FCPS Boundary Review - New Maps

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Anonymous wrote:I am going to be upset if they don't address transfers for MS AAP. Our base school is Rocky Run and also my kid is in AAP. Looking at the transfer data, it looks like a significant portion of those in AAP at Rocky Run transfer there from out of pyramid, then go off to Westfield or Centreville HS. Sounds brutal as far as friendships go for everyone, especially once they reach HS.

Every middle school should have AAP and Carson and Rocky Run should stop serving so many kids who live outside their base boundaries.

But if you pull the AAP placements out of Rocky Run, you're left with a very small school unless they also expand the base boundaries.

I”m confused what the AAP middle school thing solves. Let’s say the board says: Great idea! Let’s try again! No AAP centers in middle schools.

Won’t that just draw out the process and make it even MORE impactful for MORE kids and pyramids?

This idea doesn’t seem viable.

It is absolutely viable, and certainly more disruptive in some areas than what they've proposed so far.

But it's inconsistent to pretend that attendance islands and split feeders are so terrible because they don't create enough of a sense of community or send kids to multiple schools, and then maintain MS AAP centers where the kids can go on to 3 or more high schools.

So you are arguing the board should dismantle and disrupt even MORE kids lives to win a point?

“Be careful what you wish for”

I’m picking up on the comment by a PP that the AAP split at Rocky Run means a lot of friendships in middle school are disrupted.

They can change that and have AAP at every middle school but it means expanding the base boundaries of some schools like Rocky Run.

And, yes, it’s hypocritical for them to pretend they are doing others a big favor by eliminating an attendance island or split feeder if they are continuing to have middle school AAP centers that feed into three or more high schools.

Just because you may not be affected by the most recent proposals doesn’t mean others can’t point out these inconsistencies.

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Anonymous wrote:I am going to be upset if they don't address transfers for MS AAP. Our base school is Rocky Run and also my kid is in AAP. Looking at the transfer data, it looks like a significant portion of those in AAP at Rocky Run transfer there from out of pyramid, then go off to Westfield or Centreville HS. Sounds brutal as far as friendships go for everyone, especially once they reach HS.

Every middle school should have AAP and Carson and Rocky Run should stop serving so many kids who live outside their base boundaries.

But if you pull the AAP placements out of Rocky Run, you're left with a very small school unless they also expand the base boundaries.

I”m confused what the AAP middle school thing solves. Let’s say the board says: Great idea! Let’s try again! No AAP centers in middle schools.

Won’t that just draw out the process and make it even MORE impactful for MORE kids and pyramids?

This idea doesn’t seem viable.

It is absolutely viable, and certainly more disruptive in some areas than what they've proposed so far.

But it's inconsistent to pretend that attendance islands and split feeders are so terrible because they don't create enough of a sense of community or send kids to multiple schools, and then maintain MS AAP centers where the kids can go on to 3 or more high schools.

So you are arguing the board should dismantle and disrupt even MORE kids lives to win a point?

“Be careful what you wish for”

How would it disrupt? Rising 8th graders would stay where they are - no disruption. Rising 7th graders would go to their home MS for both years. No disruption that doesn’t already exist when a student goes from ES to MS.

Are you really this short sighted? Some/many of the AAP centers get kids out of nearly crowded schools and pull them into less crowded schools. Then, when you pull out the AAP kids, the less crowded middle schools are underused and the influx of AAP kids means middle schools become overcrowded and THEN you have to redistrict everyone.

Brilliant!

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Anonymous wrote:I am going to be upset if they don't address transfers for MS AAP. Our base school is Rocky Run and also my kid is in AAP. Looking at the transfer data, it looks like a significant portion of those in AAP at Rocky Run transfer there from out of pyramid, then go off to Westfield or Centreville HS. Sounds brutal as far as friendships go for everyone, especially once they reach HS.

Every middle school should have AAP and Carson and Rocky Run should stop serving so many kids who live outside their base boundaries.

But if you pull the AAP placements out of Rocky Run, you're left with a very small school unless they also expand the base boundaries.

I”m confused what the AAP middle school thing solves. Let’s say the board says: Great idea! Let’s try again! No AAP centers in middle schools.

Won’t that just draw out the process and make it even MORE impactful for MORE kids and pyramids?

This idea doesn’t seem viable.

It is absolutely viable, and certainly more disruptive in some areas than what they've proposed so far.

But it's inconsistent to pretend that attendance islands and split feeders are so terrible because they don't create enough of a sense of community or send kids to multiple schools, and then maintain MS AAP centers where the kids can go on to 3 or more high schools.

So you are arguing the board should dismantle and disrupt even MORE kids lives to win a point?

“Be careful what you wish for”

I’m picking up on the comment by a PP that the AAP split at Rocky Run means a lot of friendships in middle school are disrupted.

They can change that and have AAP at every middle school but it means expanding the base boundaries of some schools like Rocky Run.

And, yes, it’s hypocritical for them to pretend they are doing others a big favor by eliminating an attendance island or split feeder if they are continuing to have middle school AAP centers that feed into three or more high schools.

Just because you may not be affected by the most recent proposals doesn’t mean others can’t point out these inconsistencies.

Pointing out inconsistencies is very different than advocating for policies that create more disruptions for schools.

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Anonymous wrote:I am going to be upset if they don't address transfers for MS AAP. Our base school is Rocky Run and also my kid is in AAP. Looking at the transfer data, it looks like a significant portion of those in AAP at Rocky Run transfer there from out of pyramid, then go off to Westfield or Centreville HS. Sounds brutal as far as friendships go for everyone, especially once they reach HS.

Every middle school should have AAP and Carson and Rocky Run should stop serving so many kids who live outside their base boundaries.

But if you pull the AAP placements out of Rocky Run, you're left with a very small school unless they also expand the base boundaries.

I”m confused what the AAP middle school thing solves. Let’s say the board says: Great idea! Let’s try again! No AAP centers in middle schools.

Won’t that just draw out the process and make it even MORE impactful for MORE kids and pyramids?

This idea doesn’t seem viable.

It is absolutely viable, and certainly more disruptive in some areas than what they've proposed so far.

But it's inconsistent to pretend that attendance islands and split feeders are so terrible because they don't create enough of a sense of community or send kids to multiple schools, and then maintain MS AAP centers where the kids can go on to 3 or more high schools.

So you are arguing the board should dismantle and disrupt even MORE kids lives to win a point?

“Be careful what you wish for”

I’m picking up on the comment by a PP that the AAP split at Rocky Run means a lot of friendships in middle school are disrupted.

They can change that and have AAP at every middle school but it means expanding the base boundaries of some schools like Rocky Run.

And, yes, it’s hypocritical for them to pretend they are doing others a big favor by eliminating an attendance island or split feeder if they are continuing to have middle school AAP centers that feed into three or more high schools.

Just because you may not be affected by the most recent proposals doesn’t mean others can’t point out these inconsistencies.

Pointing out inconsistencies is very different than advocating for policies that create more disruptions for schools.

Disruption is OK if it’s in service of something that provides a clear long-term benefit. There’s a reasonable argument that it would be better if every middle school had AAP and we got rid of the current model where kids are bused to centers rather than to their base schools. But, realistically, if we do that, it will require some boundary adjustments that some may find disruptive in the short term.

Not every situation would be the same. You could eliminate the AAP center at Glasgow and it wouldn’t require any boundary changes; rather, it would just make better use of available capacity at Holmes and Poe. But in Rocky Run’s case, if you eliminated the center, you’d likely need to adjust some boundaries to avoid under-enrollment at Rocky Run and overcrowding elsewhere.

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But in Rocky Run’s case, if you eliminated the center, you’d likely need to adjust some boundaries to avoid under-enrollment at Rocky Run and overcrowding elsewhere.

Take the kids from Franklin that live south of 50 and put them in Rocky Run. Logical and easy.

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Anonymous wrote:I am going to be upset if they don't address transfers for MS AAP. Our base school is Rocky Run and also my kid is in AAP. Looking at the transfer data, it looks like a significant portion of those in AAP at Rocky Run transfer there from out of pyramid, then go off to Westfield or Centreville HS. Sounds brutal as far as friendships go for everyone, especially once they reach HS.

Every middle school should have AAP and Carson and Rocky Run should stop serving so many kids who live outside their base boundaries.

But if you pull the AAP placements out of Rocky Run, you're left with a very small school unless they also expand the base boundaries.

I”m confused what the AAP middle school thing solves. Let’s say the board says: Great idea! Let’s try again! No AAP centers in middle schools.

Won’t that just draw out the process and make it even MORE impactful for MORE kids and pyramids?

This idea doesn’t seem viable.

It is absolutely viable, and certainly more disruptive in some areas than what they've proposed so far.

But it's inconsistent to pretend that attendance islands and split feeders are so terrible because they don't create enough of a sense of community or send kids to multiple schools, and then maintain MS AAP centers where the kids can go on to 3 or more high schools.

So you are arguing the board should dismantle and disrupt even MORE kids lives to win a point?

“Be careful what you wish for”

I’m picking up on the comment by a PP that the AAP split at Rocky Run means a lot of friendships in middle school are disrupted.

They can change that and have AAP at every middle school but it means expanding the base boundaries of some schools like Rocky Run.

And, yes, it’s hypocritical for them to pretend they are doing others a big favor by eliminating an attendance island or split feeder if they are continuing to have middle school AAP centers that feed into three or more high schools.

Just because you may not be affected by the most recent proposals doesn’t mean others can’t point out these inconsistencies.

Pointing out inconsistencies is very different than advocating for policies that create more disruptions for schools.

Disruption is OK if it’s in service of something that provides a clear long-term benefit. There’s a reasonable argument that it would be better if every middle school had AAP and we got rid of the current model where kids are bused to centers rather than to their base schools. But, realistically, if we do that, it will require some boundary adjustments that some may find disruptive in the short term.

Not every situation would be the same. You could eliminate the AAP center at Glasgow and it wouldn’t require any boundary changes; rather, it would just make better use of available capacity at Holmes and Poe. But in Rocky Run’s case, if you eliminated the center, you’d likely need to adjust some boundaries to avoid under-enrollment at Rocky Run and overcrowding elsewhere.

Since it isonly 2 years, middle school is without a doubt the best, least disruptive and easiest place to rezone.

You could grandfather all current students, and the entire feeder pattern could be fixed in just one year with minimal disruption, with the high school enrollment balanced in 2-3 years, withoit touching a single highschool student.

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Anonymous wrote:I am going to be upset if they don't address transfers for MS AAP. Our base school is Rocky Run and also my kid is in AAP. Looking at the transfer data, it looks like a significant portion of those in AAP at Rocky Run transfer there from out of pyramid, then go off to Westfield or Centreville HS. Sounds brutal as far as friendships go for everyone, especially once they reach HS.

Oh please. Try sending your child to Carson. Kids go to Chantilly, Westfield, South Lakes, and Oakton. What's even crazier about that situation is that it's one or two ES's per school. that Western ES can't come soon enough.

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Ha, I mean HS.

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Anonymous wrote:I am going to be upset if they don't address transfers for MS AAP. Our base school is Rocky Run and also my kid is in AAP. Looking at the transfer data, it looks like a significant portion of those in AAP at Rocky Run transfer there from out of pyramid, then go off to Westfield or Centreville HS. Sounds brutal as far as friendships go for everyone, especially once they reach HS.

Every middle school should have AAP and Carson and Rocky Run should stop serving so many kids who live outside their base boundaries.

But if you pull the AAP placements out of Rocky Run, you're left with a very small school unless they also expand the base boundaries.

I”m confused what the AAP middle school thing solves. Let’s say the board says: Great idea! Let’s try again! No AAP centers in middle schools.

Won’t that just draw out the process and make it even MORE impactful for MORE kids and pyramids?

This idea doesn’t seem viable.

Found the Navy mom!!!! 👆

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I am going to be upset if they don't address transfers for MS AAP. Our base school is Rocky Run and also my kid is in AAP. Looking at the transfer data, it looks like a significant portion of those in AAP at Rocky Run transfer there from out of pyramid, then go off to Westfield or Centreville HS. Sounds brutal as far as friendships go for everyone, especially once they reach HS.

Every middle school should have AAP and Carson and Rocky Run should stop serving so many kids who live outside their base boundaries.

But if you pull the AAP placements out of Rocky Run, you're left with a very small school unless they also expand the base boundaries.

I”m confused what the AAP middle school thing solves. Let’s say the board says: Great idea! Let’s try again! No AAP centers in middle schools.

Won’t that just draw out the process and make it even MORE impactful for MORE kids and pyramids?

This idea doesn’t seem viable.

It is absolutely viable, and certainly more disruptive in some areas than what they've proposed so far.

But it's inconsistent to pretend that attendance islands and split feeders are so terrible because they don't create enough of a sense of community or send kids to multiple schools, and then maintain MS AAP centers where the kids can go on to 3 or more high schools.

So you are arguing the board should dismantle and disrupt even MORE kids lives to win a point?

“Be careful what you wish for”

It would actually be less disruptive. All ES kids would stay together instead of sending a small percentage to the AAP Center. I know their mommies want them to end up at TJ, but I always feel bad for Navy kids who get pulled away from their ES friends and then make new friends in MS, but don't go to high school with ANY of them.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I am going to be upset if they don't address transfers for MS AAP. Our base school is Rocky Run and also my kid is in AAP. Looking at the transfer data, it looks like a significant portion of those in AAP at Rocky Run transfer there from out of pyramid, then go off to Westfield or Centreville HS. Sounds brutal as far as friendships go for everyone, especially once they reach HS.

Every middle school should have AAP and Carson and Rocky Run should stop serving so many kids who live outside their base boundaries.

But if you pull the AAP placements out of Rocky Run, you're left with a very small school unless they also expand the base boundaries.

I”m confused what the AAP middle school thing solves. Let’s say the board says: Great idea! Let’s try again! No AAP centers in middle schools.

Won’t that just draw out the process and make it even MORE impactful for MORE kids and pyramids?

This idea doesn’t seem viable.

It is absolutely viable, and certainly more disruptive in some areas than what they've proposed so far.

But it's inconsistent to pretend that attendance islands and split feeders are so terrible because they don't create enough of a sense of community or send kids to multiple schools, and then maintain MS AAP centers where the kids can go on to 3 or more high schools.

So you are arguing the board should dismantle and disrupt even MORE kids lives to win a point?

“Be careful what you wish for”

It would actually be less disruptive. All ES kids would stay together instead of sending a small percentage to the AAP Center. I know their mommies want them to end up at TJ, but I always feel bad for Navy kids who get pulled away from their ES friends and then make new friends in MS, but don't go to high school with ANY of them.

As a Waples Mill AAP parent I agree. I wish our AAP elementary center wasn't out-of-pyramid Hunters Woods so my kids would at least be staying with other kids who will go to Oakton. Then their AAP middle should be Franklin and not the center at Carson. I know we have the option to choose to go to Franklin for local AAP, but when the vast majority of their friends from the 3rd grade AAP split on are all going to Carson that is where they want to go too. Just means they'll have a hard time starting high school only knowing the small slice of kids from Carson who go there.
And don't @ me with the local level IV at Waples. Local AAP is a joke when all the other kids who still have the option to go to the center all leave.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I am going to be upset if they don't address transfers for MS AAP. Our base school is Rocky Run and also my kid is in AAP. Looking at the transfer data, it looks like a significant portion of those in AAP at Rocky Run transfer there from out of pyramid, then go off to Westfield or Centreville HS. Sounds brutal as far as friendships go for everyone, especially once they reach HS.

Oh please. Try sending your child to Carson. Kids go to Chantilly, Westfield, South Lakes, and Oakton. What's even crazier about that situation is that it's one or two ES's per school. that Western ES can't come soon enough.

Great, so they split amongst 4 schools instead of 3. What might be more constructive to just agree that zoning for both of these schools really has a lot of room for improvement.

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Anonymous wrote:I am going to be upset if they don't address transfers for MS AAP. Our base school is Rocky Run and also my kid is in AAP. Looking at the transfer data, it looks like a significant portion of those in AAP at Rocky Run transfer there from out of pyramid, then go off to Westfield or Centreville HS. Sounds brutal as far as friendships go for everyone, especially once they reach HS.

Every middle school should have AAP and Carson and Rocky Run should stop serving so many kids who live outside their base boundaries.

But if you pull the AAP placements out of Rocky Run, you're left with a very small school unless they also expand the base boundaries.

I”m confused what the AAP middle school thing solves. Let’s say the board says: Great idea! Let’s try again! No AAP centers in middle schools.

Won’t that just draw out the process and make it even MORE impactful for MORE kids and pyramids?

This idea doesn’t seem viable.

It is absolutely viable, and certainly more disruptive in some areas than what they've proposed so far.

But it's inconsistent to pretend that attendance islands and split feeders are so terrible because they don't create enough of a sense of community or send kids to multiple schools, and then maintain MS AAP centers where the kids can go on to 3 or more high schools.

So you are arguing the board should dismantle and disrupt even MORE kids lives to win a point?

“Be careful what you wish for”

It would actually be less disruptive. All ES kids would stay together instead of sending a small percentage to the AAP Center. I know their mommies want them to end up at TJ, but I always feel bad for Navy kids who get pulled away from their ES friends and then make new friends in MS, but don't go to high school with ANY of them.

No, I’m saying it would be more disruptive to the current boundary process, the current students attending middle schools and upper elementary. It would move around a lot more families than were presented in the last boundary maps because it would create capacity issues at some middle schools which would make them have to redraw even more boundaries.

I’m not anti the principle and opted for AAP at our local middle school, BUT at this point, would mean more changes for more people.

Sure feel bad for the Navy kids, but also know the parents chose that. I don’t know where they go to middle school, but the AAP center school would have a population hole if you took the center away and that would need to be filled by redrawing boundaries. It is the domino effect.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I am going to be upset if they don't address transfers for MS AAP. Our base school is Rocky Run and also my kid is in AAP. Looking at the transfer data, it looks like a significant portion of those in AAP at Rocky Run transfer there from out of pyramid, then go off to Westfield or Centreville HS. Sounds brutal as far as friendships go for everyone, especially once they reach HS.

Every middle school should have AAP and Carson and Rocky Run should stop serving so many kids who live outside their base boundaries.

But if you pull the AAP placements out of Rocky Run, you're left with a very small school unless they also expand the base boundaries.

I”m confused what the AAP middle school thing solves. Let’s say the board says: Great idea! Let’s try again! No AAP centers in middle schools.

Won’t that just draw out the process and make it even MORE impactful for MORE kids and pyramids?

This idea doesn’t seem viable.

It is absolutely viable, and certainly more disruptive in some areas than what they've proposed so far.

But it's inconsistent to pretend that attendance islands and split feeders are so terrible because they don't create enough of a sense of community or send kids to multiple schools, and then maintain MS AAP centers where the kids can go on to 3 or more high schools.

So you are arguing the board should dismantle and disrupt even MORE kids lives to win a point?

“Be careful what you wish for”

I’m picking up on the comment by a PP that the AAP split at Rocky Run means a lot of friendships in middle school are disrupted.

They can change that and have AAP at every middle school but it means expanding the base boundaries of some schools like Rocky Run.

And, yes, it’s hypocritical for them to pretend they are doing others a big favor by eliminating an attendance island or split feeder if they are continuing to have middle school AAP centers that feed into three or more high schools.

Just because you may not be affected by the most recent proposals doesn’t mean others can’t point out these inconsistencies.

Pointing out inconsistencies is very different than advocating for policies that create more disruptions for schools.

Disruption is OK if it’s in service of something that provides a clear long-term benefit. There’s a reasonable argument that it would be better if every middle school had AAP and we got rid of the current model where kids are bused to centers rather than to their base schools. But, realistically, if we do that, it will require some boundary adjustments that some may find disruptive in the short term.

Not every situation would be the same. You could eliminate the AAP center at Glasgow and it wouldn’t require any boundary changes; rather, it would just make better use of available capacity at Holmes and Poe. But in Rocky Run’s case, if you eliminated the center, you’d likely need to adjust some boundaries to avoid under-enrollment at Rocky Run and overcrowding elsewhere.

I do not agree that disruption is OK if it is in service of something that provides long-term benefit. In particular, disruptions during a time of unease in federal policies and workforce should not be made larger.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I am going to be upset if they don't address transfers for MS AAP. Our base school is Rocky Run and also my kid is in AAP. Looking at the transfer data, it looks like a significant portion of those in AAP at Rocky Run transfer there from out of pyramid, then go off to Westfield or Centreville HS. Sounds brutal as far as friendships go for everyone, especially once they reach HS.

Every middle school should have AAP and Carson and Rocky Run should stop serving so many kids who live outside their base boundaries.

But if you pull the AAP placements out of Rocky Run, you're left with a very small school unless they also expand the base boundaries.

I”m confused what the AAP middle school thing solves. Let’s say the board says: Great idea! Let’s try again! No AAP centers in middle schools.

Won’t that just draw out the process and make it even MORE impactful for MORE kids and pyramids?

This idea doesn’t seem viable.

It is absolutely viable, and certainly more disruptive in some areas than what they've proposed so far.

But it's inconsistent to pretend that attendance islands and split feeders are so terrible because they don't create enough of a sense of community or send kids to multiple schools, and then maintain MS AAP centers where the kids can go on to 3 or more high schools.

So you are arguing the board should dismantle and disrupt even MORE kids lives to win a point?

“Be careful what you wish for”

It would actually be less disruptive. All ES kids would stay together instead of sending a small percentage to the AAP Center. I know their mommies want them to end up at TJ, but I always feel bad for Navy kids who get pulled away from their ES friends and then make new friends in MS, but don't go to high school with ANY of them.

No, I’m saying it would be more disruptive to the current boundary process, the current students attending middle schools and upper elementary. It would move around a lot more families than were presented in the last boundary maps because it would create capacity issues at some middle schools which would make them have to redraw even more boundaries.

I’m not anti the principle and opted for AAP at our local middle school, BUT at this point, would mean more changes for more people.

Sure feel bad for the Navy kids, but also know the parents chose that. I don’t know where they go to middle school, but the AAP center school would have a population hole if you took the center away and that would need to be filled by redrawing boundaries. It is the domino effect.

It would be the least disruptive way to rezone.

Elementary and high school students would not be touched, with a few exceptionsat a couple of elementary schools. The changes would all occur over 2 years at the middle school level, as each new 7th grade class enters.

It would be about as seamless as a rezoning could be.

The rezoning should only happen at the middle school level, with every current student grandfathered at their existing school, switching only when they ove between school levels.

Add a residency check in 7th and 9th, and you have the best possible outcome for county wide rezoning.