Forbes 2021 College Rankings

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Where uva at?

UVA is ranked #30 in this list.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:University of Florida ahead of UNC and UVA!

Chomp Chomp

That's because in-state Florida offers a ton of kids scholarships rather than loans through Bright Futures and they have TONS of in-state students. The salaries are not ahead. They are gaming it and it's obvious. A fine school, but not the same caliber.

Not sure giving top in-state kids a free ride to college is “gaming it”; sounds more like excellent policy that actually helps out residents.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The most important ranking, US News & World Report, comes out on Monday. This is all just noise.

USN&WR rankings rely on the size of the endowment, donations by alumni etc. which are silly factors to evaluate universities. Don't rely on USN&WR rankings.

USNWR doesn't directly have endowment in its criteria.

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1. University of California, Berkeley
2. Yale University
3. Princeton University
4. Stanford University
5. Columbia University
6. Massachusetts Institute of Technology
7. Harvard University
8. University of California, Los Angeles
9. University of Pennsylvania
10. Northwestern University
11. Dartmouth College
12. Duke University
13. Cornell University
14. Vanderbilt University
15. University of California, San Diego
16. Amherst College
17. University of Southern California
18. Williams College
19. Pomona College
20. University of California, Davis
21. Georgetown University
22. University of Michigan, Ann Arbor
23. University of Chicago
24. Rice University
25. University of Florida
26. Brown University
27. University of Washington, Seattle
28. University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill
29. United States Military Academy
30. University of Virginia
31. University of Illinois, Urbana-Champaign
32. Wellesley College
33. Washington University in St. Louis
34. Georgia Institute of Technology
35. Emory University
36. Bowdoin College
37. Johns Hopkins University
38. Tufts University
39. University of California, Santa Barbara
40. California Institute of Technology
41. University of Notre Dame
42. University of Maryland, College Park
43. Swarthmore College
44. Middlebury College
45. University of Texas, Austin
46. Claremont McKenna College
47. University of California, Irvine
48. Colgate University
49. Carnegie Mellon University
50. Texas A&M University, College Station

Joke list. There is NO way schools like Amherst, UVA, and Florida are better than schools like Hopkins, CMU, or CalTech. No way..

The ranking this year factor socioeconomic status into the metrics as opposed to being purely obsessed with "prestige". If you're a low-income student, you're likely to fare better at the former ones than the latter ones, plus JHU or Caltech aren't as socioeconomically diverse as some of the better ranked ones.

[Anonymous]

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1. University of California, Berkeley
2. Yale University
3. Princeton University
4. Stanford University
5. Columbia University
6. Massachusetts Institute of Technology
7. Harvard University
8. University of California, Los Angeles
9. University of Pennsylvania
10. Northwestern University
11. Dartmouth College
12. Duke University
13. Cornell University
14. Vanderbilt University
15. University of California, San Diego
16. Amherst College
17. University of Southern California
18. Williams College
19. Pomona College
20. University of California, Davis
21. Georgetown University
22. University of Michigan, Ann Arbor
23. University of Chicago
24. Rice University
25. University of Florida
26. Brown University
27. University of Washington, Seattle
28. University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill
29. United States Military Academy
30. University of Virginia
31. University of Illinois, Urbana-Champaign
32. Wellesley College
33. Washington University in St. Louis
34. Georgia Institute of Technology
35. Emory University
36. Bowdoin College
37. Johns Hopkins University
38. Tufts University
39. University of California, Santa Barbara
40. California Institute of Technology
41. University of Notre Dame
42. University of Maryland, College Park
43. Swarthmore College
44. Middlebury College
45. University of Texas, Austin
46. Claremont McKenna College
47. University of California, Irvine
48. Colgate University
49. Carnegie Mellon University
50. Texas A&M University, College Station

Joke list. There is NO way schools like Amherst, UVA, and Florida are better than schools like Hopkins, CMU, or CalTech. No way..

The ranking this year factor socioeconomic status into the metrics as opposed to being purely obsessed with "prestige". If you're a low-income student, you're likely to fare better at the former ones than the latter ones, plus JHU or Caltech aren't as socioeconomically diverse as some of the better ranked ones.

If you are a low income student you will often pay less at good privates than at publics.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:
1. University of California, Berkeley
2. Yale University
3. Princeton University
4. Stanford University
5. Columbia University
6. Massachusetts Institute of Technology
7. Harvard University
8. University of California, Los Angeles
9. University of Pennsylvania
10. Northwestern University
11. Dartmouth College
12. Duke University
13. Cornell University
14. Vanderbilt University
15. University of California, San Diego
16. Amherst College
17. University of Southern California
18. Williams College
19. Pomona College
20. University of California, Davis
21. Georgetown University
22. University of Michigan, Ann Arbor
23. University of Chicago
24. Rice University
25. University of Florida
26. Brown University
27. University of Washington, Seattle
28. University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill
29. United States Military Academy
30. University of Virginia
31. University of Illinois, Urbana-Champaign
32. Wellesley College
33. Washington University in St. Louis
34. Georgia Institute of Technology
35. Emory University
36. Bowdoin College
37. Johns Hopkins University
38. Tufts University
39. University of California, Santa Barbara
40. California Institute of Technology
41. University of Notre Dame
42. University of Maryland, College Park
43. Swarthmore College
44. Middlebury College
45. University of Texas, Austin
46. Claremont McKenna College
47. University of California, Irvine
48. Colgate University
49. Carnegie Mellon University
50. Texas A&M University, College Station

Joke list. There is NO way schools like Amherst, UVA, and Florida are better than schools like Hopkins, CMU, or CalTech. No way..

The ranking this year factor socioeconomic status into the metrics as opposed to being purely obsessed with "prestige". If you're a low-income student, you're likely to fare better at the former ones than the latter ones, plus JHU or Caltech aren't as socioeconomically diverse as some of the better ranked ones.

If you are a low income student you will often pay less at good privates than at publics.

Only at top privates not really at good privates.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
1. University of California, Berkeley
2. Yale University
3. Princeton University
4. Stanford University
5. Columbia University
6. Massachusetts Institute of Technology
7. Harvard University
8. University of California, Los Angeles
9. University of Pennsylvania
10. Northwestern University
11. Dartmouth College
12. Duke University
13. Cornell University
14. Vanderbilt University
15. University of California, San Diego
16. Amherst College
17. University of Southern California
18. Williams College
19. Pomona College
20. University of California, Davis
21. Georgetown University
22. University of Michigan, Ann Arbor
23. University of Chicago
24. Rice University
25. University of Florida
26. Brown University
27. University of Washington, Seattle
28. University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill
29. United States Military Academy
30. University of Virginia
31. University of Illinois, Urbana-Champaign
32. Wellesley College
33. Washington University in St. Louis
34. Georgia Institute of Technology
35. Emory University
36. Bowdoin College
37. Johns Hopkins University
38. Tufts University
39. University of California, Santa Barbara
40. California Institute of Technology
41. University of Notre Dame
42. University of Maryland, College Park
43. Swarthmore College
44. Middlebury College
45. University of Texas, Austin
46. Claremont McKenna College
47. University of California, Irvine
48. Colgate University
49. Carnegie Mellon University
50. Texas A&M University, College Station

Joke list. There is NO way schools like Amherst, UVA, and Florida are better than schools like Hopkins, CMU, or CalTech. No way..

The ranking this year factor socioeconomic status into the metrics as opposed to being purely obsessed with "prestige". If you're a low-income student, you're likely to fare better at the former ones than the latter ones, plus JHU or Caltech aren't as socioeconomically diverse as some of the better ranked ones.

It doesn't appear to factor what the actual students think. Every single one of the University of California schools, including Berkeley, rank it the bottom 10 of the list above in the value for money survey on Niche.

[Anonymous]

Breaking down the ROI:

https://www.thirdway.org/report/price-to-earnings-premium-a-new-way-of-measuring-return-on-investment-in-higher-ed

The premium is calculated by subtracting the median salary of high school graduate within each state from median salaries 10 years out. The price-to-earnings ratio is calculated by dividing the 4-year total average net price by the earnings premium and means the number of years it takes to recoup the net cost.

Earnings premium beyond a high school graduate, total 4-year net price, price-to-earnings ratio
Stanford: $69,180, $56,620, 0.8
Princeton $49,850, $41,024, 0.8
Harvard: $62,343, $59,924, 1.0
MIT:$77,343, $90,196, 1.2
Yale:$57,200, $78,028, 1.4
Cal-Berkeley:$39,980, $57,872, 1.5
UCLA:$35,880, $54,288, 1.5
Columbia:$59,514, $88,004, 1.5
Penn: $60,367, $93,124, 1.5
Chicago:$43,280, $78,040, 1.8
Dartmouth: $49,195, $108,320, 2.2
Duke: $62,400, $134,660, 2.2
Cornell:$53,414, $121,992, 2.3
Northwestern:$44,180, $105,592, 2.4
Johns Hopkins:$46,895, $127,816, 2.7
Brown:$41,615, $114,516, 2.8

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So if a school has large numbers of students who go on to work in education, social work, publishing/journalism, or the arts, their ranking will suffer because of the importance of salary.

If you graduate a lot of ibankers, engineers, and tech bros, you do better.

Cal graduates ton of students who studied education, social work, journalism or the arts. These programs are highly ranked.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So if a school has large numbers of students who go on to work in education, social work, publishing/journalism, or the arts, their ranking will suffer because of the importance of salary.

If you graduate a lot of ibankers, engineers, and tech bros, you do better.

Cal graduates ton of students who studied education, social work, journalism or the arts. These programs are highly ranked.

Major is highly correlated with income at least initially through early career. Schools graduating a high percentage of engineers, for instance, will have a higher average income. Georgia Tech, for instance, will have a higher average income than Berkeley, UCLA, Michigan, UVA, etc. for this reason. That doesn't mean GT engineers earn more than Berkeley engineers, though. Male college graduates also earn significantly about 35% more than female college graduates on average.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Breaking down the ROI:

https://www.thirdway.org/report/price-to-earnings-premium-a-new-way-of-measuring-return-on-investment-in-higher-ed

The premium is calculated by subtracting the median salary of high school graduate within each state from median salaries 10 years out. The price-to-earnings ratio is calculated by dividing the 4-year total average net price by the earnings premium and means the number of years it takes to recoup the net cost.

Earnings premium beyond a high school graduate, total 4-year net price, price-to-earnings ratio
Stanford: $69,180, $56,620, 0.8
Princeton $49,850, $41,024, 0.8
Harvard: $62,343, $59,924, 1.0
MIT:$77,343, $90,196, 1.2
Yale:$57,200, $78,028, 1.4
Cal-Berkeley:$39,980, $57,872, 1.5
UCLA:$35,880, $54,288, 1.5
Columbia:$59,514, $88,004, 1.5
Penn: $60,367, $93,124, 1.5
Chicago:$43,280, $78,040, 1.8
Dartmouth: $49,195, $108,320, 2.2
Duke: $62,400, $134,660, 2.2
Cornell:$53,414, $121,992, 2.3
Northwestern:$44,180, $105,592, 2.4
Johns Hopkins:$46,895, $127,816, 2.7
Brown:$41,615, $114,516, 2.8

Adding in Georgia Tech:

Stanford: $69,180, $56,620, 0.8
Georgia Tech: $56,321, 46,556, 0.8
Princeton $49,850, $41,024, 0.8
Harvard: $62,343, $59,924, 1.0
MIT:$77,343, $90,196, 1.2
Yale:$57,200, $78,028, 1.4
Cal-Berkeley:$39,980, $57,872, 1.5
UCLA:$35,880, $54,288, 1.5
Columbia:$59,514, $88,004, 1.5
Penn: $60,367, $93,124, 1.5
Chicago:$43,280, $78,040, 1.8
Dartmouth: $49,195, $108,320, 2.2
Duke: $62,400, $134,660, 2.2
Cornell:$53,414, $121,992, 2.3
Northwestern:$44,180, $105,592, 2.4
Johns Hopkins:$46,895, $127,816, 2.7
Brown:$41,615, $114,516, 2.8

[Anonymous]

Why is Brown so low in the rankings?

[Anonymous]

Other than Berkeley and UCLA being so high, I like this list

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why is Brown so low in the rankings?

High cost, low ROI (especially if you're low income, which this ranking is look at).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why is Brown so low in the rankings?

High cost, low ROI (especially if you're low income, which this ranking is look at).

Adding on to that - low ROI probably means lower social mobility, which is now heavily factored into the rankings (and why Berkeley is No.1 in the rankings).