let's see...spouse's office is up 270. Maybe we should just own a few homes so we can bike here and there from each one??
Oh, and each time we change jobs we don't want to move our house.

Fair enough???

It's possible to do all of these things on a bike, and in fact, people do do these things on a bike. People do those things on buses, too. You personally may choose not to do them on a bike or a bus, but it's a choice, not a necessity. If it takes you 10 minutes longer to do it in a car, you might re-evaluate your choice of transportation, or you might not - again, that's your choice. We all want to do things in the ways we consider the most convenient and comfortable for us. However, I don't think your desire to do those things in a car in 10 minutes less time, is more important than other people's desires to continue being alive and uninjured.

DP bike advocates really are scoring own goals with absurd comments like these

The reality is MoCo is a sprawling suburb that has been designed for people to use cars, so that is what people use. Adding a bike lane here or there will not change that fundamental reality.

It was designed for people to use cars, and now it's being redesigned for people to use other modes of transportation as well.

But yes, I agree with you, we need a network of bike lanes. You build a network one bike lane at a time. The Old Georgetown Road bike lanes are a great start.

Pro tip, if you want to not be insufferable, avoid unnecessary underlining.

The problem is not just the lack of bike lanes. It is the sheer distances people need to travel. You are not going to vastly increase use of bikes with a bike network no matter how much underlining you use.

Half of all daily trips in 2021 were less than 3 miles.
https://www.energy.gov/eere/vehicles/articles/fotw-1230-march-21-2022-more-half-all-daily-trips-were-less-three-miles-2021

[Anonymous]

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Why did you choose to move to a neighborhood that doesn’t suit your stated needs? You have the choice to move to a neighborhood that provides the amenities you seek, but I suspect that you’re not willing to make the compromises to do so. You want urbanism? Move to a more urban area in the county.

Why are you so all in on the this is how things are and they will always be this way and they must never change bandwagon? "Bethesda, Love It Or Leave It"? That's not how things work. Change happens whether you want it to or not.

Bethesda is literally changing in front of your eyes! They are creating the urbanism you desires. They have a plan for it. You can either move to join in or stay in that deep suburban neighborhood that you chose for yourself and keep complaining.

I am not the PP who lives near River/Goldsborough, but calling it "deep suburban" seems a bit off for an area that is a 30 minute walk from downtown Bethesda - or would be, if Goldsborough had basic road features, e.g., sidewalks.

Meanwhile, if that PP chooses to advocate for other basic road features, e.g., decent bike facilities, what's it to you?

That PP chose to live in a suburban hell hole and now wants the County to prioritize him and his needs because he realizes his neighborhood sucks. The County is prioritizing resources to support compact growth and density. If he wants to enjoy those amenities then he needs to move and that’s the whole point.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I am pp above. I was returning from Rockville, and started south on OGR from 355. Full of cars going nowhere. At 3:42.

Have you considered using a bike for some of your errands between Bethesda and Rockville? It's a very bikeable distance, the bike lanes are great, and you would avoid sitting in traffic.

I'm looking at Google Traffic right now, 5:00 pm, and Old Georgetown Road is mostly green, with just the regular back-ups at the traffic signals where you would expect there to be back-ups at 5:00 pm on a weekday. The 270 spur and the Inner Loop are solid red. Maybe the bike lanes caused that too.

I was on the road itself. Glad you checked Google traffic.

Nope. Are you a SAHM who can just bike here and there when you choose? And watch the traffic on um, google traffic?

Taking kid to the dentist. Then going grocery shopping further up the pike. Got several bags. Then picking up dry cleaning. So again, a big no.

And my office is many exits away on the beltway, so again, sorry no bikes those days either.

And why don't I live near my office, well let's see...spouse's office is up 270. Maybe we should just own a few homes so we can bike here and there from each one??
Oh, and each time we change jobs we don't want to move our house.

Fair enough???

It's possible to do all of these things on a bike, and in fact, people do do these things on a bike. People do those things on buses, too. You personally may choose not to do them on a bike or a bus, but it's a choice, not a necessity. If it takes you 10 minutes longer to do it in a car, you might re-evaluate your choice of transportation, or you might not - again, that's your choice. We all want to do things in the ways we consider the most convenient and comfortable for us. However, I don't think your desire to do those things in a car in 10 minutes less time, is more important than other people's desires to continue being alive and uninjured.

DP bike advocates really are scoring own goals with absurd comments like these

The reality is MoCo is a sprawling suburb that has been designed for people to use cars, so that is what people use. Adding a bike lane here or there will not change that fundamental reality.

It was designed for people to use cars, and now it's being redesigned for people to use other modes of transportation as well.

But yes, I agree with you, we need a network of bike lanes. You build a network one bike lane at a time. The Old Georgetown Road bike lanes are a great start.

Pro tip, if you want to not be insufferable, avoid unnecessary underlining.

The problem is not just the lack of bike lanes. It is the sheer distances people need to travel. You are not going to vastly increase use of bikes with a bike network no matter how much underlining you use.

Half of all daily trips in 2021 were less than 3 miles.
https://www.energy.gov/eere/vehicles/articles/fotw-1230-march-21-2022-more-half-all-daily-trips-were-less-three-miles-2021

DP. I don’t see where that says Montgomery County. So its not relevant and the PPs point still holds.