If your junior had a significant improvement in grade this year...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have a rising senior. Everyone was doing their work and tests together. I don't know if that is cheating. But lots of group work going on.

100% cheating. Tests are not supposed to be done together. Graded homework and Papers are not supposed to be written with your friend’s help. Your kid cheated all year and you had no idea?

Kids have always done papers and homework together. And this was happening somewhat in lieu of class discussions.

Many of the test were open book aside from the ones they needed to sign the pledge.

The point is to learn. I think they learned more this way in study groups than they would have otherwise in remote learning.

Pledge they sign? Are you talking about some specific private school?

Graded work is never meant to be completed with the help of friends. Your friends should not be writing your papers. That is not new. Giving friends homework answers is cheating. Working on tests together is cheating. And no, most tests were not open book. Your experience is not universal.

[Anonymous]

Graded group work is not uncommon, say for labs. Perhaps your information is outdated.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have a rising senior. Everyone was doing their work and tests together. I don't know if that is cheating. But lots of group work going on.

100% cheating. Tests are not supposed to be done together. Graded homework and Papers are not supposed to be written with your friend’s help. Your kid cheated all year and you had no idea?

Kids have always done papers and homework together. And this was happening somewhat in lieu of class discussions.

Many of the test were open book aside from the ones they needed to sign the pledge.

The point is to learn. I think they learned more this way in study groups than they would have otherwise in remote learning.

Pledge they sign? Are you talking about some specific private school?

Graded work is never meant to be completed with the help of friends. Your friends should not be writing your papers. That is not new. Giving friends homework answers is cheating. Working on tests together is cheating. And no, most tests were not open book. Your experience is not universal.

JFC, simmer down. Are you the same poster who keeps insisting all kids were cheating and then defining cheating? Give it a rest and take a Xanax. Sorry to hear your snowflake was cheating, but don’t extrapolate your obvious insecurities onto others. In short, mind your own business.
DP

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Graded group work is not uncommon, say for labs. Perhaps your information is outdated.

+1
I hate group projects, but my kid was assigned several this year. The ranting poster needs medication, clearly.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Graded group work is not uncommon, say for labs. Perhaps your information is outdated.

+1
I hate group projects, but my kid was assigned several this year. The ranting poster needs medication, clearly.

I don’t think anyone is dumb enough to think that a group project is meant to be completed alone. But I also don’t think that parents are dumb enough to think that their kids are actually supposed to be on facetime or texting during a test, or sending pics of their calc equations. There are definitely some parents on here who know their kids cheated and think it’s fine because they assume everyone else did.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Graded group work is not uncommon, say for labs. Perhaps your information is outdated.

+1
I hate group projects, but my kid was assigned several this year. The ranting poster needs medication, clearly.

I don’t think anyone is dumb enough to think that a group project is meant to be completed alone. But I also don’t think that parents are dumb enough to think that their kids are actually supposed to be on facetime or texting during a test, or sending pics of their calc equations. There are definitely some parents on here who know their kids cheated and think it’s fine because they assume everyone else did.

I’m sorry your kid cheated. That’s awful. What are you going to do about it?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I have a rising senior. Everyone was doing their work and tests together. I don't know if that is cheating. But lots of group work going on.

Absolutely not “everyone.”

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’ve not heard of any cheating.

+1
I think there are one or two very insecure parents who keep bleating about this and hoping everyone will believe them. It’s beyond old, not to mention transparent.

HS Teacher. No dog in this fight but the cheating this year was just epic.

Wow! But for everyone all up in other people's business here. Play this out for me. You believe colleges will "know" those straight A's during the pandemic were unearned. So then what? What happens next? They shit-can the application? Based on KNOWING those grades weren't legitimate? Contact the high school to let them know they suspect cheating?

Colleges already had to deal with this for the high school class of 2021. When everyone went to unplanned remote learning starting spring 2020, true learning and grades fell by the wayside. Those kids did fine.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’ve not heard of any cheating.

+1
I think there are one or two very insecure parents who keep bleating about this and hoping everyone will believe them. It’s beyond old, not to mention transparent.

HS Teacher. No dog in this fight but the cheating this year was just epic.

Wow! But for everyone all up in other people's business here. Play this out for me. You believe colleges will "know" those straight A's during the pandemic were unearned. So then what? What happens next? They shit-can the application? Based on KNOWING those grades weren't legitimate? Contact the high school to let them know they suspect cheating?

Colleges already had to deal with this for the high school class of 2021. When everyone went to unplanned remote learning starting spring 2020, true learning and grades fell by the wayside. Those kids did fine.

Colleges don’t owe anyone an admittance or an explanation for a denial. And they sure don’t give anyone the benefit of the doubt.They do what they want with the information they have.

If they are choosing between kids with the same gpa, and some had consistent great grades throughout HS, some had top grades and dipped a little during distance learning, and some did not so great the first two years of high school, but had straight As during distance learning...which groups make me most sense as strong students?
First, of course, the ones who were strong throughout. They’re in.
Second, a slight dip during a global pandemic when the world is in turmoil and difficult coursework is moved online makes sense. They’re in.
Third, what would explain a kid that didn’t do so well in person suddenly doing well online? A couple things...severe social anxiety, severe ADHD, and cheating. While the school can’t discriminate based on disability, and many parents choose not to disclose disabilities, the college might not know why the student did better at home and their goal is to choose who they think would be the most successful in their programs, which are in person and not online. So to further understand the student they might look at an ACT or SAT score to see if it supports this student’s straight As or if it supports their previous grades earned during in person school.

So no, no one is going to be outright accused of cheating, but they are going to have their application scrutinized in a different light.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’ve not heard of any cheating.

+1
I think there are one or two very insecure parents who keep bleating about this and hoping everyone will believe them. It’s beyond old, not to mention transparent.

HS Teacher. No dog in this fight but the cheating this year was just epic.

Wow! But for everyone all up in other people's business here. Play this out for me. You believe colleges will "know" those straight A's during the pandemic were unearned. So then what? What happens next? They shit-can the application? Based on KNOWING those grades weren't legitimate? Contact the high school to let them know they suspect cheating?

Colleges already had to deal with this for the high school class of 2021. When everyone went to unplanned remote learning starting spring 2020, true learning and grades fell by the wayside. Those kids did fine.

Colleges don’t owe anyone an admittance or an explanation for a denial. And they sure don’t give anyone the benefit of the doubt.They do what they want with the information they have.

If they are choosing between kids with the same gpa, and some had consistent great grades throughout HS, some had top grades and dipped a little during distance learning, and some did not so great the first two years of high school, but had straight As during distance learning...which groups make me most sense as strong students?
First, of course, the ones who were strong throughout. They’re in.
Second, a slight dip during a global pandemic when the world is in turmoil and difficult coursework is moved online makes sense. They’re in.
Third, what would explain a kid that didn’t do so well in person suddenly doing well online? A couple things...severe social anxiety, severe ADHD, and cheating. While the school can’t discriminate based on disability, and many parents choose not to disclose disabilities, the college might not know why the student did better at home and their goal is to choose who they think would be the most successful in their programs, which are in person and not online. So to further understand the student they might look at an ACT or SAT score to see if it supports this student’s straight As or if it supports their previous grades earned during in person school.

So no, no one is going to be outright accused of cheating, but they are going to have their application scrutinized in a different light.

However, in non-pandemic times, the kid who has an upward trajectory of grades is considered a strong candidate. Put yourself in an admissions officer's shoes. Which student is an upward trajectory student, and which one cheated? Perhaps if the kid was getting a bunch of B's and C's before and then showed straight A's it seems more obvious. But for a lot of kids, I think it's not as clear cut as you're making it. Admittedly, SAT/ACT scores matching the grades would help. But in a test optional environment, those may not be available.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have a rising senior. Everyone was doing their work and tests together. I don't know if that is cheating. But lots of group work going on.

Absolutely not “everyone.”

+ a million
The same poster continues to try and convince everyone that cheating was rampant. Sounds like her kid was *definitely* cheating and she’s feeling insecure about it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’ve not heard of any cheating.

+1
I think there are one or two very insecure parents who keep bleating about this and hoping everyone will believe them. It’s beyond old, not to mention transparent.

HS Teacher. No dog in this fight but the cheating this year was just epic.

Wow! But for everyone all up in other people's business here. Play this out for me. You believe colleges will "know" those straight A's during the pandemic were unearned. So then what? What happens next? They shit-can the application? Based on KNOWING those grades weren't legitimate? Contact the high school to let them know they suspect cheating?

Colleges already had to deal with this for the high school class of 2021. When everyone went to unplanned remote learning starting spring 2020, true learning and grades fell by the wayside. Those kids did fine.

Colleges don’t owe anyone an admittance or an explanation for a denial. And they sure don’t give anyone the benefit of the doubt.They do what they want with the information they have.

If they are choosing between kids with the same gpa, and some had consistent great grades throughout HS, some had top grades and dipped a little during distance learning, and some did not so great the first two years of high school, but had straight As during distance learning...which groups make me most sense as strong students?
First, of course, the ones who were strong throughout. They’re in.
Second, a slight dip during a global pandemic when the world is in turmoil and difficult coursework is moved online makes sense. They’re in.
Third, what would explain a kid that didn’t do so well in person suddenly doing well online? A couple things...severe social anxiety, severe ADHD, and cheating. While the school can’t discriminate based on disability, and many parents choose not to disclose disabilities, the college might not know why the student did better at home and their goal is to choose who they think would be the most successful in their programs, which are in person and not online. So to further understand the student they might look at an ACT or SAT score to see if it supports this student’s straight As or if it supports their previous grades earned during in person school.

So no, no one is going to be outright accused of cheating, but they are going to have their application scrutinized in a different light.

DP. It’s clear you lay awake at night, thinking all possible scenarios through. Perhaps a hobby is in order? Regardless, this is simply one person’s musings and really doesn’t mean anything. You have no more idea what goes into admission decisions than any of us. And certainly, there is more than just GPAs and (optional) test scores to consider.

[Anonymous]

I know a lot of kids who did group work and many parents who corrected work. My own family is guilty of both. My very close friends are honest that the same things happened in their households.
You are completely naive to think that this didn't happen in a large number of families.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I know a lot of kids who did group work and many parents who corrected work. My own family is guilty of both. My very close friends are honest that the same things happened in their households.
You are completely naive to think that this didn't happen in a large number of families.

+1. Same.

[Anonymous]

Is my DD doomed? She had a horrible 9th grade. Hated the school socially - very difficult being a minority at her school. 10th grade B student and 11th A student. She is just more focused on the important things like getting into a good college. Her overall GPA is 3.4. She is a minority with 3 varsity sports (doesn't want to play in college - even if she could) and lots of community service and other activities. She missed the SAT because it was cancelled last minute. She will take it though. I can tell you she did not cheat!!! She didn't have the distractions of drama, etc.