Petition: Later MCPS school start times

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Anonymous wrote:Organizers of this petition: are you moving forward to discuss with BOE?

There's nothing to discuss.

It"s settled.

Just like Roe v Wade was settled. Until it wasn't.

No, they just settled this. You should find a new hobby.

Just homeschool your kids. Then you can start school whenever you want. Problem solved.

I'm fine with how they settled the matter.

Meh. That was a full generation of students ago. Time to revisit.

Nah, they just settled this. Time to find a new hobby.

What's your definition of "just"?

DP. With a decade or so.

Nothing has changed since then, except that our budget problems are even worse.

It was just a few years ago and the reasons they made this decision remain true. It's really too bad they just can't give parenting a chance.

Your memory is faulty. It was 11 years ago that they started studying the issue and Joshua Starr announced that he wasn’t recommending moving forward with it on 6/10/14.

Changing the bell times had the overwhelming support of parents back then (78%), so it’s no surprise that they still want it.

https://ww2.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/press/?id=3551

They might want the changed bell times, but they don't want the other things that would need to go with it.

Such as?

High school teacher/coach here. If you started high school at 9:30am, extracurriculars would take place before school. So practices, activities and clubs would be beginning at 7am. The majority of high school students participate in at least one club. Also the students that are always late and don't get enough sleep for a 7:30am start, would still have the same issues with a 9:30am start. Unless you're starting school at noon, there wouldn't be any difference in performance of the students.

Clubs meet at lunch.
It is always coming down to sports, sports practices.

Sports is important but
Sleep is not??

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Organizers of this petition: are you moving forward to discuss with BOE?

There's nothing to discuss.

It"s settled.

Just like Roe v Wade was settled. Until it wasn't.

No, they just settled this. You should find a new hobby.

Just homeschool your kids. Then you can start school whenever you want. Problem solved.

I'm fine with how they settled the matter.

Meh. That was a full generation of students ago. Time to revisit.

Nah, they just settled this. Time to find a new hobby.

What's your definition of "just"?

DP. With a decade or so.

Nothing has changed since then, except that our budget problems are even worse.

It was just a few years ago and the reasons they made this decision remain true. It's really too bad they just can't give parenting a chance.

Your memory is faulty. It was 11 years ago that they started studying the issue and Joshua Starr announced that he wasn’t recommending moving forward with it on 6/10/14.

Changing the bell times had the overwhelming support of parents back then (78%), so it’s no surprise that they still want it.

https://ww2.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/press/?id=3551

They might want the changed bell times, but they don't want the other things that would need to go with it.

Such as?

High school teacher/coach here. If you started high school at 9:30am, extracurriculars would take place before school. So practices, activities and clubs would be beginning at 7am. The majority of high school students participate in at least one club. Also the students that are always late and don't get enough sleep for a 7:30am start, would still have the same issues with a 9:30am start. Unless you're starting school at noon, there wouldn't be any difference in performance of the students.

Sure, most kids would probably get up/come in early for extracurriculars at least once a week. But that would be a lot better than having to get up early 5 days a week (and is also totally optional.)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Folks who are opposed to changing (or even discussing a change) school bell times are
A) don't want to change their own schedule in their stubborn old age
B) MCPS lawyer
C) both A and B above

We have kids in multiple after school activities and they have homework. If your kid needs sleep send them to bed earlier. You are stubborn to demand everyone change their scheduled based off your lazy parenting. Some of us have to drive our kids to school as there is no bus. A 9:30 start time would be a nightmare.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Folks who are opposed to changing (or even discussing a change) school bell times are
A) don't want to change their own schedule in their stubborn old age
B) MCPS lawyer
C) both A and B above

We have kids in multiple after school activities and they have homework. If your kid needs sleep send them to bed earlier. You are stubborn to demand everyone change their scheduled based off your lazy parenting. Some of us have to drive our kids to school as there is no bus. A 9:30 start time would be a nightmare.

Read the thread.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Folks who are opposed to changing (or even discussing a change) school bell times are
A) don't want to change their own schedule in their stubborn old age
B) MCPS lawyer
C) both A and B above

We have kids in multiple after school activities and they have homework. If your kid needs sleep send them to bed earlier. You are stubborn to demand everyone change their scheduled based off your lazy parenting. Some of us have to drive our kids to school as there is no bus. A 9:30 start time would be a nightmare.

And you are stubborn to demand everyone do what works for your 1950s lazy schedule.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Folks who are opposed to changing (or even discussing a change) school bell times are
A) don't want to change their own schedule in their stubborn old age
B) MCPS lawyer
C) both A and B above

We have kids in multiple after school activities and they have homework. If your kid needs sleep send them to bed earlier. You are stubborn to demand everyone change their scheduled based off your lazy parenting. Some of us have to drive our kids to school as there is no bus. A 9:30 start time would be a nightmare.

you argue that "some" are trying to change the bell times. Yet it is also "some" who have to drive kids to school. Somehow your "some" is more important???

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Folks who are opposed to changing (or even discussing a change) school bell times are
A) don't want to change their own schedule in their stubborn old age
B) MCPS lawyer
C) both A and B above

We have kids in multiple after school activities and they have homework. If your kid needs sleep send them to bed earlier. You are stubborn to demand everyone change their scheduled based off your lazy parenting. Some of us have to drive our kids to school as there is no bus. A 9:30 start time would be a nightmare.

And you are stubborn to demand everyone do what works for your 1950s lazy schedule.

Most people who work start between 8-9. What job will let you start at 10 AM? If you are so flexible why can't you take the time to get your kids to bed at a reasonable hour?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Folks who are opposed to changing (or even discussing a change) school bell times are
A) don't want to change their own schedule in their stubborn old age
B) MCPS lawyer
C) both A and B above

We have kids in multiple after school activities and they have homework. If your kid needs sleep send them to bed earlier. You are stubborn to demand everyone change their scheduled based off your lazy parenting. Some of us have to drive our kids to school as there is no bus. A 9:30 start time would be a nightmare.

you argue that "some" are trying to change the bell times. Yet it is also "some" who have to drive kids to school. Somehow your "some" is more important???

People who have to drive their kids to school as MCPS does not have equity in providing bus services for all and its a safety issue for some kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Folks who are opposed to changing (or even discussing a change) school bell times are
A) don't want to change their own schedule in their stubborn old age
B) MCPS lawyer
C) both A and B above

We have kids in multiple after school activities and they have homework. If your kid needs sleep send them to bed earlier. You are stubborn to demand everyone change their scheduled based off your lazy parenting. Some of us have to drive our kids to school as there is no bus. A 9:30 start time would be a nightmare.

you argue that "some" are trying to change the bell times. Yet it is also "some" who have to drive kids to school. Somehow your "some" is more important???

NP. All kids would benefit from a later start time, especially high schoolers, many of whom are physically incapable of falling asleep before midnight.

Science? We don't need no stinkin' science.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Folks who are opposed to changing (or even discussing a change) school bell times are
A) don't want to change their own schedule in their stubborn old age
B) MCPS lawyer
C) both A and B above

We have kids in multiple after school activities and they have homework. If your kid needs sleep send them to bed earlier. You are stubborn to demand everyone change their scheduled based off your lazy parenting. Some of us have to drive our kids to school as there is no bus. A 9:30 start time would be a nightmare.

you argue that "some" are trying to change the bell times. Yet it is also "some" who have to drive kids to school. Somehow your "some" is more important???

NP. All kids would benefit from a later start time, especially high schoolers, many of whom are physically incapable of falling asleep before midnight.

Science? We don't need no stinkin' science.

Especially the pseudo science they're pushing when parenting would suffice.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Folks who are opposed to changing (or even discussing a change) school bell times are
A) don't want to change their own schedule in their stubborn old age
B) MCPS lawyer
C) both A and B above

We have kids in multiple after school activities and they have homework. If your kid needs sleep send them to bed earlier. You are stubborn to demand everyone change their scheduled based off your lazy parenting. Some of us have to drive our kids to school as there is no bus. A 9:30 start time would be a nightmare.

you argue that "some" are trying to change the bell times. Yet it is also "some" who have to drive kids to school. Somehow your "some" is more important???

NP. All kids would benefit from a later start time, especially high schoolers, many of whom are physically incapable of falling asleep before midnight.

Science? We don't need no stinkin' science.

Especially the pseudo science they're pushing when parenting would suffice.

What? Every study on this issue says early school start times aren't good for kids. They're just practical for parents.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Organizers of this petition: are you moving forward to discuss with BOE?

There's nothing to discuss.

It"s settled.

Just like Roe v Wade was settled. Until it wasn't.

No, they just settled this. You should find a new hobby.

Just homeschool your kids. Then you can start school whenever you want. Problem solved.

I'm fine with how they settled the matter.

Meh. That was a full generation of students ago. Time to revisit.

Nah, they just settled this. Time to find a new hobby.

What's your definition of "just"?

DP. With a decade or so.

Nothing has changed since then, except that our budget problems are even worse.

It was just a few years ago and the reasons they made this decision remain true. It's really too bad they just can't give parenting a chance.

Your memory is faulty. It was 11 years ago that they started studying the issue and Joshua Starr announced that he wasn’t recommending moving forward with it on 6/10/14.

Changing the bell times had the overwhelming support of parents back then (78%), so it’s no surprise that they still want it.

https://ww2.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/press/?id=3551

They might want the changed bell times, but they don't want the other things that would need to go with it.

Such as?

The impact to after-school activities (both school-sponsored and private), busing costs, and child care for elementary kids.

It would be fine to discuss, but you're not actually discussing it. You're just repeating the same thing over and over again, ignoring the problems that continue to make a schedule change infeasible.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Organizers of this petition: are you moving forward to discuss with BOE?

There's nothing to discuss.

It"s settled.

Just like Roe v Wade was settled. Until it wasn't.

No, they just settled this. You should find a new hobby.

Just homeschool your kids. Then you can start school whenever you want. Problem solved.

I'm fine with how they settled the matter.

Meh. That was a full generation of students ago. Time to revisit.

Nah, they just settled this. Time to find a new hobby.

What's your definition of "just"?

DP. With a decade or so.

Nothing has changed since then, except that our budget problems are even worse.

It was just a few years ago and the reasons they made this decision remain true. It's really too bad they just can't give parenting a chance.

Your memory is faulty. It was 11 years ago that they started studying the issue and Joshua Starr announced that he wasn’t recommending moving forward with it on 6/10/14.

Changing the bell times had the overwhelming support of parents back then (78%), so it’s no surprise that they still want it.

https://ww2.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/press/?id=3551

They might want the changed bell times, but they don't want the other things that would need to go with it.

Such as?

High school teacher/coach here. If you started high school at 9:30am, extracurriculars would take place before school. So practices, activities and clubs would be beginning at 7am. The majority of high school students participate in at least one club. Also the students that are always late and don't get enough sleep for a 7:30am start, would still have the same issues with a 9:30am start. Unless you're starting school at noon, there wouldn't be any difference in performance of the students.

Clubs meet at lunch.
It is always coming down to sports, sports practices.

No, it isn’t always coming down to sports. There’s the little issue that the advocates wanting to push back start times keep ignoring despite the fact that I’ve raised it several times. Specifically, some families NEED the later start times to allow their older kids to work or provide childcare for younger kids.

I realize that most of DCUM doesn’t have those concerns. They have the luxury of deciding how many and which extra-curriculars their kids will participate in. Are the advocates so self-absorbed that they’ve don’t realize that some families need the extra income that a child can bring in or that they need care for the younger siblings while the parents are working to make ends meet because it is illegal to leave young children unattended. Are they so selfish that they prioritize their snowflake’s sleep schedule over the survival and preservation of intact families? Do they plan to subsidize the lost income and childcare for all those families? That might be a hard sell when MCPS says the budget requires cutting teachers.

[Anonymous]

Any groups bringing this petition to the new Superintendent, BOE this summer?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Persons who are afraid of EXPLORING bell times: what are you so afraid of? Stuck in past? Don't believe in science?

Without substantive responses to the barriers identified in the 2014 study, there's no point in EXPLORING bell time changes. It would be like EXPLORING issuing a unicorn to every child in MCPS. Come up with concrete proposals to address those barriers, and then we can EXPLORE it.