From npr; 1/4th of students never logging on

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’m not reading the article, but I don’t find it the least bit surprising that 25% of kids can’t log on, considering around the same number of kids have food insecurity. Do think they can afford computers or DL tools, or have a parent able to stay home to watch them log in every day?

Read the article. They were given free laptops.

Free laptops do not equal free broadband. The article said that they would have to sign up for “low cost internet” through a local provider. If you’re not sure how you’re going to make rent, you’re not signing up for low cost anything. And I wonder what “low cost” means to companies like Verizon or Comcast.

How much FREE stuff do you want?

most state constitution guarantee a free public eduction, so whatever is required to attend class seems like the bare minimum

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m not reading the article, but I don’t find it the least bit surprising that 25% of kids can’t log on, considering around the same number of kids have food insecurity. Do think they can afford computers or DL tools, or have a parent able to stay home to watch them log in every day?

Read the article. They were given free laptops.

Free laptops do not equal free broadband. The article said that they would have to sign up for “low cost internet” through a local provider. If you’re not sure how you’re going to make rent, you’re not signing up for low cost anything. And I wonder what “low cost” means to companies like Verizon or Comcast.

How much FREE stuff do you want?

Free stuff? Seriously? Broadband is a HUGE issue in both rural and urban areas. That low cost internet does not give you much bandwidth so you could have it and still not be able to log on.

We are the richest country in the world and we can't provide free internet? Really?

There is no “we.” Be accountable for your own life and needs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Yes of course this is happening. And then many above that are periodically logging in but not learning anything.

We are going to see the disastrous public health consequences of DL for many, many years. We will see things like crime waves, reduced economic activity, etc. tied to DL. Many of the teens will be permanent drop outs. Fewer kids will go to college. Some kids who lost a crucial educational window will be permanently illiterate.

It is a total travesty.

Yes I think this is what NPR is trying to get at with their article. But I’m not seeing their concern raised on the evening news; it should be covered every single night.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m not reading the article, but I don’t find it the least bit surprising that 25% of kids can’t log on, considering around the same number of kids have food insecurity. Do think they can afford computers or DL tools, or have a parent able to stay home to watch them log in every day?

Read the article. They were given free laptops.

Free laptops do not equal free broadband. The article said that they would have to sign up for “low cost internet” through a local provider. If you’re not sure how you’re going to make rent, you’re not signing up for low cost anything. And I wonder what “low cost” means to companies like Verizon or Comcast.

Poor people make internet access more of a priority than food

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Not surprised! I’m a stay at home mom with a high HHI and I thought I was supervising my third grader but then I got an email saying that he hadn’t logged in to his afternoon math class for a whole damn week.

A lot of it was his straight-up lying about what they were doing, but a big part was he didn’t know where to go or when. He didn’t understand how to find the links for all the different rooms he was supposed to be in and he tried to set timers and reminders but sometimes the sound was off. This stuff is hard for little kids and I think the teachers expect too much or them in terms of keeping track of time and knowing how to navigate canvas to find the next class or small group.

Now he is doing great because I am with him all the time and listening to when asynchronous time ends and he doesn’t use his headphones anymore. If I had to work I’m pretty sure he would just repeat 3rd grade. I get why we are doing it but there’s no question it’s a disaster.

lol same thing here! once we set alarms and the teachers (finally) sent a unified daily schedule of links, it worked much better. but still a disaster - he logs in but does maybe 25% of the work.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Low cost is $10 for comcast and $20 verizon. That said, previous PP is being obtuse. Even with internet and laptop there's a lot more that goes into DL. Mainly, a supportive parent who is able to assist with computers, in English.

you need a bank account or credit card to pay even $10/month, and they may do a credit check too. Not to mention that you need to be authorized to get it installed where you’re living. a lot of barriers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m not reading the article, but I don’t find it the least bit surprising that 25% of kids can’t log on, considering around the same number of kids have food insecurity. Do think they can afford computers or DL tools, or have a parent able to stay home to watch them log in every day?

Read the article. They were given free laptops.

Free laptops do not equal free broadband. The article said that they would have to sign up for “low cost internet” through a local provider. If you’re not sure how you’re going to make rent, you’re not signing up for low cost anything. And I wonder what “low cost” means to companies like Verizon or Comcast.

How much FREE stuff do you want?

most state constitution guarantee a free public eduction, so whatever is required to attend class seems like the bare minimum

good point. there needs to be free wifi.

[Anonymous]

yep, I know a family that moved during covid and couldn't get their acts together to enroll their kid in school until October--they didn't have the right proof of residency, couldn't fill out forms, don't have a printer, etc. And then they didn't have internet and since they owed comcast money from their old place they didn't qualify for low cost. And then when the school helped them with a hotspot and a laptop the mom still can't get herself up in the morning to help the kid log in, let alone any actual help with the subject matter. Poverty, mental illness, learning disabilities, and a lot more going on...and I think there are kids in a lot worse situations than this. Schools are going to have to do a lot of remediation.

[Anonymous]

Considering that the vast majority (60%+) of my local tax dollars go towards this farce, I'm pissed. I just DO NOT understand why schools couldn't open. Kids who wanted to go would, and kids who could distance learn could stay home (maybe not with their regular class). If you weren't logging in CPS would come and then the school would force you back to regular school

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Not surprised! I’m a stay at home mom with a high HHI and I thought I was supervising my third grader but then I got an email saying that he hadn’t logged in to his afternoon math class for a whole damn week.

A lot of it was his straight-up lying about what they were doing, but a big part was he didn’t know where to go or when. He didn’t understand how to find the links for all the different rooms he was supposed to be in and he tried to set timers and reminders but sometimes the sound was off. This stuff is hard for little kids and I think the teachers expect too much or them in terms of keeping track of time and knowing how to navigate canvas to find the next class or small group.

Now he is doing great because I am with him all the time and listening to when asynchronous time ends and he doesn’t use his headphones anymore. If I had to work I’m pretty sure he would just repeat 3rd grade. I get why we are doing it but there’s no question it’s a disaster.

So it never occurred to you to check on your kid for a week and help an 8y.o. with set up? Of course he’s too little to be doing it alone, even in f2f school you have to help them navigate and organize. It’s silly to expect teachers to be able to provide support throughout.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Low cost is $10 for comcast and $20 verizon. That said, previous PP is being obtuse. Even with internet and laptop there's a lot more that goes into DL. Mainly, a supportive parent who is able to assist with computers, in English.

And for a lot of families on the south side of Chicago, even that is too expensive.

Yep. If you can’t afford food, the Internet is the least of your worries.

Anyone else remember the viral photo of the little girls with their laptops outside a Taco Bell drive though? For families living in poverty the money is just the first obstacle, there’s also setting up the service and having a stable enough living situation to even be able to set it up.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yes of course this is happening. And then many above that are periodically logging in but not learning anything.

We are going to see the disastrous public health consequences of DL for many, many years. We will see things like crime waves, reduced economic activity, etc. tied to DL. Many of the teens will be permanent drop outs. Fewer kids will go to college. Some kids who lost a crucial educational window will be permanently illiterate.

It is a total travesty.

Yes I think this is what NPR is trying to get at with their article. But I’m not seeing their concern raised on the evening news; it should be covered every single night.

+1

[Anonymous]

People don't have enough money to buy food; getting their kids onto dl isn't their first priority. Getting their kids to school in person isn't their first priority.

[Anonymous]

Our district gives out hotspots. The library does too. If you can’t log on at all ever with your free device and hotspot....

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Our district gives out hotspots. The library does too. If you can’t log on at all ever with your free device and hotspot....

Look, if the SAHM upthread who presumably has the time and ability to help her kid thought it was teachers'/school's job to do it, then what do we expect from busy WOTH families many of whom also don't know/understand the school system well.