From npr; 1/4th of students never logging on

[Anonymous]

Not my kids, but:

Googled around and found huge documentd failures of distance learning, for example:

https://www.wbez.org/stories/during-one-week-in-may-nearly-25-of-cps-students-didnt-log-on-for-remote-learning/f2b7becf-cb5c-44a5-9ccf-3d6c947e6a13

But it’s not just one school;

https://www.nj.com/education/2020/12/about-25-of-kids-in-this-nj-school-district-are-ditching-remote-learning-every-day-superintendent-says.html


This is all over! Have we failed a whole generation? Should they repeat a grade??

[Anonymous]

I’m not reading the article, but I don’t find it the least bit surprising that 25% of kids can’t log on, considering around the same number of kids have food insecurity. Do think they can afford computers or DL tools, or have a parent able to stay home to watch them log in every day?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’m not reading the article, but I don’t find it the least bit surprising that 25% of kids can’t log on, considering around the same number of kids have food insecurity. Do think they can afford computers or DL tools, or have a parent able to stay home to watch them log in every day?

Read the article. They were given free laptops.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m not reading the article, but I don’t find it the least bit surprising that 25% of kids can’t log on, considering around the same number of kids have food insecurity. Do think they can afford computers or DL tools, or have a parent able to stay home to watch them log in every day?

Read the article. They were given free laptops.

Free laptops do not equal free broadband. The article said that they would have to sign up for “low cost internet” through a local provider. If you’re not sure how you’re going to make rent, you’re not signing up for low cost anything. And I wonder what “low cost” means to companies like Verizon or Comcast.

[Anonymous]

Low cost is $10 for comcast and $20 verizon. That said, previous PP is being obtuse. Even with internet and laptop there's a lot more that goes into DL. Mainly, a supportive parent who is able to assist with computers, in English.

[Anonymous]

Not surprised! I’m a stay at home mom with a high HHI and I thought I was supervising my third grader but then I got an email saying that he hadn’t logged in to his afternoon math class for a whole damn week.

A lot of it was his straight-up lying about what they were doing, but a big part was he didn’t know where to go or when. He didn’t understand how to find the links for all the different rooms he was supposed to be in and he tried to set timers and reminders but sometimes the sound was off. This stuff is hard for little kids and I think the teachers expect too much or them in terms of keeping track of time and knowing how to navigate canvas to find the next class or small group.

Now he is doing great because I am with him all the time and listening to when asynchronous time ends and he doesn’t use his headphones anymore. If I had to work I’m pretty sure he would just repeat 3rd grade. I get why we are doing it but there’s no question it’s a disaster.

[Anonymous]

I believe it. My 4th grader has a lot of flip grid assignments and you can see who is turning stuff in. She has about 75 kids in her grade and usually only 45 turn in an assignment. There are definitely not a full classroom of kids on zoom when she logs in (and there are a chunk of kids who log in and leave their cameras off and don't respond to the teacher ever. So while they may technically get marked there, they are not actually participating in any substantive way.

I accidentally overheard my 1st graders teacher discussing a family where the three kids have each missed nearly 1/2 of school days so far this year. So sad.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Low cost is $10 for comcast and $20 verizon. That said, previous PP is being obtuse. Even with internet and laptop there's a lot more that goes into DL. Mainly, a supportive parent who is able to assist with computers, in English.

And for a lot of families on the south side of Chicago, even that is too expensive.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Low cost is $10 for comcast and $20 verizon. That said, previous PP is being obtuse. Even with internet and laptop there's a lot more that goes into DL. Mainly, a supportive parent who is able to assist with computers, in English.

And for a lot of families on the south side of Chicago, even that is too expensive.

Yep. If you can’t afford food, the Internet is the least of your worries.

[Anonymous]

Yes of course this is happening. And then many above that are periodically logging in but not learning anything.

We are going to see the disastrous public health consequences of DL for many, many years. We will see things like crime waves, reduced economic activity, etc. tied to DL. Many of the teens will be permanent drop outs. Fewer kids will go to college. Some kids who lost a crucial educational window will be permanently illiterate.

It is a total travesty.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m not reading the article, but I don’t find it the least bit surprising that 25% of kids can’t log on, considering around the same number of kids have food insecurity. Do think they can afford computers or DL tools, or have a parent able to stay home to watch them log in every day?

Read the article. They were given free laptops.

Free laptops do not equal free broadband. The article said that they would have to sign up for “low cost internet” through a local provider. If you’re not sure how you’re going to make rent, you’re not signing up for low cost anything. And I wonder what “low cost” means to companies like Verizon or Comcast.

How much FREE stuff do you want?

[Anonymous]

OP, at least 25% of kids never study, never do their homework, never tried to keep up with school even in-person school. This is no surprise.

[Anonymous]

Even if it were free the fact is that lots of parents don’t have the capacity to assist the kids in getting things set up and then checking in/addressing problems. It could be because they’re working crazy hours, are depressed, have addictions, don’t speak English well enough, etc. all of those things make school harder for kids all the time but with virtual school it’s much worse.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m not reading the article, but I don’t find it the least bit surprising that 25% of kids can’t log on, considering around the same number of kids have food insecurity. Do think they can afford computers or DL tools, or have a parent able to stay home to watch them log in every day?

Read the article. They were given free laptops.

Free laptops do not equal free broadband. The article said that they would have to sign up for “low cost internet” through a local provider. If you’re not sure how you’re going to make rent, you’re not signing up for low cost anything. And I wonder what “low cost” means to companies like Verizon or Comcast.

How much FREE stuff do you want?

Free stuff? Seriously? Broadband is a HUGE issue in both rural and urban areas. That low cost internet does not give you much bandwidth so you could have it and still not be able to log on.

We are the richest country in the world and we can't provide free internet? Really?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Not surprised! I’m a stay at home mom with a high HHI and I thought I was supervising my third grader but then I got an email saying that he hadn’t logged in to his afternoon math class for a whole damn week.

A lot of it was his straight-up lying about what they were doing, but a big part was he didn’t know where to go or when. He didn’t understand how to find the links for all the different rooms he was supposed to be in and he tried to set timers and reminders but sometimes the sound was off. This stuff is hard for little kids and I think the teachers expect too much or them in terms of keeping track of time and knowing how to navigate canvas to find the next class or small group.

Now he is doing great because I am with him all the time and listening to when asynchronous time ends and he doesn’t use his headphones anymore. If I had to work I’m pretty sure he would just repeat 3rd grade. I get why we are doing it but there’s no question it’s a disaster.

Such good perspective. You’re doing the right thing but a lot of kids don’t have the same support.