Why does no one acknowledge how overworked teachers are?

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Anonymous wrote:Once ChatGPT starts teaching children. It should provide some relief and it never gets tired.

I wonder how successful ChatGPT will be at classroom management and IEP / 504 accommodations.

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Anonymous wrote:My year long student teaching program was the most grueling year of my life. I had to submit detailed lesson plans for every single word that came out of my mouth in a 7 hr day one week in advance. I even had to submit lesson plans for weekly spelling tests. After school I had to attend 3+ hrs of grad classes at night. Weekends were spent writing the lesson plans and finding/making materials (pre-internet). While it wasn’t cognitively challenging work, it was exhausting nonetheless. All of it was unpaid and I had to work PT to help pay expenses (plus my student loan had to be repaid after I graduated).

Which college required such intensive student teaching?

That's actually a pretty standard student teaching experience. And the lesson plans are extremely detailed and involved, more so than you'll see anywhere else in education. They typically involve correlated standards, differentiation for a minimum of three levels of ability and three different learning styles, vocabulary, assessment formal or informal, and rationalization or support from cited sources as to why your lesson is best practices, and how your lesson is interdisciplinary with relevant standards also listed. Then a follow up reflection afterwards with work samples. This is per lesson. At the elementary level, for one day of student teaching, you needed such lesson plans for math, reading, writing, social studies, and science. I did have internet during my student teaching, and it was an exhausting level of work to be done before and after a full day of actually teaching.

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Anonymous wrote:Once ChatGPT starts teaching children. It should provide some relief and it never gets tired.

I wonder how successful ChatGPT will be at classroom management and IEP / 504 accommodations.

ChatGPT can't even tell me the current grade level standards, much less how to identify why a student is struggling based on their mistakes or how to best help them. Plus, literally no one thinks virtual learning was successful. My job is safe.

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Anonymous wrote:My year long student teaching program was the most grueling year of my life. I had to submit detailed lesson plans for every single word that came out of my mouth in a 7 hr day one week in advance. I even had to submit lesson plans for weekly spelling tests. After school I had to attend 3+ hrs of grad classes at night. Weekends were spent writing the lesson plans and finding/making materials (pre-internet). While it wasn’t cognitively challenging work, it was exhausting nonetheless. All of it was unpaid and I had to work PT to help pay expenses (plus my student loan had to be repaid after I graduated).

Which college required such intensive student teaching?

I did Goucher College’s Master of Arts in Teaching.

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Anonymous wrote:Special interests want public money to pay for religious school, private schools, home schools etc. They do not view diversity as a strength and only seek to carve up education for their own benefit. The end result is efforts that look remarkably similar to segregation.

Woah woah woah. I’d argue that the biggest costs in the public school system are special needs kids who want public money to pay for 1-1 caregivers.

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Anonymous wrote:Special interests want public money to pay for religious school, private schools, home schools etc. They do not view diversity as a strength and only seek to carve up education for their own benefit. The end result is efforts that look remarkably similar to segregation.

Woah woah woah. I’d argue that the biggest costs in the public school system are special needs kids who want public money to pay for 1-1 caregivers.

Well the alternative is six year olds shooting their teacher and Virginia schools being splashed across the international news in utter shame.

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Anonymous wrote:Special interests want public money to pay for religious school, private schools, home schools etc. They do not view diversity as a strength and only seek to carve up education for their own benefit. The end result is efforts that look remarkably similar to segregation.

Woah woah woah. I’d argue that the biggest costs in the public school system are special needs kids who want public money to pay for 1-1 caregivers.

Well the alternative is six year olds shooting their teacher and Virginia schools being splashed across the international news in utter shame.

NP. No, the alternative is putting kids with extreme needs in special environments built to meet those needs. That takes out some costs (no expensive computers laying around to destroy) and shares other costs (like paras) with other students.

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Anonymous wrote:My year long student teaching program was the most grueling year of my life. I had to submit detailed lesson plans for every single word that came out of my mouth in a 7 hr day one week in advance. I even had to submit lesson plans for weekly spelling tests. After school I had to attend 3+ hrs of grad classes at night. Weekends were spent writing the lesson plans and finding/making materials (pre-internet). While it wasn’t cognitively challenging work, it was exhausting nonetheless. All of it was unpaid and I had to work PT to help pay expenses (plus my student loan had to be repaid after I graduated).

My son’s business internships have been fairly low stress and well paid. He goes out to business meals with colleagues that are all paid for. He doesn’t need a PT job because he is being paid. He has no work outside of his 9-5.

If people want to attract students to teaching, something needs to change. They could start by paying student teachers.

Aside from the fact that student teaching is different from being a teacher, I just want to take a moment to point out that this woman is getting weirdly competitive with her son, and is YET another example of how teachers honestly have no idea what happens in the "business" world (lets set aside the fact that they never specify an industry). Yeah, the college student interns sitting at the front desk do indeed have low stress jobs. I don't expect anything of them.

This has nothing in common with my job, or the jobs the rest of us have. And yeah, I do regularly pay for the interns to have food because they make almost nothing. It's not some free lunch that materializes out of the imagined good will of my generic "business." I'd be aghast at the idea that my intern's own mom was feeling jealous of them because I sprung for some Subway, lol.

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Anonymous wrote:My year long student teaching program was the most grueling year of my life. I had to submit detailed lesson plans for every single word that came out of my mouth in a 7 hr day one week in advance. I even had to submit lesson plans for weekly spelling tests. After school I had to attend 3+ hrs of grad classes at night. Weekends were spent writing the lesson plans and finding/making materials (pre-internet). While it wasn’t cognitively challenging work, it was exhausting nonetheless. All of it was unpaid and I had to work PT to help pay expenses (plus my student loan had to be repaid after I graduated).

My son’s business internships have been fairly low stress and well paid. He goes out to business meals with colleagues that are all paid for. He doesn’t need a PT job because he is being paid. He has no work outside of his 9-5.

If people want to attract students to teaching, something needs to change. They could start by paying student teachers.

Aside from the fact that student teaching is different from being a teacher, I just want to take a moment to point out that this woman is getting weirdly competitive with her son, and is YET another example of how teachers honestly have no idea what happens in the "business" world (lets set aside the fact that they never specify an industry). Yeah, the college student interns sitting at the front desk do indeed have low stress jobs. I don't expect anything of them.

This has nothing in common with my job, or the jobs the rest of us have. And yeah, I do regularly pay for the interns to have food because they make almost nothing. It's not some free lunch that materializes out of the imagined good will of my generic "business." I'd be aghast at the idea that my intern's own mom was feeling jealous of them because I sprung for some Subway, lol.

you must be feeling some type of triggered to think that PP was jealois. It seemed like a pretty objective comparison

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Anonymous wrote:My year long student teaching program was the most grueling year of my life. I had to submit detailed lesson plans for every single word that came out of my mouth in a 7 hr day one week in advance. I even had to submit lesson plans for weekly spelling tests. After school I had to attend 3+ hrs of grad classes at night. Weekends were spent writing the lesson plans and finding/making materials (pre-internet). While it wasn’t cognitively challenging work, it was exhausting nonetheless. All of it was unpaid and I had to work PT to help pay expenses (plus my student loan had to be repaid after I graduated).

My son’s business internships have been fairly low stress and well paid. He goes out to business meals with colleagues that are all paid for. He doesn’t need a PT job because he is being paid. He has no work outside of his 9-5.

If people want to attract students to teaching, something needs to change. They could start by paying student teachers.

Aside from the fact that student teaching is different from being a teacher, I just want to take a moment to point out that this woman is getting weirdly competitive with her son, and is YET another example of how teachers honestly have no idea what happens in the "business" world (lets set aside the fact that they never specify an industry). Yeah, the college student interns sitting at the front desk do indeed have low stress jobs. I don't expect anything of them.

This has nothing in common with my job, or the jobs the rest of us have. And yeah, I do regularly pay for the interns to have food because they make almost nothing. It's not some free lunch that materializes out of the imagined good will of my generic "business." I'd be aghast at the idea that my intern's own mom was feeling jealous of them because I sprung for some Subway, lol.

you must be feeling some type of triggered to think that PP was jealois. It seemed like a pretty objective comparison

you think it is an "objective" comparison??

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My year long student teaching program was the most grueling year of my life. I had to submit detailed lesson plans for every single word that came out of my mouth in a 7 hr day one week in advance. I even had to submit lesson plans for weekly spelling tests. After school I had to attend 3+ hrs of grad classes at night. Weekends were spent writing the lesson plans and finding/making materials (pre-internet). While it wasn’t cognitively challenging work, it was exhausting nonetheless. All of it was unpaid and I had to work PT to help pay expenses (plus my student loan had to be repaid after I graduated).

My son’s business internships have been fairly low stress and well paid. He goes out to business meals with colleagues that are all paid for. He doesn’t need a PT job because he is being paid. He has no work outside of his 9-5.

If people want to attract students to teaching, something needs to change. They could start by paying student teachers.

Aside from the fact that student teaching is different from being a teacher, I just want to take a moment to point out that this woman is getting weirdly competitive with her son, and is YET another example of how teachers honestly have no idea what happens in the "business" world (lets set aside the fact that they never specify an industry). Yeah, the college student interns sitting at the front desk do indeed have low stress jobs. I don't expect anything of them.

This has nothing in common with my job, or the jobs the rest of us have. And yeah, I do regularly pay for the interns to have food because they make almost nothing. It's not some free lunch that materializes out of the imagined good will of my generic "business." I'd be aghast at the idea that my intern's own mom was feeling jealous of them because I sprung for some Subway, lol.

you must be feeling some type of triggered to think that PP was jealois. It seemed like a pretty objective comparison

teacher. out of touch.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My year long student teaching program was the most grueling year of my life. I had to submit detailed lesson plans for every single word that came out of my mouth in a 7 hr day one week in advance. I even had to submit lesson plans for weekly spelling tests. After school I had to attend 3+ hrs of grad classes at night. Weekends were spent writing the lesson plans and finding/making materials (pre-internet). While it wasn’t cognitively challenging work, it was exhausting nonetheless. All of it was unpaid and I had to work PT to help pay expenses (plus my student loan had to be repaid after I graduated).

My son’s business internships have been fairly low stress and well paid. He goes out to business meals with colleagues that are all paid for. He doesn’t need a PT job because he is being paid. He has no work outside of his 9-5.

If people want to attract students to teaching, something needs to change. They could start by paying student teachers.

Aside from the fact that student teaching is different from being a teacher, I just want to take a moment to point out that this woman is getting weirdly competitive with her son, and is YET another example of how teachers honestly have no idea what happens in the "business" world (lets set aside the fact that they never specify an industry). Yeah, the college student interns sitting at the front desk do indeed have low stress jobs. I don't expect anything of them.

This has nothing in common with my job, or the jobs the rest of us have. And yeah, I do regularly pay for the interns to have food because they make almost nothing. It's not some free lunch that materializes out of the imagined good will of my generic "business." I'd be aghast at the idea that my intern's own mom was feeling jealous of them because I sprung for some Subway, lol.

you must be feeling some type of triggered to think that PP was jealois. It seemed like a pretty objective comparison

Only a right winger would call this being "triggered" and also not know how to spell.

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Anonymous wrote:This generation of teachers is the most under-worked and over-entitled ever.

In the 1970s my mother would carry bags of books home with her every single night and sit up grading her HS kids French homework, putting in corrections and encouragement and grades. Every single night.

Homework just doesn't exist on that level any more. You'r'e lucky if the teacher checks its been done, but they don't engage with it at all.

I do this. Every single night. I work every Saturday. Every Sunday. I am comfortable estimating I work 70 hours at least one week a month and never under 60. My coworkers are quitting because of the workload and I’m seriously considering it.

I’m underworked and over-entitled?

You teach Elementary. there is a world of difference between Elementary and High School in terms of workload and rigor. You are basically spending your weekend putting smiley faces on bad pictures.

Now this right here is a troll. I'd encourage others to ignore going forward

No. What I am is a critic. I am the original poster of the mother who was a teacher in the 70s who bust a nut every night for her HS students. I'm also a parent of 2 kids in the US education system and I've met exactly 1 excellent teacher in their ES experience and 0 in their MS experience and probably 2 maybe 3 excellent teachers in their HS experience. The rest have been bottom-feeders, bottom feeders who are uninspiring and entitled, who think staying after school for 30 mins is a HUGE impingement on their lives, who literally don't give a F about the individuals in their class.

Who in their right mind would become a teacher these days? Nothing but contempt from parents, orders from the school system, all for low pay and high stress. In the past, it was a women's job, because women couldn't become rocket scientists, computer programmers, politicians, etc. Now they can. The best and the brightest are NOT going into education

That is correct, the bottom 20% are going into education thinking it is going to be an easy ride.

What a total load of BS that is. Anyone with a degree or who knows a current teacher can tell you how hard it is.

Are you talking about how hard an M.Ed is? Because I have gone through that program at a decent public university, and uh...yeah. My colleagues were decidedly not geniuses, and the coursework was not terribly challenging.

But all the students in an M.Ed program have already taken their undergraduate majors in their subjects. And you have people coming from all different qualities of undergrad institutions to take their M.Ed. The M.Ed is a fairly generic introduction to pedagogy, principles and research on learning, child development etc. But it's not going to be as challenging of course content as your undergraduate major in a discipline as it has to be fairly generic professional preparation for people from a wide range of backgrounds. However learning to enact it well in the classroom is much harder. I don't think this speaks to the broader quality of students that go into education. I think you still get plenty of top arts and humanities students going into teaching fields because there aren't that many options out there.

I do. 50+ years ago, smart women who were shut out of most professions became teachers and nurses. Smart women are no longer so restricted and have lots of options including law school, business school, and other professional and graduate programs. They can become psychologists, consultants, businesspeople, doctors, lawyers, the list goes on.

As a result, those at the bottom of the class become teachers.

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Anonymous wrote:My year long student teaching program was the most grueling year of my life. I had to submit detailed lesson plans for every single word that came out of my mouth in a 7 hr day one week in advance. I even had to submit lesson plans for weekly spelling tests. After school I had to attend 3+ hrs of grad classes at night. Weekends were spent writing the lesson plans and finding/making materials (pre-internet). While it wasn’t cognitively challenging work, it was exhausting nonetheless. All of it was unpaid and I had to work PT to help pay expenses (plus my student loan had to be repaid after I graduated).

My son’s business internships have been fairly low stress and well paid. He goes out to business meals with colleagues that are all paid for. He doesn’t need a PT job because he is being paid. He has no work outside of his 9-5.

If people want to attract students to teaching, something needs to change. They could start by paying student teachers.

Aside from the fact that student teaching is different from being a teacher, I just want to take a moment to point out that this woman is getting weirdly competitive with her son, and is YET another example of how teachers honestly have no idea what happens in the "business" world (lets set aside the fact that they never specify an industry). Yeah, the college student interns sitting at the front desk do indeed have low stress jobs. I don't expect anything of them.

This has nothing in common with my job, or the jobs the rest of us have. And yeah, I do regularly pay for the interns to have food because they make almost nothing. It's not some free lunch that materializes out of the imagined good will of my generic "business." I'd be aghast at the idea that my intern's own mom was feeling jealous of them because I sprung for some Subway, lol.

you must be feeling some type of triggered to think that PP was jealois. It seemed like a pretty objective comparison

Only a right winger would call this being "triggered" and also not know how to spell.

Three negative posts in three minutes! All on the same theme! Definitely not the same person

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Anonymous wrote:My year long student teaching program was the most grueling year of my life. I had to submit detailed lesson plans for every single word that came out of my mouth in a 7 hr day one week in advance. I even had to submit lesson plans for weekly spelling tests. After school I had to attend 3+ hrs of grad classes at night. Weekends were spent writing the lesson plans and finding/making materials (pre-internet). While it wasn’t cognitively challenging work, it was exhausting nonetheless. All of it was unpaid and I had to work PT to help pay expenses (plus my student loan had to be repaid after I graduated).

My son’s business internships have been fairly low stress and well paid. He goes out to business meals with colleagues that are all paid for. He doesn’t need a PT job because he is being paid. He has no work outside of his 9-5.

If people want to attract students to teaching, something needs to change. They could start by paying student teachers.

Aside from the fact that student teaching is different from being a teacher, I just want to take a moment to point out that this woman is getting weirdly competitive with her son, and is YET another example of how teachers honestly have no idea what happens in the "business" world (lets set aside the fact that they never specify an industry). Yeah, the college student interns sitting at the front desk do indeed have low stress jobs. I don't expect anything of them.

This has nothing in common with my job, or the jobs the rest of us have. And yeah, I do regularly pay for the interns to have food because they make almost nothing. It's not some free lunch that materializes out of the imagined good will of my generic "business." I'd be aghast at the idea that my intern's own mom was feeling jealous of them because I sprung for some Subway, lol.

you must be feeling some type of triggered to think that PP was jealois. It seemed like a pretty objective comparison

Only a right winger would call this being "triggered" and also not know how to spell.

Three negative posts in three minutes! All on the same theme! Definitely not the same person

I understand that we are supposed to pretend that you are not the same clueless teacher who decided she was making an "objective" comparison.