ECNL moving to school year not calendar

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Anonymous wrote:D1 Soccer to align with US Soccer.
How does this change the landscape?

Changes everything. Leagues will have to keep their most competitive pathways aligned as well, if they have any hope of staying in the game.

When you enter college would still be based on when you graduate high school (so your SY), though, and trapped players would still continue to remain a larger problem under BY.

Won’t D1 teams under the new pro-model (National - International) mean that identification of most competitive youth players will have to be the same? It seems that any league that aims to develop top players for these competitive college spots will have to be similarly aligned and have a BY option too?

The ages don't matter once you're college or pro. Which brings up something I've been confused about this all along, why does pro pathway would necessitate birth year? English premiere league academies conform to an English age group schedule, which is school year with a 9/1 date. They compete internationally just fine in Europe and around the world. School year doesn't actually prevent anything. It's been working quite well for England for a long time.

Because those BY mediocre players' parents still hold hope that by some weird reasoning, ECNL can change its course. They are just idiots and have no idea how ECNL, as a business entity, increases its revenue.

No, there are just some people who heard from some here that perhaps the 10-month teams -- generally the best although there are teams that play HS that do good -- might stay BY and are intrigued by that. I don't think most are under the illusion -- except for some trolling -- that ECNL isn't switching to SY. That's been pretty clear from the start of it. It's more interest in the details, because of also how that impacts the greater youth soccer ecosystem.

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Anonymous wrote:D1 Soccer to align with US Soccer.
How does this change the landscape?

The major focus has already shifted to this.

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Anonymous wrote:D1 Soccer to align with US Soccer.
How does this change the landscape?

Changes everything. Leagues will have to keep their most competitive pathways aligned as well, if they have any hope of staying in the game.

When you enter college would still be based on when you graduate high school (so your SY), though, and trapped players would still continue to remain a larger problem under BY.

Won’t D1 teams under the new pro-model (National - International) mean that identification of most competitive youth players will have to be the same? It seems that any league that aims to develop top players for these competitive college spots will have to be similarly aligned and have a BY option too?

The ages don't matter once you're college or pro. Which brings up something I've been confused about this all along, why does pro pathway would necessitate birth year? English premiere league academies conform to an English age group schedule, which is school year with a 9/1 date. They compete internationally just fine in Europe and around the world. School year doesn't actually prevent anything. It's been working quite well for England for a long time.

The success in England and Europe has nothing to do with SY or BY. It's more to do with their development programs and academy system. The US doesn't embrace the idea of an English or European soccer academy for youth development. If we did, we might actually produce results on the international stage.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:D1 Soccer to align with US Soccer.
How does this change the landscape?

Changes everything. Leagues will have to keep their most competitive pathways aligned as well, if they have any hope of staying in the game.

When you enter college would still be based on when you graduate high school (so your SY), though, and trapped players would still continue to remain a larger problem under BY.

Won’t D1 teams under the new pro-model (National - International) mean that identification of most competitive youth players will have to be the same? It seems that any league that aims to develop top players for these competitive college spots will have to be similarly aligned and have a BY option too?

The ages don't matter once you're college or pro. Which brings up something I've been confused about this all along, why does pro pathway would necessitate birth year? English premiere league academies conform to an English age group schedule, which is school year with a 9/1 date. They compete internationally just fine in Europe and around the world. School year doesn't actually prevent anything. It's been working quite well for England for a long time.

The success in England and Europe has nothing to do with SY or BY. It's more to do with their development programs and academy system. The US doesn't embrace the idea of an English or European soccer academy for youth development. If we did, we might actually produce results on the international stage.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:D1 Soccer to align with US Soccer.
How does this change the landscape?

Changes everything. Leagues will have to keep their most competitive pathways aligned as well, if they have any hope of staying in the game.

When you enter college would still be based on when you graduate high school (so your SY), though, and trapped players would still continue to remain a larger problem under BY.

Won’t D1 teams under the new pro-model (National - International) mean that identification of most competitive youth players will have to be the same? It seems that any league that aims to develop top players for these competitive college spots will have to be similarly aligned and have a BY option too?

Age only matters before college or before going pro. Once you are in college (or on a pro team), age doesn’t matter since they don’t sort college or pro teams by age.

National teams would still care about age, though (such as U-20 World Cup).

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:D1 Soccer to align with US Soccer.
How does this change the landscape?

Changes everything. Leagues will have to keep their most competitive pathways aligned as well, if they have any hope of staying in the game.

When you enter college would still be based on when you graduate high school (so your SY), though, and trapped players would still continue to remain a larger problem under BY.

Won’t D1 teams under the new pro-model (National - International) mean that identification of most competitive youth players will have to be the same? It seems that any league that aims to develop top players for these competitive college spots will have to be similarly aligned and have a BY option too?

Age only matters before college or before going pro. Once you are in college (or on a pro team), age doesn’t matter since they don’t sort college or pro teams by age.

National teams would still care about age, though (such as U-20 World Cup).

There are youth national teams at younger ages as well (BY) and many more players on top teams that are invited for regular national training camps and ID sessions a few times a year (also BY). Now with a D1 college pro model in the works won’t the more competitive youth players and teams want (have) to stay on this track?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:D1 Soccer to align with US Soccer.
How does this change the landscape?

Changes everything. Leagues will have to keep their most competitive pathways aligned as well, if they have any hope of staying in the game.

When you enter college would still be based on when you graduate high school (so your SY), though, and trapped players would still continue to remain a larger problem under BY.

Won’t D1 teams under the new pro-model (National - International) mean that identification of most competitive youth players will have to be the same? It seems that any league that aims to develop top players for these competitive college spots will have to be similarly aligned and have a BY option too?

Age only matters before college or before going pro. Once you are in college (or on a pro team), age doesn’t matter since they don’t sort college or pro teams by age.

National teams would still care about age, though (such as U-20 World Cup).

There are youth national teams at younger ages as well (BY) and many more players on top teams that are invited for regular national training camps and ID sessions a few times a year (also BY). Now with a D1 college pro model in the works won’t the more competitive youth players and teams want (have) to stay on this track?

Pro has no age limitation. Keep daydreaming BY parents. 28 days left.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:D1 Soccer to align with US Soccer.
How does this change the landscape?

Changes everything. Leagues will have to keep their most competitive pathways aligned as well, if they have any hope of staying in the game.

When you enter college would still be based on when you graduate high school (so your SY), though, and trapped players would still continue to remain a larger problem under BY.

Won’t D1 teams under the new pro-model (National - International) mean that identification of most competitive youth players will have to be the same? It seems that any league that aims to develop top players for these competitive college spots will have to be similarly aligned and have a BY option too?

Age only matters before college or before going pro. Once you are in college (or on a pro team), age doesn’t matter since they don’t sort college or pro teams by age.

National teams would still care about age, though (such as U-20 World Cup).

There are youth national teams at younger ages as well (BY) and many more players on top teams that are invited for regular national training camps and ID sessions a few times a year (also BY). Now with a D1 college pro model in the works won’t the more competitive youth players and teams want (have) to stay on this track?

No, as those items don’t change the reasons given for the move to SY. College moving to pro might actually bolster the move to SY since entry to college is based on when kids graduate high school (SY) - thus, there would now be a pro league in which the players’ initial eligibility aligns with SY.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:D1 Soccer to align with US Soccer.
How does this change the landscape?

Changes everything. Leagues will have to keep their most competitive pathways aligned as well, if they have any hope of staying in the game.

When you enter college would still be based on when you graduate high school (so your SY), though, and trapped players would still continue to remain a larger problem under BY.

Won’t D1 teams under the new pro-model (National - International) mean that identification of most competitive youth players will have to be the same? It seems that any league that aims to develop top players for these competitive college spots will have to be similarly aligned and have a BY option too?

Age only matters before college or before going pro. Once you are in college (or on a pro team), age doesn’t matter since they don’t sort college or pro teams by age.

National teams would still care about age, though (such as U-20 World Cup).

There are youth national teams at younger ages as well (BY) and many more players on top teams that are invited for regular national training camps and ID sessions a few times a year (also BY). Now with a D1 college pro model in the works won’t the more competitive youth players and teams want (have) to stay on this track?

Pro has no age limitation. Keep daydreaming BY parents. 28 days left.

Lol yeah! I don’t get it. SY makes the most sense but some people are just still doing mental gymnastics because they want their kid to play against kids a grade below them.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:D1 Soccer to align with US Soccer.
How does this change the landscape?

Changes everything. Leagues will have to keep their most competitive pathways aligned as well, if they have any hope of staying in the game.

When you enter college would still be based on when you graduate high school (so your SY), though, and trapped players would still continue to remain a larger problem under BY.

Won’t D1 teams under the new pro-model (National - International) mean that identification of most competitive youth players will have to be the same? It seems that any league that aims to develop top players for these competitive college spots will have to be similarly aligned and have a BY option too?

Age only matters before college or before going pro. Once you are in college (or on a pro team), age doesn’t matter since they don’t sort college or pro teams by age.

National teams would still care about age, though (such as U-20 World Cup).

There are youth national teams at younger ages as well (BY) and many more players on top teams that are invited for regular national training camps and ID sessions a few times a year (also BY). Now with a D1 college pro model in the works won’t the more competitive youth players and teams want (have) to stay on this track?

No, as those items don’t change the reasons given for the move to SY. College moving to pro might actually bolster the move to SY since entry to college is based on when kids graduate high school (SY) - thus, there would now be a pro league in which the players’ initial eligibility aligns with SY.

Yeah like 🤔 most other sports…

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:D1 Soccer to align with US Soccer.
How does this change the landscape?

Changes everything. Leagues will have to keep their most competitive pathways aligned as well, if they have any hope of staying in the game.

When you enter college would still be based on when you graduate high school (so your SY), though, and trapped players would still continue to remain a larger problem under BY.

Won’t D1 teams under the new pro-model (National - International) mean that identification of most competitive youth players will have to be the same? It seems that any league that aims to develop top players for these competitive college spots will have to be similarly aligned and have a BY option too?

Age only matters before college or before going pro. Once you are in college (or on a pro team), age doesn’t matter since they don’t sort college or pro teams by age.

National teams would still care about age, though (such as U-20 World Cup).

There are youth national teams at younger ages as well (BY) and many more players on top teams that are invited for regular national training camps and ID sessions a few times a year (also BY). Now with a D1 college pro model in the works won’t the more competitive youth players and teams want (have) to stay on this track?

Pro has no age limitation. Keep daydreaming BY parents. 28 days left.

Lol yeah! I don’t get it. SY makes the most sense but some people are just still doing mental gymnastics because they want their kid to play against kids a grade below them.

No, it's more about the 12-month window and having at least 2 viable ones, so that fewer birth months don't get disadvantaged -- which actually might help the whole country by better minimizing RAE. SY supporters, if they care to admit, cling to the belief that so many MORE kids will play soccer that we'll get better players via volume, RAE be damned. With the surge in so many sports, however, that ship has sailed. In my town for girls, field hockey, especially, has recently surpassed soccer in participation/level of achievement. Soccer still is around and the area produces amazing players who go play club but it's probably third in terms of overall popularity, also behind softball.

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I think if we know anything about RAE, it’s that it will exist no matter what. SY proponents (I think) understand it will exist no matter what, but state if we’re going to have RAE anyway, might as well align the cutoff so kids can play with their own grades. That would, arguably, increase participation which would increase the player pool, which would increase money for clubs. At the highest level, that doesn’t matter as much, and I get that. But this is being driven by money, which is really just increased participation.

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Anonymous wrote:I think if we know anything about RAE, it’s that it will exist no matter what. SY proponents (I think) understand it will exist no matter what, but state if we’re going to have RAE anyway, might as well align the cutoff so kids can play with their own grades. That would, arguably, increase participation which would increase the player pool, which would increase money for clubs. At the highest level, that doesn’t matter as much, and I get that. But this is being driven by money, which is really just increased participation.

I think playing with your grade is right now a "grass is always greener" view because there are other larger trends that affect participation growth, including the growth and popularity of other sports and hobbies.

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Anonymous wrote:I think if we know anything about RAE, it’s that it will exist no matter what. SY proponents (I think) understand it will exist no matter what, but state if we’re going to have RAE anyway, might as well align the cutoff so kids can play with their own grades. That would, arguably, increase participation which would increase the player pool, which would increase money for clubs. At the highest level, that doesn’t matter as much, and I get that. But this is being driven by money, which is really just increased participation.

I think playing with your grade is right now a "grass is always greener" view because there are other larger trends that affect participation growth, including the growth and popularity of other sports and hobbies.

Don’t disagree. I think playing with grades is probably the largest driver of the suggested change, followed by recruiting at the older ages (can be debated). But you’re right in that it’s not a singular problem that is impacting retention. Kids move on the new sports, or flat out quit, all the time. I think middle school is the transition age where you’ll lose a lot for various reasons. If you can get the number of kids making it to middle school, then the hit of those that leave, isn’t as great.

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Anonymous wrote:I think if we know anything about RAE, it’s that it will exist no matter what. SY proponents (I think) understand it will exist no matter what, but state if we’re going to have RAE anyway, might as well align the cutoff so kids can play with their own grades. That would, arguably, increase participation which would increase the player pool, which would increase money for clubs. At the highest level, that doesn’t matter as much, and I get that. But this is being driven by money, which is really just increased participation.

I think playing with your grade is right now a "grass is always greener" view because there are other larger trends that affect participation growth, including the growth and popularity of other sports and hobbies.

Don’t disagree. I think playing with grades is probably the largest driver of the suggested change, followed by recruiting at the older ages (can be debated). But you’re right in that it’s not a singular problem that is impacting retention. Kids move on the new sports, or flat out quit, all the time. I think middle school is the transition age where you’ll lose a lot for various reasons. If you can get the number of kids making it to middle school, then the hit of those that leave, isn’t as great.

But the issue with U little soccer is Sep- Dec must play with kids a grade above them while the other months don’t…so that discourages later months kids which over time affects retention and we are probably missing talent because of that.