Has Duran gone mad? (APS)

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Anonymous wrote:Wow. 19 cases in a preschool. That IS significant. How can that be if they are staying 6 feet and wearing masks?

THEY ARENT, welcome to what teachers have been saying for months. Mitigation does not work once you have too many kids to meaningfully monitor it constantly.

pretty sure our elementary teachers aren't changing diapers and putting our kids down for naps, etc...

Nope, we will be in close proximity to help with a math problem, help with the proper way to hold a pencil or scissors, or view an unknown word from a book, just to name a few.

DP. But you’ve already told us you won’t be, that hybrid will be a terrible environment specifically because you won’t be allowed to do those things. Which is it?

Different teacher. I’m not elementary but I can say 100-% I’m not going to a kids desk and they’re not coming to mine in school. I’m not breaking that 6 feet because if I do and later get CoVID, they’ll claim I couldn’t have gotten it at school since the 6 foot protocol exists.

So then you admit that a daycare outbreak isn’t relevant to what you would be doing in school?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I wouldn’t be so quick to equate APE members with those who selected hybrid for when it is deemed safe. APE wants to open at the peak of the pandemic. I’m doubtful that most hybrid selectees feel that way. I know the APE parent at our PTA meeting thinks everyone is OK going back in January. We may find out soon. Still think teachers/Arlington Ed Association should consider their own suit against APS and perhaps the state on safety grounds.

+1. I selected hybrid because I trusted APS to not reopen until metrics improve. I think the APE position to go back in January is going to screw us all.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow. 19 cases in a preschool. That IS significant. How can that be if they are staying 6 feet and wearing masks?

THEY ARENT, welcome to what teachers have been saying for months. Mitigation does not work once you have too many kids to meaningfully monitor it constantly.

pretty sure our elementary teachers aren't changing diapers and putting our kids down for naps, etc...

Nope, we will be in close proximity to help with a math problem, help with the proper way to hold a pencil or scissors, or view an unknown word from a book, just to name a few.

DP. But you’ve already told us you won’t be, that hybrid will be a terrible environment specifically because you won’t be allowed to do those things. Which is it?

Different teacher. I’m not elementary but I can say 100-% I’m not going to a kids desk and they’re not coming to mine in school. I’m not breaking that 6 feet because if I do and later get CoVID, they’ll claim I couldn’t have gotten it at school since the 6 foot protocol exists.

So then you admit that a daycare outbreak isn’t relevant to what you would be doing in school?

If a daycare breakout is due to staff or kids not wearing masks or keeping distance then yea it still relates to what I do

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Anonymous wrote:Wow. 19 cases in a preschool. That IS significant. How can that be if they are staying 6 feet and wearing masks?

THEY ARENT, welcome to what teachers have been saying for months. Mitigation does not work once you have too many kids to meaningfully monitor it constantly.

pretty sure our elementary teachers aren't changing diapers and putting our kids down for naps, etc...

Nope, we will be in close proximity to help with a math problem, help with the proper way to hold a pencil or scissors, or view an unknown word from a book, just to name a few.

DP. But you’ve already told us you won’t be, that hybrid will be a terrible environment specifically because you won’t be allowed to do those things. Which is it?

Different teacher. I’m not elementary but I can say 100-% I’m not going to a kids desk and they’re not coming to mine in school. I’m not breaking that 6 feet because if I do and later get CoVID, they’ll claim I couldn’t have gotten it at school since the 6 foot protocol exists.

So then you admit that a daycare outbreak isn’t relevant to what you would be doing in school?

If a daycare breakout is due to staff or kids not wearing masks or keeping distance then yea it still relates to what I do

So teachers don’t want to go back because they don’t trust each other to wear masks? Perhaps one of the terms of reopening should be that failure to wear a mask at all appropriate times is a fireable offense. More parents might get on board with AEA’s position if they added that to their platform.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow. 19 cases in a preschool. That IS significant. How can that be if they are staying 6 feet and wearing masks?

THEY ARENT, welcome to what teachers have been saying for months. Mitigation does not work once you have too many kids to meaningfully monitor it constantly.

pretty sure our elementary teachers aren't changing diapers and putting our kids down for naps, etc...

Nope, we will be in close proximity to help with a math problem, help with the proper way to hold a pencil or scissors, or view an unknown word from a book, just to name a few.

DP. But you’ve already told us you won’t be, that hybrid will be a terrible environment specifically because you won’t be allowed to do those things. Which is it?

Different teacher. I’m not elementary but I can say 100-% I’m not going to a kids desk and they’re not coming to mine in school. I’m not breaking that 6 feet because if I do and later get CoVID, they’ll claim I couldn’t have gotten it at school since the 6 foot protocol exists.

So then you admit that a daycare outbreak isn’t relevant to what you would be doing in school?

If a daycare breakout is due to staff or kids not wearing masks or keeping distance then yea it still relates to what I do

So teachers don’t want to go back because they don’t trust each other to wear masks? Perhaps one of the terms of reopening should be that failure to wear a mask at all appropriate times is a fireable offense. More parents might get on board with AEA’s position if they added that to their platform.

Look you need to stop looking at a Facebook parent group as if they have any power, they can’t make up any conditions of employment but to answer your question, no I do not trust all my fellow staff to be safe and wear masks faithfully. Plenty of teachers are living life as usual, traveling, lax with masks. They’re the ones least worried about going back but yeah we all have to work with them even when we are really careful.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow. 19 cases in a preschool. That IS significant. How can that be if they are staying 6 feet and wearing masks?

THEY ARENT, welcome to what teachers have been saying for months. Mitigation does not work once you have too many kids to meaningfully monitor it constantly.

pretty sure our elementary teachers aren't changing diapers and putting our kids down for naps, etc...

Nope, we will be in close proximity to help with a math problem, help with the proper way to hold a pencil or scissors, or view an unknown word from a book, just to name a few.

DP. But you’ve already told us you won’t be, that hybrid will be a terrible environment specifically because you won’t be allowed to do those things. Which is it?

Different teacher. I’m not elementary but I can say 100-% I’m not going to a kids desk and they’re not coming to mine in school. I’m not breaking that 6 feet because if I do and later get CoVID, they’ll claim I couldn’t have gotten it at school since the 6 foot protocol exists.

So then you admit that a daycare outbreak isn’t relevant to what you would be doing in school?

If a daycare breakout is due to staff or kids not wearing masks or keeping distance then yea it still relates to what I do

So teachers don’t want to go back because they don’t trust each other to wear masks? Perhaps one of the terms of reopening should be that failure to wear a mask at all appropriate times is a fireable offense. More parents might get on board with AEA’s position if they added that to their platform.

Look you need to stop looking at a Facebook parent group as if they have any power, they can’t make up any conditions of employment but to answer your question, no I do not trust all my fellow staff to be safe and wear masks faithfully. Plenty of teachers are living life as usual, traveling, lax with masks. They’re the ones least worried about going back but yeah we all have to work with them even when we are really careful.

So let’s fire the staff members who aren’t properly following the guidelines. Tree hat seems like something we all should be able to agree on.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow. 19 cases in a preschool. That IS significant. How can that be if they are staying 6 feet and wearing masks?

THEY ARENT, welcome to what teachers have been saying for months. Mitigation does not work once you have too many kids to meaningfully monitor it constantly.

pretty sure our elementary teachers aren't changing diapers and putting our kids down for naps, etc...

Nope, we will be in close proximity to help with a math problem, help with the proper way to hold a pencil or scissors, or view an unknown word from a book, just to name a few.

DP. But you’ve already told us you won’t be, that hybrid will be a terrible environment specifically because you won’t be allowed to do those things. Which is it?

Different teacher. I’m not elementary but I can say 100-% I’m not going to a kids desk and they’re not coming to mine in school. I’m not breaking that 6 feet because if I do and later get CoVID, they’ll claim I couldn’t have gotten it at school since the 6 foot protocol exists.

So then you admit that a daycare outbreak isn’t relevant to what you would be doing in school?

If a daycare breakout is due to staff or kids not wearing masks or keeping distance then yea it still relates to what I do

So teachers don’t want to go back because they don’t trust each other to wear masks? Perhaps one of the terms of reopening should be that failure to wear a mask at all appropriate times is a fireable offense. More parents might get on board with AEA’s position if they added that to their platform.

Look you need to stop looking at a Facebook parent group as if they have any power, they can’t make up any conditions of employment but to answer your question, no I do not trust all my fellow staff to be safe and wear masks faithfully. Plenty of teachers are living life as usual, traveling, lax with masks. They’re the ones least worried about going back but yeah we all have to work with them even when we are really careful.

AEA isn’t a parents group, it’s a teachers group.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone know if there have been any outbreaks among the level 1 students and staff who were back in school?

Pretty sure we would have been made aware if this happened one way or another by now.

no- there have not been ANY k-12 outbreaks in Arlington. Not in public not in private. There is a current very significant outbreak in an Arlington daycare.
https://www.vdh.virginia.gov/coronavirus/covid-19-data-insights/covid-19-outbreaks-by-selected-exposure-settings/

Is that the one across the street from the gun store?

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Anonymous wrote:Wow. 19 cases in a preschool. That IS significant. How can that be if they are staying 6 feet and wearing masks?

THEY ARENT, welcome to what teachers have been saying for months. Mitigation does not work once you have too many kids to meaningfully monitor it constantly.

pretty sure our elementary teachers aren't changing diapers and putting our kids down for naps, etc...

Nope, we will be in close proximity to help with a math problem, help with the proper way to hold a pencil or scissors, or view an unknown word from a book, just to name a few.

DP. But you’ve already told us you won’t be, that hybrid will be a terrible environment specifically because you won’t be allowed to do those things. Which is it?

Different teacher. I’m not elementary but I can say 100-% I’m not going to a kids desk and they’re not coming to mine in school. I’m not breaking that 6 feet because if I do and later get CoVID, they’ll claim I couldn’t have gotten it at school since the 6 foot protocol exists.

So then you admit that a daycare outbreak isn’t relevant to what you would be doing in school?

If a daycare breakout is due to staff or kids not wearing masks or keeping distance then yea it still relates to what I do

So teachers don’t want to go back because they don’t trust each other to wear masks? Perhaps one of the terms of reopening should be that failure to wear a mask at all appropriate times is a fireable offense. More parents might get on board with AEA’s position if they added that to their platform.

Look you need to stop looking at a Facebook parent group as if they have any power, they can’t make up any conditions of employment but to answer your question, no I do not trust all my fellow staff to be safe and wear masks faithfully. Plenty of teachers are living life as usual, traveling, lax with masks. They’re the ones least worried about going back but yeah we all have to work with them even when we are really careful.

AEA isn’t a parents group, it’s a teachers group.

Ok thanks it’s impossible to keep up with APE, AEA blah blah. They’re all groups with zero actual power so I don’t pay attention to any of them.

[Anonymous]

Look you need to stop looking at a Facebook parent group as if they have any power, they can’t make up any conditions of employment but to answer your question, no I do not trust all my fellow staff to be safe and wear masks faithfully. Plenty of teachers are living life as usual, traveling, lax with masks. They’re the ones least worried about going back but yeah we all have to work with them even when we are really careful.

Correct. I teach with a team of much younger teachers and they are taking risks with travel and going out that make me extremely uncomfortable. I don’t feel lie I can work closely with them with their behavior and doing so puts mr at risk. Not to mention the kids aspect.

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Look you need to stop looking at a Facebook parent group as if they have any power, they can’t make up any conditions of employment but to answer your question, no I do not trust all my fellow staff to be safe and wear masks faithfully. Plenty of teachers are living life as usual, traveling, lax with masks. They’re the ones least worried about going back but yeah we all have to work with them even when we are really careful.

Correct. I teach with a team of much younger teachers and they are taking risks with travel and going out that make me extremely uncomfortable. I don’t feel lie I can work closely with them with their behavior and doing so puts mr at risk. Not to mention the kids aspect.

I'm a parent and I don't trust the other families. So many are traveling, allowing kids into each others homes to hang out unmasked. These are the ones who will be in school. Assume the careful ones will stay virtual.

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Anonymous wrote:Safety measures will take place with masks, hand-washing and social distancing.. certainly enough to implement hybrid for the elementary students.

Nope. We also need testing and air filters.

It's crazy that the schools need to provide any of these - it should be the federal/state/local governments. They would have IF we didn't completely botch our response.

It's January, not last March. Promises of "hand washing" and "deep.cleaning' are meaningless pandemic theatre that serve only to inspire a false sense of confidence.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Wow. 19 cases in a preschool. That IS significant. How can that be if they are staying 6 feet and wearing masks?

Sigh. Because "six feet and masks" HELPS, but is far from 100%. They are not a magic wand.

Prolonged indoor gatherings are unsafe, period.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow. 19 cases in a preschool. That IS significant. How can that be if they are staying 6 feet and wearing masks?

THEY ARENT, welcome to what teachers have been saying for months. Mitigation does not work once you have too many kids to meaningfully monitor it constantly.

pretty sure our elementary teachers aren't changing diapers and putting our kids down for naps, etc...

Nope, we will be in close proximity to help with a math problem, help with the proper way to hold a pencil or scissors, or view an unknown word from a book, just to name a few.

DP. But you’ve already told us you won’t be, that hybrid will be a terrible environment specifically because you won’t be allowed to do those things. Which is it?

Different teacher. I’m not elementary but I can say 100-% I’m not going to a kids desk and they’re not coming to mine in school. I’m not breaking that 6 feet because if I do and later get CoVID, they’ll claim I couldn’t have gotten it at school since the 6 foot protocol exists.

So then you admit that a daycare outbreak isn’t relevant to what you would be doing in school?

If a daycare breakout is due to staff or kids not wearing masks or keeping distance then yea it still relates to what I do

So teachers don’t want to go back because they don’t trust each other to wear masks? Perhaps one of the terms of reopening should be that failure to wear a mask at all appropriate times is a fireable offense. More parents might get on board with AEA’s position if they added that to their platform.

Look you need to stop looking at a Facebook parent group as if they have any power, they can’t make up any conditions of employment but to answer your question, no I do not trust all my fellow staff to be safe and wear masks faithfully. Plenty of teachers are living life as usual, traveling, lax with masks. They’re the ones least worried about going back but yeah we all have to work with them even when we are really careful.

So let’s fire the staff members who aren’t properly following the guidelines. Tree hat seems like something we all should be able to agree on.

Who is "Let's?" Get over yourself and your little social media group. You have NO POWER OVER TEACHERS.

[Anonymous]

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Look you need to stop looking at a Facebook parent group as if they have any power, they can’t make up any conditions of employment but to answer your question, no I do not trust all my fellow staff to be safe and wear masks faithfully. Plenty of teachers are living life as usual, traveling, lax with masks. They’re the ones least worried about going back but yeah we all have to work with them even when we are really careful.

Correct. I teach with a team of much younger teachers and they are taking risks with travel and going out that make me extremely uncomfortable. I don’t feel lie I can work closely with them with their behavior and doing so puts mr at risk. Not to mention the kids aspect.

I'm a parent and I don't trust the other families. So many are traveling, allowing kids into each others homes to hang out unmasked. These are the ones who will be in school. Assume the careful ones will stay virtual.

I do think this is true. Anecdotally, the families I know who are skiing in Colorado or at Disney or the Caribbean chose hybrid. Everyone I know who chose DL stayed home. I’m sure that’s not universal. But it was among the people I know.