Blake Lively- Jason Baldoni and NYT - False Light claims

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Anonymous wrote:Reddit also shows the Jamie Heath birth video that Blake claimed was pornography. I won’t post it here but wow. A family cuddling their newborn, with the birthing mom (Heath’s wife) being covered by a blanket throughout most of video. Music of Maxwell (I think) playing in the background, somewhat spiritual, a song about a woman’s worth.

And this was claimed by Blake as being pornographic—Justin and Jamie attempting to show her porn?

Wow. More receipts by Baldoni. Another fabrication by Blake.

I’m not sure what was on the screen when it was shown to Lively, but a screen grab that was posted a month ago seemed to show a mostly naked (?) Jamie Heath in a tub laying behind his also mostly naked wife, with the baby on top in a towel. What I mostly noticed from this was two mostly naked people in a tub, which I also wouldn’t want to watch tbh and which I might also confuse with a different kind of video. I am totally on Lively’s side here.

This. Also I don't think Lively ever claimed the video was pornography. She alleged that Heath tried to show it to her with no warning or explanation, and, seeing what appeared to be nudity and an awkward position, briefly thought it was porn. Once she knew it was a birth video, she didn't allege it was pornographic.

However, the video on reddit strikes me as extremely intimate and inappropriate to share with a coworker without asking first if they want to see it. I also think showing it to Lively the day after filming the birth scene where Baldoni and Heath pressured Lively to do simulate full nudity in the scene and Baldoni made belittling comments to Lively about how it is "not normal" for a woman to wear a hospital gown during birth are what push this into harassment. They should not have pressured her to do nudity that wasn't specified in the script, should not have made those comments while pressuring her, and should definitely not have shown her the birth video the next day to, I don't know, prove their point on how women should be nude during birth? I truly cannot think of a good reason to show Lively the birth video at all, but especially not with explicitly telling her first "this is my wife's birth video, it's pretty intimate, would you like to see it." Just because Heath and his wife are happy to share these videos with whomever and post them on social media does not mean that everyone wants to see them or feels the same way.

Heath also allegedly said, when Lively asked him if he had his wife's permission to show the video, that his wife "isn't weird about" childbirth, as though being more modest about it is "weird."

If those conversations happened to me in my workplace, I would 100% view it as inappropriate and potentially harassing (depending on what else was happening in the same workplace).

So no, I don't think putting that video on instagram represents "receipts."

DP
Idk. When I read the NYT piece it seemed the implication was that they tried to force her to view porn. .. there’s been a lot of backtracking from the implications of that article which made Baldoni sound like a monster.

Did it say that or did your brain jump there.

I think a lot of people may have let their minds go to the most sensational image in their head of the original allegations. Who knows, maybe the way the NYT article was framed contributed to that, I don't know.

But if you actually read the original complaint, that's what it says -- Lively and her assistant both originally thought Heath was trying to show them porn because he showed them a bit of the video before saying what it was. At no point has Lively alleged that Heath showed her pornography, or called the birth video porn.

Libel by implication is a thing you know. And clearly that’s the assumption people would make without more context. That some creepy guy was being creepy and making her uncomfortable.

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Anonymous wrote:Reddit also shows the Jamie Heath birth video that Blake claimed was pornography. I won’t post it here but wow. A family cuddling their newborn, with the birthing mom (Heath’s wife) being covered by a blanket throughout most of video. Music of Maxwell (I think) playing in the background, somewhat spiritual, a song about a woman’s worth.

And this was claimed by Blake as being pornographic—Justin and Jamie attempting to show her porn?

Wow. More receipts by Baldoni. Another fabrication by Blake.

I’m not sure what was on the screen when it was shown to Lively, but a screen grab that was posted a month ago seemed to show a mostly naked (?) Jamie Heath in a tub laying behind his also mostly naked wife, with the baby on top in a towel. What I mostly noticed from this was two mostly naked people in a tub, which I also wouldn’t want to watch tbh and which I might also confuse with a different kind of video. I am totally on Lively’s side here.

This. Also I don't think Lively ever claimed the video was pornography. She alleged that Heath tried to show it to her with no warning or explanation, and, seeing what appeared to be nudity and an awkward position, briefly thought it was porn. Once she knew it was a birth video, she didn't allege it was pornographic.

However, the video on reddit strikes me as extremely intimate and inappropriate to share with a coworker without asking first if they want to see it. I also think showing it to Lively the day after filming the birth scene where Baldoni and Heath pressured Lively to do simulate full nudity in the scene and Baldoni made belittling comments to Lively about how it is "not normal" for a woman to wear a hospital gown during birth are what push this into harassment. They should not have pressured her to do nudity that wasn't specified in the script, should not have made those comments while pressuring her, and should definitely not have shown her the birth video the next day to, I don't know, prove their point on how women should be nude during birth? I truly cannot think of a good reason to show Lively the birth video at all, but especially not with explicitly telling her first "this is my wife's birth video, it's pretty intimate, would you like to see it." Just because Heath and his wife are happy to share these videos with whomever and post them on social media does not mean that everyone wants to see them or feels the same way.

Heath also allegedly said, when Lively asked him if he had his wife's permission to show the video, that his wife "isn't weird about" childbirth, as though being more modest about it is "weird."

If those conversations happened to me in my workplace, I would 100% view it as inappropriate and potentially harassing (depending on what else was happening in the same workplace).

So no, I don't think putting that video on instagram represents "receipts."

DP
Idk. When I read the NYT piece it seemed the implication was that they tried to force her to view porn. .. there’s been a lot of backtracking from the implications of that article which made Baldoni sound like a monster.

Did it say that or did your brain jump there.

I think a lot of people may have let their minds go to the most sensational image in their head of the original allegations. Who knows, maybe the way the NYT article was framed contributed to that, I don't know.

But if you actually read the original complaint, that's what it says -- Lively and her assistant both originally thought Heath was trying to show them porn because he showed them a bit of the video before saying what it was. At no point has Lively alleged that Heath showed her pornography, or called the birth video porn.

People's brains jumped there because Lively worded her description in such a way to ensure that they did. This was not accidental.

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Anonymous wrote:Reddit also shows the Jamie Heath birth video that Blake claimed was pornography. I won’t post it here but wow. A family cuddling their newborn, with the birthing mom (Heath’s wife) being covered by a blanket throughout most of video. Music of Maxwell (I think) playing in the background, somewhat spiritual, a song about a woman’s worth.

And this was claimed by Blake as being pornographic—Justin and Jamie attempting to show her porn?

Wow. More receipts by Baldoni. Another fabrication by Blake.

I’m not sure what was on the screen when it was shown to Lively, but a screen grab that was posted a month ago seemed to show a mostly naked (?) Jamie Heath in a tub laying behind his also mostly naked wife, with the baby on top in a towel. What I mostly noticed from this was two mostly naked people in a tub, which I also wouldn’t want to watch tbh and which I might also confuse with a different kind of video. I am totally on Lively’s side here.

This. Also I don't think Lively ever claimed the video was pornography. She alleged that Heath tried to show it to her with no warning or explanation, and, seeing what appeared to be nudity and an awkward position, briefly thought it was porn. Once she knew it was a birth video, she didn't allege it was pornographic.

However, the video on reddit strikes me as extremely intimate and inappropriate to share with a coworker without asking first if they want to see it. I also think showing it to Lively the day after filming the birth scene where Baldoni and Heath pressured Lively to do simulate full nudity in the scene and Baldoni made belittling comments to Lively about how it is "not normal" for a woman to wear a hospital gown during birth are what push this into harassment. They should not have pressured her to do nudity that wasn't specified in the script, should not have made those comments while pressuring her, and should definitely not have shown her the birth video the next day to, I don't know, prove their point on how women should be nude during birth? I truly cannot think of a good reason to show Lively the birth video at all, but especially not with explicitly telling her first "this is my wife's birth video, it's pretty intimate, would you like to see it." Just because Heath and his wife are happy to share these videos with whomever and post them on social media does not mean that everyone wants to see them or feels the same way.

Heath also allegedly said, when Lively asked him if he had his wife's permission to show the video, that his wife "isn't weird about" childbirth, as though being more modest about it is "weird."

If those conversations happened to me in my workplace, I would 100% view it as inappropriate and potentially harassing (depending on what else was happening in the same workplace).

So no, I don't think putting that video on instagram represents "receipts."

DP
Idk. When I read the NYT piece it seemed the implication was that they tried to force her to view porn. .. there’s been a lot of backtracking from the implications of that article which made Baldoni sound like a monster.

Did it say that or did your brain jump there.

I think a lot of people may have let their minds go to the most sensational image in their head of the original allegations. Who knows, maybe the way the NYT article was framed contributed to that, I don't know.

But if you actually read the original complaint, that's what it says -- Lively and her assistant both originally thought Heath was trying to show them porn because he showed them a bit of the video before saying what it was. At no point has Lively alleged that Heath showed her pornography, or called the birth video porn.

People's brains jumped there because Lively worded her description in such a way to ensure that they did. This was not accidental.

Exactly. Here’s the text from the NYT piece… which I’m sure was massaged to be even more careful than what she expressed to the NYT.

‘Mr. Heath had shown her a video of his wife naked, she said, and he had watched Ms. Lively in her trailer when she was topless and having body makeup removed, despite her asking him to look away. She said that both men repeatedly entered her makeup trailer uninvited while she was undressed, including when she was breastfeeding.’


It is obviously missing a great deal of context

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Anonymous wrote:Reddit also shows the Jamie Heath birth video that Blake claimed was pornography. I won’t post it here but wow. A family cuddling their newborn, with the birthing mom (Heath’s wife) being covered by a blanket throughout most of video. Music of Maxwell (I think) playing in the background, somewhat spiritual, a song about a woman’s worth.

And this was claimed by Blake as being pornographic—Justin and Jamie attempting to show her porn?

Wow. More receipts by Baldoni. Another fabrication by Blake.

I’m not sure what was on the screen when it was shown to Lively, but a screen grab that was posted a month ago seemed to show a mostly naked (?) Jamie Heath in a tub laying behind his also mostly naked wife, with the baby on top in a towel. What I mostly noticed from this was two mostly naked people in a tub, which I also wouldn’t want to watch tbh and which I might also confuse with a different kind of video. I am totally on Lively’s side here.

This. Also I don't think Lively ever claimed the video was pornography. She alleged that Heath tried to show it to her with no warning or explanation, and, seeing what appeared to be nudity and an awkward position, briefly thought it was porn. Once she knew it was a birth video, she didn't allege it was pornographic.

However, the video on reddit strikes me as extremely intimate and inappropriate to share with a coworker without asking first if they want to see it. I also think showing it to Lively the day after filming the birth scene where Baldoni and Heath pressured Lively to do simulate full nudity in the scene and Baldoni made belittling comments to Lively about how it is "not normal" for a woman to wear a hospital gown during birth are what push this into harassment. They should not have pressured her to do nudity that wasn't specified in the script, should not have made those comments while pressuring her, and should definitely not have shown her the birth video the next day to, I don't know, prove their point on how women should be nude during birth? I truly cannot think of a good reason to show Lively the birth video at all, but especially not with explicitly telling her first "this is my wife's birth video, it's pretty intimate, would you like to see it." Just because Heath and his wife are happy to share these videos with whomever and post them on social media does not mean that everyone wants to see them or feels the same way.

Heath also allegedly said, when Lively asked him if he had his wife's permission to show the video, that his wife "isn't weird about" childbirth, as though being more modest about it is "weird."

If those conversations happened to me in my workplace, I would 100% view it as inappropriate and potentially harassing (depending on what else was happening in the same workplace).

So no, I don't think putting that video on instagram represents "receipts."

DP
Idk. When I read the NYT piece it seemed the implication was that they tried to force her to view porn. .. there’s been a lot of backtracking from the implications of that article which made Baldoni sound like a monster.

Did it say that or did your brain jump there.

I think a lot of people may have let their minds go to the most sensational image in their head of the original allegations. Who knows, maybe the way the NYT article was framed contributed to that, I don't know.

But if you actually read the original complaint, that's what it says -- Lively and her assistant both originally thought Heath was trying to show them porn because he showed them a bit of the video before saying what it was. At no point has Lively alleged that Heath showed her pornography, or called the birth video porn.

Libel by implication is a thing you know. And clearly that’s the assumption people would make without more context. That some creepy guy was being creepy and making her uncomfortable.

A guy WAS being creepy and it DID make her uncomfortable.

I would be very uncomfortable if a coworker with no warning started showing me their wife's birth video, without even telling me what it was first. I would also be confused and worried I was seeing something inappropriate and would stop him. If he said "it's my wife's birth video, I thought you'd want to see it" I would, like Lively, as if his wife knew he was showing it to people. If he responded yes because "she isn't weird about this stuff," I would take that as a passive aggressive comment that I was weird for not wanting to watch a total strangers birth video at work.

IMO, the forgoing paragraph absolutely describes a guy being creepy and making a coworker uncomfortable. I don't understand how you could see it otherwise.

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Anonymous wrote:Reddit also shows the Jamie Heath birth video that Blake claimed was pornography. I won’t post it here but wow. A family cuddling their newborn, with the birthing mom (Heath’s wife) being covered by a blanket throughout most of video. Music of Maxwell (I think) playing in the background, somewhat spiritual, a song about a woman’s worth.

And this was claimed by Blake as being pornographic—Justin and Jamie attempting to show her porn?

Wow. More receipts by Baldoni. Another fabrication by Blake.

I’m not sure what was on the screen when it was shown to Lively, but a screen grab that was posted a month ago seemed to show a mostly naked (?) Jamie Heath in a tub laying behind his also mostly naked wife, with the baby on top in a towel. What I mostly noticed from this was two mostly naked people in a tub, which I also wouldn’t want to watch tbh and which I might also confuse with a different kind of video. I am totally on Lively’s side here.

This. Also I don't think Lively ever claimed the video was pornography. She alleged that Heath tried to show it to her with no warning or explanation, and, seeing what appeared to be nudity and an awkward position, briefly thought it was porn. Once she knew it was a birth video, she didn't allege it was pornographic.

However, the video on reddit strikes me as extremely intimate and inappropriate to share with a coworker without asking first if they want to see it. I also think showing it to Lively the day after filming the birth scene where Baldoni and Heath pressured Lively to do simulate full nudity in the scene and Baldoni made belittling comments to Lively about how it is "not normal" for a woman to wear a hospital gown during birth are what push this into harassment. They should not have pressured her to do nudity that wasn't specified in the script, should not have made those comments while pressuring her, and should definitely not have shown her the birth video the next day to, I don't know, prove their point on how women should be nude during birth? I truly cannot think of a good reason to show Lively the birth video at all, but especially not with explicitly telling her first "this is my wife's birth video, it's pretty intimate, would you like to see it." Just because Heath and his wife are happy to share these videos with whomever and post them on social media does not mean that everyone wants to see them or feels the same way.

Heath also allegedly said, when Lively asked him if he had his wife's permission to show the video, that his wife "isn't weird about" childbirth, as though being more modest about it is "weird."

If those conversations happened to me in my workplace, I would 100% view it as inappropriate and potentially harassing (depending on what else was happening in the same workplace).

So no, I don't think putting that video on instagram represents "receipts."

DP
Idk. When I read the NYT piece it seemed the implication was that they tried to force her to view porn. .. there’s been a lot of backtracking from the implications of that article which made Baldoni sound like a monster.

Did it say that or did your brain jump there.

I think a lot of people may have let their minds go to the most sensational image in their head of the original allegations. Who knows, maybe the way the NYT article was framed contributed to that, I don't know.

But if you actually read the original complaint, that's what it says -- Lively and her assistant both originally thought Heath was trying to show them porn because he showed them a bit of the video before saying what it was. At no point has Lively alleged that Heath showed her pornography, or called the birth video porn.

Libel by implication is a thing you know. And clearly that’s the assumption people would make without more context. That some creepy guy was being creepy and making her uncomfortable.

A guy WAS being creepy and it DID make her uncomfortable.

I would be very uncomfortable if a coworker with no warning started showing me their wife's birth video, without even telling me what it was first. I would also be confused and worried I was seeing something inappropriate and would stop him. If he said "it's my wife's birth video, I thought you'd want to see it" I would, like Lively, as if his wife knew he was showing it to people. If he responded yes because "she isn't weird about this stuff," I would take that as a passive aggressive comment that I was weird for not wanting to watch a total strangers birth video at work.

IMO, the forgoing paragraph absolutely describes a guy being creepy and making a coworker uncomfortable. I don't understand how you could see it otherwise.

I agree. And we’ve argued this 200 times so it should be no surprise that not everyone sees it the way Baldoni supporters do, no matter how many times they try to insist there’s only one way to see it.

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Anonymous wrote:Reddit also shows the Jamie Heath birth video that Blake claimed was pornography. I won’t post it here but wow. A family cuddling their newborn, with the birthing mom (Heath’s wife) being covered by a blanket throughout most of video. Music of Maxwell (I think) playing in the background, somewhat spiritual, a song about a woman’s worth.

And this was claimed by Blake as being pornographic—Justin and Jamie attempting to show her porn?

Wow. More receipts by Baldoni. Another fabrication by Blake.

I’m not sure what was on the screen when it was shown to Lively, but a screen grab that was posted a month ago seemed to show a mostly naked (?) Jamie Heath in a tub laying behind his also mostly naked wife, with the baby on top in a towel. What I mostly noticed from this was two mostly naked people in a tub, which I also wouldn’t want to watch tbh and which I might also confuse with a different kind of video. I am totally on Lively’s side here.

This. Also I don't think Lively ever claimed the video was pornography. She alleged that Heath tried to show it to her with no warning or explanation, and, seeing what appeared to be nudity and an awkward position, briefly thought it was porn. Once she knew it was a birth video, she didn't allege it was pornographic.

However, the video on reddit strikes me as extremely intimate and inappropriate to share with a coworker without asking first if they want to see it. I also think showing it to Lively the day after filming the birth scene where Baldoni and Heath pressured Lively to do simulate full nudity in the scene and Baldoni made belittling comments to Lively about how it is "not normal" for a woman to wear a hospital gown during birth are what push this into harassment. They should not have pressured her to do nudity that wasn't specified in the script, should not have made those comments while pressuring her, and should definitely not have shown her the birth video the next day to, I don't know, prove their point on how women should be nude during birth? I truly cannot think of a good reason to show Lively the birth video at all, but especially not with explicitly telling her first "this is my wife's birth video, it's pretty intimate, would you like to see it." Just because Heath and his wife are happy to share these videos with whomever and post them on social media does not mean that everyone wants to see them or feels the same way.

Heath also allegedly said, when Lively asked him if he had his wife's permission to show the video, that his wife "isn't weird about" childbirth, as though being more modest about it is "weird."

If those conversations happened to me in my workplace, I would 100% view it as inappropriate and potentially harassing (depending on what else was happening in the same workplace).

So no, I don't think putting that video on instagram represents "receipts."

DP
Idk. When I read the NYT piece it seemed the implication was that they tried to force her to view porn. .. there’s been a lot of backtracking from the implications of that article which made Baldoni sound like a monster.

Did it say that or did your brain jump there.

I think a lot of people may have let their minds go to the most sensational image in their head of the original allegations. Who knows, maybe the way the NYT article was framed contributed to that, I don't know.

But if you actually read the original complaint, that's what it says -- Lively and her assistant both originally thought Heath was trying to show them porn because he showed them a bit of the video before saying what it was. At no point has Lively alleged that Heath showed her pornography, or called the birth video porn.

Libel by implication is a thing you know. And clearly that’s the assumption people would make without more context. That some creepy guy was being creepy and making her uncomfortable.

A guy WAS being creepy and it DID make her uncomfortable.

I would be very uncomfortable if a coworker with no warning started showing me their wife's birth video, without even telling me what it was first. I would also be confused and worried I was seeing something inappropriate and would stop him. If he said "it's my wife's birth video, I thought you'd want to see it" I would, like Lively, as if his wife knew he was showing it to people. If he responded yes because "she isn't weird about this stuff," I would take that as a passive aggressive comment that I was weird for not wanting to watch a total strangers birth video at work.

IMO, the forgoing paragraph absolutely describes a guy being creepy and making a coworker uncomfortable. I don't understand how you could see it otherwise.

Well, it’s her allegation that she had no warning. I would guess that’s another ‘mis-remembering’ on her part. And the fact is she was acting out a birth scene and being paid well to do it. Again, this wasn’t an accounting firm. Context matters as does whether her feelings of discomfort were reasonable. The same woman who sends flirty texts about ‘using her teeth’ and being ‘spicy’ is offended by some creative direction on a scene she’s in? Sorry, a jury is just not going to buy it. She needs to settle.

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Anonymous wrote:Reddit also shows the Jamie Heath birth video that Blake claimed was pornography. I won’t post it here but wow. A family cuddling their newborn, with the birthing mom (Heath’s wife) being covered by a blanket throughout most of video. Music of Maxwell (I think) playing in the background, somewhat spiritual, a song about a woman’s worth.

And this was claimed by Blake as being pornographic—Justin and Jamie attempting to show her porn?

Wow. More receipts by Baldoni. Another fabrication by Blake.

I’m not sure what was on the screen when it was shown to Lively, but a screen grab that was posted a month ago seemed to show a mostly naked (?) Jamie Heath in a tub laying behind his also mostly naked wife, with the baby on top in a towel. What I mostly noticed from this was two mostly naked people in a tub, which I also wouldn’t want to watch tbh and which I might also confuse with a different kind of video. I am totally on Lively’s side here.

This. Also I don't think Lively ever claimed the video was pornography. She alleged that Heath tried to show it to her with no warning or explanation, and, seeing what appeared to be nudity and an awkward position, briefly thought it was porn. Once she knew it was a birth video, she didn't allege it was pornographic.

However, the video on reddit strikes me as extremely intimate and inappropriate to share with a coworker without asking first if they want to see it. I also think showing it to Lively the day after filming the birth scene where Baldoni and Heath pressured Lively to do simulate full nudity in the scene and Baldoni made belittling comments to Lively about how it is "not normal" for a woman to wear a hospital gown during birth are what push this into harassment. They should not have pressured her to do nudity that wasn't specified in the script, should not have made those comments while pressuring her, and should definitely not have shown her the birth video the next day to, I don't know, prove their point on how women should be nude during birth? I truly cannot think of a good reason to show Lively the birth video at all, but especially not with explicitly telling her first "this is my wife's birth video, it's pretty intimate, would you like to see it." Just because Heath and his wife are happy to share these videos with whomever and post them on social media does not mean that everyone wants to see them or feels the same way.

Heath also allegedly said, when Lively asked him if he had his wife's permission to show the video, that his wife "isn't weird about" childbirth, as though being more modest about it is "weird."

If those conversations happened to me in my workplace, I would 100% view it as inappropriate and potentially harassing (depending on what else was happening in the same workplace).

So no, I don't think putting that video on instagram represents "receipts."

DP
Idk. When I read the NYT piece it seemed the implication was that they tried to force her to view porn. .. there’s been a lot of backtracking from the implications of that article which made Baldoni sound like a monster.

Did it say that or did your brain jump there.

I think a lot of people may have let their minds go to the most sensational image in their head of the original allegations. Who knows, maybe the way the NYT article was framed contributed to that, I don't know.

But if you actually read the original complaint, that's what it says -- Lively and her assistant both originally thought Heath was trying to show them porn because he showed them a bit of the video before saying what it was. At no point has Lively alleged that Heath showed her pornography, or called the birth video porn.

Libel by implication is a thing you know. And clearly that’s the assumption people would make without more context. That some creepy guy was being creepy and making her uncomfortable.

A guy WAS being creepy and it DID make her uncomfortable.

I would be very uncomfortable if a coworker with no warning started showing me their wife's birth video, without even telling me what it was first. I would also be confused and worried I was seeing something inappropriate and would stop him. If he said "it's my wife's birth video, I thought you'd want to see it" I would, like Lively, as if his wife knew he was showing it to people. If he responded yes because "she isn't weird about this stuff," I would take that as a passive aggressive comment that I was weird for not wanting to watch a total strangers birth video at work.

IMO, the forgoing paragraph absolutely describes a guy being creepy and making a coworker uncomfortable. I don't understand how you could see it otherwise.

I agree. And we’ve argued this 200 times so it should be no surprise that not everyone sees it the way Baldoni supporters do, no matter how many times they try to insist there’s only one way to see it.

Pp. Yes but there is a reasonableness standard. And her claims aren’t supported

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There is nothing remotely creepy about the video. It’s a BIRTH VIDEO and Blake was shown it as” part of a creative discussion in preparation for a birthing scene in the Film.” Heath’s wife posted the video on her IG on Mother’s Day. It is not porn. Stop grabbing at straws.

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Anonymous wrote:Reddit also shows the Jamie Heath birth video that Blake claimed was pornography. I won’t post it here but wow. A family cuddling their newborn, with the birthing mom (Heath’s wife) being covered by a blanket throughout most of video. Music of Maxwell (I think) playing in the background, somewhat spiritual, a song about a woman’s worth.

And this was claimed by Blake as being pornographic—Justin and Jamie attempting to show her porn?

Wow. More receipts by Baldoni. Another fabrication by Blake.

I’m not sure what was on the screen when it was shown to Lively, but a screen grab that was posted a month ago seemed to show a mostly naked (?) Jamie Heath in a tub laying behind his also mostly naked wife, with the baby on top in a towel. What I mostly noticed from this was two mostly naked people in a tub, which I also wouldn’t want to watch tbh and which I might also confuse with a different kind of video. I am totally on Lively’s side here.

This. Also I don't think Lively ever claimed the video was pornography. She alleged that Heath tried to show it to her with no warning or explanation, and, seeing what appeared to be nudity and an awkward position, briefly thought it was porn. Once she knew it was a birth video, she didn't allege it was pornographic.

However, the video on reddit strikes me as extremely intimate and inappropriate to share with a coworker without asking first if they want to see it. I also think showing it to Lively the day after filming the birth scene where Baldoni and Heath pressured Lively to do simulate full nudity in the scene and Baldoni made belittling comments to Lively about how it is "not normal" for a woman to wear a hospital gown during birth are what push this into harassment. They should not have pressured her to do nudity that wasn't specified in the script, should not have made those comments while pressuring her, and should definitely not have shown her the birth video the next day to, I don't know, prove their point on how women should be nude during birth? I truly cannot think of a good reason to show Lively the birth video at all, but especially not with explicitly telling her first "this is my wife's birth video, it's pretty intimate, would you like to see it." Just because Heath and his wife are happy to share these videos with whomever and post them on social media does not mean that everyone wants to see them or feels the same way.

Heath also allegedly said, when Lively asked him if he had his wife's permission to show the video, that his wife "isn't weird about" childbirth, as though being more modest about it is "weird."

If those conversations happened to me in my workplace, I would 100% view it as inappropriate and potentially harassing (depending on what else was happening in the same workplace).

So no, I don't think putting that video on instagram represents "receipts."

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Idk. When I read the NYT piece it seemed the implication was that they tried to force her to view porn. .. there’s been a lot of backtracking from the implications of that article which made Baldoni sound like a monster.

Did it say that or did your brain jump there.

I think a lot of people may have let their minds go to the most sensational image in their head of the original allegations. Who knows, maybe the way the NYT article was framed contributed to that, I don't know.

But if you actually read the original complaint, that's what it says -- Lively and her assistant both originally thought Heath was trying to show them porn because he showed them a bit of the video before saying what it was. At no point has Lively alleged that Heath showed her pornography, or called the birth video porn.

Libel by implication is a thing you know. And clearly that’s the assumption people would make without more context. That some creepy guy was being creepy and making her uncomfortable.

A guy WAS being creepy and it DID make her uncomfortable.

I would be very uncomfortable if a coworker with no warning started showing me their wife's birth video, without even telling me what it was first. I would also be confused and worried I was seeing something inappropriate and would stop him. If he said "it's my wife's birth video, I thought you'd want to see it" I would, like Lively, as if his wife knew he was showing it to people. If he responded yes because "she isn't weird about this stuff," I would take that as a passive aggressive comment that I was weird for not wanting to watch a total strangers birth video at work.

IMO, the forgoing paragraph absolutely describes a guy being creepy and making a coworker uncomfortable. I don't understand how you could see it otherwise.

Well, it’s her allegation that she had no warning. I would guess that’s another ‘mis-remembering’ on her part. And the fact is she was acting out a birth scene and being paid well to do it. Again, this wasn’t an accounting firm. Context matters as does whether her feelings of discomfort were reasonable. The same woman who sends flirty texts about ‘using her teeth’ and being ‘spicy’ is offended by some creative direction on a scene she’s in? Sorry, a jury is just not going to buy it. She needs to settle.

Nope, Baldoni and Heath corroborate her account. From their Exhibit A timeline:

During lunch, as part of a continued creative discussion that Baldoni and Lively were having about the hospital birthing scene, Baldoni asked Heath to show Lively his wife’s post-home-birth video, stating to Heath that Lively had not seen one and was presumably interested in watching. Baldoni himself had seen the video prior and felt it was demonstrative of the spirit of his vision for the birthing scene. Heath agreed to share this deeply personal video and approached Lively with the video in hand. He proceeded to show her one second of it before Lively asked if Heath had permission to share the video, to which Heath confirmed that he did. Lively stated she would like to see the video but asked to watch it after finishing her lunch. Heath did not press the matter and moved on. (NOTE: Lively never did see the video beyond the one-second clip shown to her).

Heath even acknowledges the video was "deeply personal" and adds the detail that Baldoni told him to show it to Lively because she was "presumably interested" -- indicating they assumed she'd want to see it (because they are creepy) but did not ask her if she wanted to see it.

These guys are weird, sorry. This is their own description of what happened and all I see are red flags.

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Anonymous wrote:There is nothing remotely creepy about the video. It’s a BIRTH VIDEO and Blake was shown it as” part of a creative discussion in preparation for a birthing scene in the Film.” Heath’s wife posted the video on her IG on Mother’s Day. It is not porn. Stop grabbing at straws.

Incorrect. By Baldoni's own admission, the video was shown the day AFTER the birth scene was filmed.

No one said it was porn. It was still inappropriate and harassing.

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As much as I'm dying to relitigate the birth video issues, there's more on the Venable subpoena.

First of all, Venable filed its motion to quash in DC federal court, not SDNY, because Venable is a DC firm and it was served in DC.

Lively's motion to intervene was also served in DC, so this will be ruled on by another court, not Liman, unless it's removed.

And Lively included a series of emails with her motion to intervene, showing that they had attempted to discuss the matter with Wayfarer's lawyers but Wayfarer refused to allow them to have input on the Venable subpoena because, Wayfarer contends in the emails, it's a third party subpoena that doesn't concern Lively.

Thus the motion to intervene was filed.

Here is the attachment with the emails, they are quite spicy IMO: https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.dcd.280496/gov.uscourts.dcd.280496.5.1.pdf

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Anonymous wrote:Reddit also shows the Jamie Heath birth video that Blake claimed was pornography. I won’t post it here but wow. A family cuddling their newborn, with the birthing mom (Heath’s wife) being covered by a blanket throughout most of video. Music of Maxwell (I think) playing in the background, somewhat spiritual, a song about a woman’s worth.

And this was claimed by Blake as being pornographic—Justin and Jamie attempting to show her porn?

Wow. More receipts by Baldoni. Another fabrication by Blake.

I’m not sure what was on the screen when it was shown to Lively, but a screen grab that was posted a month ago seemed to show a mostly naked (?) Jamie Heath in a tub laying behind his also mostly naked wife, with the baby on top in a towel. What I mostly noticed from this was two mostly naked people in a tub, which I also wouldn’t want to watch tbh and which I might also confuse with a different kind of video. I am totally on Lively’s side here.

This. Also I don't think Lively ever claimed the video was pornography. She alleged that Heath tried to show it to her with no warning or explanation, and, seeing what appeared to be nudity and an awkward position, briefly thought it was porn. Once she knew it was a birth video, she didn't allege it was pornographic.

However, the video on reddit strikes me as extremely intimate and inappropriate to share with a coworker without asking first if they want to see it. I also think showing it to Lively the day after filming the birth scene where Baldoni and Heath pressured Lively to do simulate full nudity in the scene and Baldoni made belittling comments to Lively about how it is "not normal" for a woman to wear a hospital gown during birth are what push this into harassment. They should not have pressured her to do nudity that wasn't specified in the script, should not have made those comments while pressuring her, and should definitely not have shown her the birth video the next day to, I don't know, prove their point on how women should be nude during birth? I truly cannot think of a good reason to show Lively the birth video at all, but especially not with explicitly telling her first "this is my wife's birth video, it's pretty intimate, would you like to see it." Just because Heath and his wife are happy to share these videos with whomever and post them on social media does not mean that everyone wants to see them or feels the same way.

Heath also allegedly said, when Lively asked him if he had his wife's permission to show the video, that his wife "isn't weird about" childbirth, as though being more modest about it is "weird."

If those conversations happened to me in my workplace, I would 100% view it as inappropriate and potentially harassing (depending on what else was happening in the same workplace).

So no, I don't think putting that video on instagram represents "receipts."

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Idk. When I read the NYT piece it seemed the implication was that they tried to force her to view porn. .. there’s been a lot of backtracking from the implications of that article which made Baldoni sound like a monster.

Did it say that or did your brain jump there.

I think a lot of people may have let their minds go to the most sensational image in their head of the original allegations. Who knows, maybe the way the NYT article was framed contributed to that, I don't know.

But if you actually read the original complaint, that's what it says -- Lively and her assistant both originally thought Heath was trying to show them porn because he showed them a bit of the video before saying what it was. At no point has Lively alleged that Heath showed her pornography, or called the birth video porn.

Libel by implication is a thing you know. And clearly that’s the assumption people would make without more context. That some creepy guy was being creepy and making her uncomfortable.

A guy WAS being creepy and it DID make her uncomfortable.

I would be very uncomfortable if a coworker with no warning started showing me their wife's birth video, without even telling me what it was first. I would also be confused and worried I was seeing something inappropriate and would stop him. If he said "it's my wife's birth video, I thought you'd want to see it" I would, like Lively, as if his wife knew he was showing it to people. If he responded yes because "she isn't weird about this stuff," I would take that as a passive aggressive comment that I was weird for not wanting to watch a total strangers birth video at work.

IMO, the forgoing paragraph absolutely describes a guy being creepy and making a coworker uncomfortable. I don't understand how you could see it otherwise.

I agree. And we’ve argued this 200 times so it should be no surprise that not everyone sees it the way Baldoni supporters do, no matter how many times they try to insist there’s only one way to see it.

Pp. Yes but there is a reasonableness standard. And her claims aren’t supported

Heath did show Lively a video of his wife naked, so no lies there. If someone started to show me that video on their phone, of a naked woman in a tub, with or without a baby mostly covered by a towel, I might also think it was pron. I find her reaction reasonable

I guess you all find it reasonable for dude (producer of film you are working on) who is kind of your boss to show you a naked video of his wife giving birth after your birth scene has already been shot, I guess to drive it home that you are prude for not wanting to be shown topless in the birthing scene of a PG13 movie.

I guess our standards on reasonableness differ.

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Anonymous wrote:There is nothing remotely creepy about the video. It’s a BIRTH VIDEO and Blake was shown it as” part of a creative discussion in preparation for a birthing scene in the Film.” Heath’s wife posted the video on her IG on Mother’s Day. It is not porn. Stop grabbing at straws.

Incorrect. By Baldoni's own admission, the video was shown the day AFTER the birth scene was filmed.

No one said it was porn. It was still inappropriate and harassing.

It was definitely implied. Context is everything. After watching it for the first time, I’m stunned by Blake’s reaction of it. I had to watch it a few times because I can’t fathom how another mother would be so disgusted by it.

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Anonymous wrote:Reddit also shows the Jamie Heath birth video that Blake claimed was pornography. I won’t post it here but wow. A family cuddling their newborn, with the birthing mom (Heath’s wife) being covered by a blanket throughout most of video. Music of Maxwell (I think) playing in the background, somewhat spiritual, a song about a woman’s worth.

And this was claimed by Blake as being pornographic—Justin and Jamie attempting to show her porn?

Wow. More receipts by Baldoni. Another fabrication by Blake.

People are speculating that SNL weekend update continues to troll Blake. If anyone saw, they had Heidi Gardner come on and play a middle-aged Karen, who was terrified of going to New York City because of what she read on Facebook.

At one point, she basically had this schtick where everything she was seeing was P-RN! EVERYWHERE!

I saw this skit and Sunday night and it’s trolling insular tourists who don’t know anything about NYC themselves but believe crazy things that people post about NYC on Facebook. It’s quite a stretch to make this skit “be about” someone who actually lives in NYC. The lady would not let go of her purse, was afraid Jost was after her cash, and was concerned about crackheads stealing her EarPods. Don’t think they would have put in this stuff or bits like how Karen buys her clothes off QVC if intended as a Lively burn.

I don’t think the lady was supposed to represent Blake, just they were making fun of that element. A lot of people see Blake as a Karen, who, when a black man showed her something she immediately assumed it was of a sexual nature, cause you know, she got married on a plantation, and had a full lifestyle brand based on the antebellum South.

This can piss you off, it clearly does, but don’t shoot the messenger here. There’s a ton of posters online really annoyed with her about this accusation. And since SNL has made fun of her multiple times in subtle ways, including when she was actually in the audience during the 50th, it’s certainly not a stretch.

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Anonymous wrote:Reddit also shows the Jamie Heath birth video that Blake claimed was pornography. I won’t post it here but wow. A family cuddling their newborn, with the birthing mom (Heath’s wife) being covered by a blanket throughout most of video. Music of Maxwell (I think) playing in the background, somewhat spiritual, a song about a woman’s worth.

And this was claimed by Blake as being pornographic—Justin and Jamie attempting to show her porn?

Wow. More receipts by Baldoni. Another fabrication by Blake.

People are speculating that SNL weekend update continues to troll Blake. If anyone saw, they had Heidi Gardner come on and play a middle-aged Karen, who was terrified of going to New York City because of what she read on Facebook.

At one point, she basically had this schtick where everything she was seeing was P-RN! EVERYWHERE!

I saw this skit and Sunday night and it’s trolling insular tourists who don’t know anything about NYC themselves but believe crazy things that people post about NYC on Facebook. It’s quite a stretch to make this skit “be about” someone who actually lives in NYC. The lady would not let go of her purse, was afraid Jost was after her cash, and was concerned about crackheads stealing her EarPods. Don’t think they would have put in this stuff or bits like how Karen buys her clothes off QVC if intended as a Lively burn.

I don’t think the lady was supposed to represent Blake, just they were making fun of that element. A lot of people see Blake as a Karen, who, when a black man showed her something she immediately assumed it was of a sexual nature, cause you know, she got married on a plantation, and had a full lifestyle brand based on the antebellum South.

This can piss you off, it clearly does, but don’t shoot the messenger here. There’s a ton of posters online really annoyed with her about this accusation. And since SNL has made fun of her multiple times in subtle ways, including when she was actually in the audience during the 50th, it’s certainly not a stretch.

I just think that this and several of the other “SNL is roasting Lively so hard” comments that have been made here are wishful fabrications of Baldoni fans that are disconnected from reality. You can claim it’s a roast, and I can disagree.