ECNL moving to school year not calendar

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Anonymous wrote:Hate to break it to all the folks hoping for SY but it’s not happening. All will learn soon enough that ECNL will NOT be going SY but rather staying BY instead.

ECNL national will be BY.

All national leagues (ECNL / GA / MLSN) should be BY. But I seriously doubt ECNL will stick with BY. The CEO is pretty fixated on his own ideas, and is convinced that aligning with grassroots is what an elite league should do vs aligning with professional / national teams.

What a f**k idiot. The moment ECNL goes to SY, GA is basically done. You will see at least the top 5 GA clubs switch to ECNL this coming fall.

Mark my words.

This is my guess too. If ECNL is attracting most of the Sept - December birthdays - and many spring kids want to play with their "school grade" for developmental reasons - the birth year system will fall apart quickly.

This is a dumb-dumb take.

Talent isn’t defined by birth month. And coaches don’t roster by birth month. In markets where GA and ECNL compete, ECNL wins the talent contest…not the birth month contest. The December kids that are good, are in ECNL, the December kids that are average could be in either. Same with all the birth months.

ECNL teams aren’t going to stock up on average. 🤣

My kid plays in a market where GA and ECNL compete and what you describe is not how things work.

At the higher levels there's 2 kinds of players. The ones who's patents are still chasing the dream + driving an hour to and from to play for xyz super team. The ones that have settled into whatever team they're comfortable on. Usually this is whatever club is best and closest.

Month you were born doesn't make any difference to coaches after u14 the only thing that matters is what you can provide to the field.

Same here in a very big market with multiple GA and ECNL teams (and similar with MLSN and ECNL on the boys side). Some people drive for the "best" team, many people choose whichever is closer, others choose based on where their kid will play more. At least here, if ECNL is SY and GA is BY, it would add that as another factor for people to consider and potentially mitigate some of the RAE negatives of a single choice for the younger kids. A potentially net positive for overall talent development.

You are wrong. After ECNL change to SY, D1 college recruiting will be 95% from ECNL. After that, people will argue which is better between RL and GA.

No, it's more likely all big leagues switch to SY and the status quo remains unless a more pro-oriented pathway emerges for girls.

Wishful thinking. ECNL will have the strongest grad year team lineup. GA is literally dead for college recruiting after ECNL switch and will be more or less similar level as RL. ECNL will take another 5 top GA clubs this coming season.

That sounds pretty wishful, too. There's too big of a youth soccer world for ECNL to get that dominant. To do so, they'd need to grow by more than 5 clubs, then they get too big and leave themselves open why they formed in the first place.

You definitely not get what I said and do not understand ECNL business model. Their service is D1 college recruiting. Currently they have 75% market share, which is dominate for their business. After SY switch, it will jump to 95%. So for D1 college recruiting, it is game over. GA needs to pivot to stay relevant. They have 1 year to figure it out.

You seem pretty confident in your random guess.

I gave up reasoning with a moron.

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Anonymous wrote:Hate to break it to all the folks hoping for SY but it’s not happening. All will learn soon enough that ECNL will NOT be going SY but rather staying BY instead.

ECNL national will be BY.

All national leagues (ECNL / GA / MLSN) should be BY. But I seriously doubt ECNL will stick with BY. The CEO is pretty fixated on his own ideas, and is convinced that aligning with grassroots is what an elite league should do vs aligning with professional / national teams.

What a f**k idiot. The moment ECNL goes to SY, GA is basically done. You will see at least the top 5 GA clubs switch to ECNL this coming fall.

Mark my words.

This is my guess too. If ECNL is attracting most of the Sept - December birthdays - and many spring kids want to play with their "school grade" for developmental reasons - the birth year system will fall apart quickly.

This is a dumb-dumb take.

Talent isn’t defined by birth month. And coaches don’t roster by birth month. In markets where GA and ECNL compete, ECNL wins the talent contest…not the birth month contest. The December kids that are good, are in ECNL, the December kids that are average could be in either. Same with all the birth months.

ECNL teams aren’t going to stock up on average. 🤣

My kid plays in a market where GA and ECNL compete and what you describe is not how things work.

At the higher levels there's 2 kinds of players. The ones who's patents are still chasing the dream + driving an hour to and from to play for xyz super team. The ones that have settled into whatever team they're comfortable on. Usually this is whatever club is best and closest.

Month you were born doesn't make any difference to coaches after u14 the only thing that matters is what you can provide to the field.

Same here in a very big market with multiple GA and ECNL teams (and similar with MLSN and ECNL on the boys side). Some people drive for the "best" team, many people choose whichever is closer, others choose based on where their kid will play more. At least here, if ECNL is SY and GA is BY, it would add that as another factor for people to consider and potentially mitigate some of the RAE negatives of a single choice for the younger kids. A potentially net positive for overall talent development.

You are wrong. After ECNL change to SY, D1 college recruiting will be 95% from ECNL. After that, people will argue which is better between RL and GA.

No, it's more likely all big leagues switch to SY and the status quo remains unless a more pro-oriented pathway emerges for girls.

Wishful thinking. ECNL will have the strongest grad year team lineup. GA is literally dead for college recruiting after ECNL switch and will be more or less similar level as RL. ECNL will take another 5 top GA clubs this coming season.

That sounds pretty wishful, too. There's too big of a youth soccer world for ECNL to get that dominant. To do so, they'd need to grow by more than 5 clubs, then they get too big and leave themselves open why they formed in the first place.

You definitely not get what I said and do not understand ECNL business model. Their service is D1 college recruiting. Currently they have 75% market share, which is dominate for their business. After SY switch, it will jump to 95%. So for D1 college recruiting, it is game over. GA needs to pivot to stay relevant. They have 1 year to figure it out.

You seem pretty confident in your random guess.

I gave up reasoning with a moron.

ECNL does some things well, especially marketing themselves, but they’re from perfect and just as easily lose ground in all this.

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D1 Soccer to align with US Soccer.
How does this change the landscape?

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Anonymous wrote:D1 Soccer to align with US Soccer.
How does this change the landscape?

But what if US soccer loses its antitrust suit?

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Anonymous wrote:D1 Soccer to align with US Soccer.
How does this change the landscape?

But what if US soccer loses its antitrust suit?

Is this the suit you're referring to?
https://www.law360.com/articles/2290691/mls-us-soccer-seek-midtrial-win-in-500m-antitrust-case

It's MUCH more likely that college soccer switches from NCAA to US Soccer than the suit you cited goes anywhere.

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Anonymous wrote:D1 Soccer to align with US Soccer.
How does this change the landscape?

But what if US soccer loses its antitrust suit?

Is this the suit you're referring to?
https://www.law360.com/articles/2290691/mls-us-soccer-seek-midtrial-win-in-500m-antitrust-case

It's MUCH more likely that college soccer switches from NCAA to US Soccer than the suit you cited goes anywhere.

Ummm, it's at trial. The chances of them losing are MUCH MUCH higher than any other stage of the case.

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Anonymous wrote:D1 Soccer to align with US Soccer.
How does this change the landscape?

But what if US soccer loses its antitrust suit?

Is this the suit you're referring to?
https://www.law360.com/articles/2290691/mls-us-soccer-seek-midtrial-win-in-500m-antitrust-case

It's MUCH more likely that college soccer switches from NCAA to US Soccer than the suit you cited goes anywhere.

Ummm, it's at trial. The chances of them losing are MUCH MUCH higher than any other stage of the case.

Ummm... As of yesterday US Soccer is asking the judge to throw out the case because ASL hasn't provided any substantial evidence of a conspiracy to sabotage their league. Considering the trial started Jan 13th this is either the mother of all hail mary requests to the judge or ASL has nothing and they're being called on it.

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Anonymous wrote:D1 Soccer to align with US Soccer.
How does this change the landscape?

But what if US soccer loses its antitrust suit?

Is this the suit you're referring to?
https://www.law360.com/articles/2290691/mls-us-soccer-seek-midtrial-win-in-500m-antitrust-case

It's MUCH more likely that college soccer switches from NCAA to US Soccer than the suit you cited goes anywhere.

Ummm, it's at trial. The chances of them losing are MUCH MUCH higher than any other stage of the case.

Ummm... As of yesterday US Soccer is asking the judge to throw out the case because ASL hasn't provided any substantial evidence of a conspiracy to sabotage their league. Considering the trial started Jan 13th this is either the mother of all hail mary requests to the judge or ASL has nothing and they're being called on it.

When do lawyers EVER not ask the judge to throw out the case that this point? They'd be committing malpractice if they didn't. I watched enough LA Law and Matlock to know that!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:D1 Soccer to align with US Soccer.
How does this change the landscape?

Changes everything. Leagues will have to keep their most competitive pathways aligned as well, if they have any hope of staying in the game.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:D1 Soccer to align with US Soccer.
How does this change the landscape?

Changes everything. Leagues will have to keep their most competitive pathways aligned as well, if they have any hope of staying in the game.

When you enter college would still be based on when you graduate high school (so your SY), though, and trapped players would still continue to remain a larger problem under BY.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:D1 Soccer to align with US Soccer.
How does this change the landscape?

Changes everything. Leagues will have to keep their most competitive pathways aligned as well, if they have any hope of staying in the game.

When you enter college would still be based on when you graduate high school (so your SY), though, and trapped players would still continue to remain a larger problem under BY.

Does SY really matter as much now with the newer trends, as some athletes -- at least in football -- sometimes even early enroll to join their teams in January?

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Anonymous wrote:D1 Soccer to align with US Soccer.
How does this change the landscape?

Changes everything. Leagues will have to keep their most competitive pathways aligned as well, if they have any hope of staying in the game.

When you enter college would still be based on when you graduate high school (so your SY), though, and trapped players would still continue to remain a larger problem under BY.

Does SY really matter as much now with the newer trends, as some athletes -- at least in football -- sometimes even early enroll to join their teams in January?

Good question, but I would think so since the primary reasons given in support for move to SY would still remain.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:D1 Soccer to align with US Soccer.
How does this change the landscape?

Changes everything. Leagues will have to keep their most competitive pathways aligned as well, if they have any hope of staying in the game.

When you enter college would still be based on when you graduate high school (so your SY), though, and trapped players would still continue to remain a larger problem under BY.

Won’t D1 teams under the new pro-model (National - International) mean that identification of most competitive youth players will have to be the same? It seems that any league that aims to develop top players for these competitive college spots will have to be similarly aligned and have a BY option too?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:D1 Soccer to align with US Soccer.
How does this change the landscape?

Changes everything. Leagues will have to keep their most competitive pathways aligned as well, if they have any hope of staying in the game.

When you enter college would still be based on when you graduate high school (so your SY), though, and trapped players would still continue to remain a larger problem under BY.

Won’t D1 teams under the new pro-model (National - International) mean that identification of most competitive youth players will have to be the same? It seems that any league that aims to develop top players for these competitive college spots will have to be similarly aligned and have a BY option too?

The ages don't matter once you're college or pro. Which brings up something I've been confused about this all along, why does pro pathway would necessitate birth year? English premiere league academies conform to an English age group schedule, which is school year with a 9/1 date. They compete internationally just fine in Europe and around the world. School year doesn't actually prevent anything. It's been working quite well for England for a long time.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:D1 Soccer to align with US Soccer.
How does this change the landscape?

Changes everything. Leagues will have to keep their most competitive pathways aligned as well, if they have any hope of staying in the game.

When you enter college would still be based on when you graduate high school (so your SY), though, and trapped players would still continue to remain a larger problem under BY.

Won’t D1 teams under the new pro-model (National - International) mean that identification of most competitive youth players will have to be the same? It seems that any league that aims to develop top players for these competitive college spots will have to be similarly aligned and have a BY option too?

The ages don't matter once you're college or pro. Which brings up something I've been confused about this all along, why does pro pathway would necessitate birth year? English premiere league academies conform to an English age group schedule, which is school year with a 9/1 date. They compete internationally just fine in Europe and around the world. School year doesn't actually prevent anything. It's been working quite well for England for a long time.

Because those BY mediocre players' parents still hold hope that by some weird reasoning, ECNL can change its course. They are just idiots and have no idea how ECNL, as a business entity, increases its revenue.