Petition: Later MCPS school start times

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Anonymous wrote:Organizers of this petition: are you moving forward to discuss with BOE?


There's nothing to discuss.

It"s settled.

Just like Roe v Wade was settled. Until it wasn't.


No, they just settled this. You should find a new hobby.


Just homeschool your kids. Then you can start school whenever you want. Problem solved.


I'm fine with how they settled the matter.

Meh. That was a full generation of students ago. Time to revisit.

Nah, they just settled this. Time to find a new hobby.

What's your definition of "just"?


DP. With a decade or so.

Nothing has changed since then, except that our budget problems are even worse.


It was just a few years ago and the reasons they made this decision remain true. It's really too bad they just can't give parenting a chance.
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:Organizers of this petition: are you moving forward to discuss with BOE?


There's nothing to discuss.

It"s settled.

Just like Roe v Wade was settled. Until it wasn't.


No, they just settled this. You should find a new hobby.


Just homeschool your kids. Then you can start school whenever you want. Problem solved.


I'm fine with how they settled the matter.

Meh. That was a full generation of students ago. Time to revisit.

Nah, they just settled this. Time to find a new hobby.

What's your definition of "just"?


DP. With a decade or so.

Nothing has changed since then, except that our budget problems are even worse.


It was just a few years ago and the reasons they made this decision remain true. It's really too bad they just can't give parenting a chance.

The success rate of "parenting" vs. millennia of evolution is really low. But keep trying.
Anonymous
Persons who are afraid of EXPLORING bell times: what are you so afraid of? Stuck in past? Don't believe in science?
Anonymous
Folks who are opposed to changing (or even discussing a change) school bell times are
A) don't want to change their own schedule in their stubborn old age
B) MCPS lawyer
C) both A and B above
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Persons who are afraid of EXPLORING bell times: what are you so afraid of? Stuck in past? Don't believe in science?


I wouldn't have a problem discussing it if anyone had a plausible way to address the issues that prevented its adoption in the past.
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Anonymous wrote:Organizers of this petition: are you moving forward to discuss with BOE?


There's nothing to discuss.

It"s settled.

Just like Roe v Wade was settled. Until it wasn't.


No, they just settled this. You should find a new hobby.


Just homeschool your kids. Then you can start school whenever you want. Problem solved.


I'm fine with how they settled the matter.

Meh. That was a full generation of students ago. Time to revisit.

Nah, they just settled this. Time to find a new hobby.

What's your definition of "just"?


DP. With a decade or so.

Nothing has changed since then, except that our budget problems are even worse.


It was just a few years ago and the reasons they made this decision remain true. It's really too bad they just can't give parenting a chance.

Your memory is faulty. It was 11 years ago that they started studying the issue and Joshua Starr announced that he wasn’t recommending moving forward with it on 6/10/14.

Changing the bell times had the overwhelming support of parents back then (78%), so it’s no surprise that they still want it.

https://ww2.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/press/?id=3551
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Anonymous wrote:Organizers of this petition: are you moving forward to discuss with BOE?


There's nothing to discuss.

It"s settled.

Just like Roe v Wade was settled. Until it wasn't.


No, they just settled this. You should find a new hobby.


Just homeschool your kids. Then you can start school whenever you want. Problem solved.


I'm fine with how they settled the matter.

Meh. That was a full generation of students ago. Time to revisit.

Nah, they just settled this. Time to find a new hobby.

What's your definition of "just"?


DP. With a decade or so.

Nothing has changed since then, except that our budget problems are even worse.


It was just a few years ago and the reasons they made this decision remain true. It's really too bad they just can't give parenting a chance.

Your memory is faulty. It was 11 years ago that they started studying the issue and Joshua Starr announced that he wasn’t recommending moving forward with it on 6/10/14.

Changing the bell times had the overwhelming support of parents back then (78%), so it’s no surprise that they still want it.

https://ww2.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/press/?id=3551


They might want the changed bell times, but they don't want the other things that would need to go with it.
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Organizers of this petition: are you moving forward to discuss with BOE?


There's nothing to discuss.

It"s settled.

Just like Roe v Wade was settled. Until it wasn't.


No, they just settled this. You should find a new hobby.


Just homeschool your kids. Then you can start school whenever you want. Problem solved.


I'm fine with how they settled the matter.

Meh. That was a full generation of students ago. Time to revisit.

Nah, they just settled this. Time to find a new hobby.

What's your definition of "just"?


DP. With a decade or so.

Nothing has changed since then, except that our budget problems are even worse.


It was just a few years ago and the reasons they made this decision remain true. It's really too bad they just can't give parenting a chance.

Your memory is faulty. It was 11 years ago that they started studying the issue and Joshua Starr announced that he wasn’t recommending moving forward with it on 6/10/14.

Changing the bell times had the overwhelming support of parents back then (78%), so it’s no surprise that they still want it.

https://ww2.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/press/?id=3551


They might want the changed bell times, but they don't want the other things that would need to go with it.


Such as?
Anonymous
One small thing that wouldn’t cost the school district money is to change the instructional hours on planned half days. Instead of starting at the normal time and dismissing students 2 1/2 hours early, they could start 2 1/2 hours late and end at the normal time. Same number of buses running, teachers work the same number of hours, activities take place at the usual times, working parents with elementary kids are still inconvenienced by the half day, but for some of them, it will be easier to go to work later than to leave in the middle of the work day. Students get extra sleep on those days.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:One small thing that wouldn’t cost the school district money is to change the instructional hours on planned half days. Instead of starting at the normal time and dismissing students 2 1/2 hours early, they could start 2 1/2 hours late and end at the normal time. Same number of buses running, teachers work the same number of hours, activities take place at the usual times, working parents with elementary kids are still inconvenienced by the half day, but for some of them, it will be easier to go to work later than to leave in the middle of the work day. Students get extra sleep on those days.


But then it affects their sleep patterns on the other days that week. Consistent hours aligning with TEENS' development (not their parents') is key for their academic and social emotional learning. For a district that pushes SEL, why can't they see this correlation?
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Anonymous wrote:One small thing that wouldn’t cost the school district money is to change the instructional hours on planned half days. Instead of starting at the normal time and dismissing students 2 1/2 hours early, they could start 2 1/2 hours late and end at the normal time. Same number of buses running, teachers work the same number of hours, activities take place at the usual times, working parents with elementary kids are still inconvenienced by the half day, but for some of them, it will be easier to go to work later than to leave in the middle of the work day. Students get extra sleep on those days.


But then it affects their sleep patterns on the other days that week. Consistent hours aligning with TEENS' development (not their parents') is key for their academic and social emotional learning. For a district that pushes SEL, why can't they see this correlation?

The current bell schedule does not align with teens’ development. The kids whose sleep will be thrown off by a change in schedule for one day can get up at their normal time. Just parent your kids appropriately.
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Anonymous wrote:Organizers of this petition: are you moving forward to discuss with BOE?


There's nothing to discuss.

It"s settled.

Just like Roe v Wade was settled. Until it wasn't.


No, they just settled this. You should find a new hobby.


Just homeschool your kids. Then you can start school whenever you want. Problem solved.


I'm fine with how they settled the matter.

Meh. That was a full generation of students ago. Time to revisit.

Nah, they just settled this. Time to find a new hobby.

What's your definition of "just"?


DP. With a decade or so.

Nothing has changed since then, except that our budget problems are even worse.


It was just a few years ago and the reasons they made this decision remain true. It's really too bad they just can't give parenting a chance.

Your memory is faulty. It was 11 years ago that they started studying the issue and Joshua Starr announced that he wasn’t recommending moving forward with it on 6/10/14.

Changing the bell times had the overwhelming support of parents back then (78%), so it’s no surprise that they still want it.

https://ww2.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/press/?id=3551


They might want the changed bell times, but they don't want the other things that would need to go with it.


Such as?


High school teacher/coach here. If you started high school at 9:30am, extracurriculars would take place before school. So practices, activities and clubs would be beginning at 7am. The majority of high school students participate in at least one club. Also the students that are always late and don't get enough sleep for a 7:30am start, would still have the same issues with a 9:30am start. Unless you're starting school at noon, there wouldn't be any difference in performance of the students.
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Organizers of this petition: are you moving forward to discuss with BOE?


There's nothing to discuss.

It"s settled.

Just like Roe v Wade was settled. Until it wasn't.


No, they just settled this. You should find a new hobby.


Just homeschool your kids. Then you can start school whenever you want. Problem solved.


I'm fine with how they settled the matter.

Meh. That was a full generation of students ago. Time to revisit.

Nah, they just settled this. Time to find a new hobby.

What's your definition of "just"?


DP. With a decade or so.

Nothing has changed since then, except that our budget problems are even worse.


It was just a few years ago and the reasons they made this decision remain true. It's really too bad they just can't give parenting a chance.

Your memory is faulty. It was 11 years ago that they started studying the issue and Joshua Starr announced that he wasn’t recommending moving forward with it on 6/10/14.

Changing the bell times had the overwhelming support of parents back then (78%), so it’s no surprise that they still want it.

https://ww2.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/press/?id=3551


They might want the changed bell times, but they don't want the other things that would need to go with it.


Such as?


High school teacher/coach here. If you started high school at 9:30am, extracurriculars would take place before school. So practices, activities and clubs would be beginning at 7am. The majority of high school students participate in at least one club. Also the students that are always late and don't get enough sleep for a 7:30am start, would still have the same issues with a 9:30am start. Unless you're starting school at noon, there wouldn't be any difference in performance of the students.

Are you basing that on actual research or your personal hunch? I don’t think it’s feasible to move extracurricular activities to mornings though, because high school kids who take buses wouldn’t have transportation to school if the buses were being used to transport younger kids.
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Anonymous wrote:Organizers of this petition: are you moving forward to discuss with BOE?


There's nothing to discuss.

It"s settled.

Just like Roe v Wade was settled. Until it wasn't.


No, they just settled this. You should find a new hobby.


Just homeschool your kids. Then you can start school whenever you want. Problem solved.


I'm fine with how they settled the matter.

Meh. That was a full generation of students ago. Time to revisit.

Nah, they just settled this. Time to find a new hobby.

What's your definition of "just"?


DP. With a decade or so.

Nothing has changed since then, except that our budget problems are even worse.


It was just a few years ago and the reasons they made this decision remain true. It's really too bad they just can't give parenting a chance.

Your memory is faulty. It was 11 years ago that they started studying the issue and Joshua Starr announced that he wasn’t recommending moving forward with it on 6/10/14.

Changing the bell times had the overwhelming support of parents back then (78%), so it’s no surprise that they still want it.

https://ww2.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/press/?id=3551


They might want the changed bell times, but they don't want the other things that would need to go with it.


Such as?


High school teacher/coach here. If you started high school at 9:30am, extracurriculars would take place before school. So practices, activities and clubs would be beginning at 7am. The majority of high school students participate in at least one club. Also the students that are always late and don't get enough sleep for a 7:30am start, would still have the same issues with a 9:30am start. Unless you're starting school at noon, there wouldn't be any difference in performance of the students.


Clubs meet at lunch.
It is always coming down to sports, sports practices.
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:Organizers of this petition: are you moving forward to discuss with BOE?


There's nothing to discuss.

It"s settled.

Just like Roe v Wade was settled. Until it wasn't.


No, they just settled this. You should find a new hobby.


Just homeschool your kids. Then you can start school whenever you want. Problem solved.


I'm fine with how they settled the matter.

Meh. That was a full generation of students ago. Time to revisit.

Nah, they just settled this. Time to find a new hobby.

What's your definition of "just"?


DP. With a decade or so.

Nothing has changed since then, except that our budget problems are even worse.


It was just a few years ago and the reasons they made this decision remain true. It's really too bad they just can't give parenting a chance.

Your memory is faulty. It was 11 years ago that they started studying the issue and Joshua Starr announced that he wasn’t recommending moving forward with it on 6/10/14.

Changing the bell times had the overwhelming support of parents back then (78%), so it’s no surprise that they still want it.

https://ww2.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/press/?id=3551


They might want the changed bell times, but they don't want the other things that would need to go with it.


Such as?


High school teacher/coach here. If you started high school at 9:30am, extracurriculars would take place before school. So practices, activities and clubs would be beginning at 7am. The majority of high school students participate in at least one club. Also the students that are always late and don't get enough sleep for a 7:30am start, would still have the same issues with a 9:30am start. Unless you're starting school at noon, there wouldn't be any difference in performance of the students.


Clubs meet at lunch.
It is always coming down to sports, sports practices.


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