When can we lose masks in elementary school?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The Delta variant is coming. The idiots from the red states will bring it this summer when they vacation here and we'll be lucky if kids get to go back to schools with masks.

Turn off the media. It is all fear mongering and hype. For whatever reason, public health officials are ginning up fear of a new variant. It may be that they like the control and $$$. It may be that they are in bed with pharma companies making money off of vaccines. It may be something else. I don't know. But how, after the past few years, can you take anything you hear from major media outlets as anything other than a propaganda campaign? Those people unfortunately stopped being good faith actors a while ago.

Also, note that those "idiots" from red states managed to send their kids last year while you sat at home cowering in fear and waiting from the latest transmissions from CNN and MSNBC.

Well the WHO is recommending face masks for even the fully vaccinated. But who cares what they say, right?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I would be furious if virtual was no longer offered and masks were not required in the fall.

That's fine. You can be furious and homeschool. There's no point in kids wearing masks when literally no one in our area has covid.

Agree. I have always felt this.

Other facts:

Kids are erroneously scared and indoctrinated that they, the unvaccinated, are a threat and must muzzle up.
The psychological damage of thst alone is unconscionable.

It is unethical to require children to take on the risks of an experimental therapy to protect adults. The Vaxxines and masks are all under EUA.

If we accept that sars-cov2 is aerosolized then masks are pointless because even the best mask you found will have gaps.

If this is the most deadly virus in the world, shouldn't the kids be carefully disposing their masks in a biohazard container every time they take them off?

We don't know the long-term consequences of wearing masks.
A group of Parents in Florida sent in 6 masks worn by children for an average of 4.7 hrs. They sent the masks to a to a university lab to be tested
tested. They did not find sars-cov2 but found at least 11 other dangerous pathogens. We know second hand smoke is bad fir children, why do we think it's safe for anyone to breathe in any of these pathogens found on kids masks.

Streptococcus pneumoniae (pneumonia)
Mycobacterium tuberculosis (tuberculosis)
Neisseria meningitidis (meningitis, sepsis)
Acanthamoeba polyphaga (keratitis and granulomatous amebic encephalitis)
Acinetobacter baumanni (pneumonia, blood stream infections, meningitis, UTIs—resistant to antibiotics)
Escherichia coli (food poisoning)
Borrelia burgdorferi (causes Lyme disease)
Corynebacterium diphtheriae (diphtheria)
Legionella pneumophila (Legionnaires’ disease)
Staphylococcus pyogenes serotype M3 (severe infections—high morbidity rates)
Staphylococcus aureus (meningitis, sepsis)

(First link I found: https://alachuachronicle.com/dangerous-pathogens-found-on-local-residents-face-masks/)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I would be furious if virtual was no longer offered and masks were not required in the fall.

That's fine. You can be furious and homeschool. There's no point in kids wearing masks when literally no one in our area has covid.

Agree. I have always felt this.

Other facts:

Kids are erroneously scared and indoctrinated that they, the unvaccinated, are a threat and must muzzle up.
The psychological damage of thst alone is unconscionable.

It is unethical to require children to take on the risks of an experimental therapy to protect adults. The Vaxxines and masks are all under EUA.

If we accept that sars-cov2 is aerosolized then masks are pointless because even the best mask you found will have gaps.

If this is the most deadly virus in the world, shouldn't the kids be carefully disposing their masks in a biohazard container every time they take them off?

We don't know the long-term consequences of wearing masks.
A group of Parents in Florida sent in 6 masks worn by children for an average of 4.7 hrs. They sent the masks to a to a university lab to be tested
tested. They did not find sars-cov2 but found at least 11 other dangerous pathogens. We know second hand smoke is bad fir children, why do we think it's safe for anyone to breathe in any of these pathogens found on kids masks.

Streptococcus pneumoniae (pneumonia)
Mycobacterium tuberculosis (tuberculosis)
Neisseria meningitidis (meningitis, sepsis)
Acanthamoeba polyphaga (keratitis and granulomatous amebic encephalitis)
Acinetobacter baumanni (pneumonia, blood stream infections, meningitis, UTIs—resistant to antibiotics)
Escherichia coli (food poisoning)
Borrelia burgdorferi (causes Lyme disease)
Corynebacterium diphtheriae (diphtheria)
Legionella pneumophila (Legionnaires’ disease)
Staphylococcus pyogenes serotype M3 (severe infections—high morbidity rates)
Staphylococcus aureus (meningitis, sepsis)

(First link I found: https://alachuachronicle.com/dangerous-pathogens-found-on-local-residents-face-masks/)

I’m sorry but you lost me at your obvious craziness.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How about if parents and older siblings of child are vaccinated, that kid doesn’t have to wear a mask.

Impossible to implement.

Yes, and accomplishes little. Kids see a lot of other people.

It's medical apartheid.
Move to China.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I would be furious if virtual was no longer offered and masks were not required in the fall.

That's fine. You can be furious and homeschool. There's no point in kids wearing masks when literally no one in our area has covid.

Agree. I have always felt this.

Other facts:

Kids are erroneously scared and indoctrinated that they, the unvaccinated, are a threat and must muzzle up.
The psychological damage of thst alone is unconscionable.

It is unethical to require children to take on the risks of an experimental therapy to protect adults. The Vaxxines and masks are all under EUA.

If we accept that sars-cov2 is aerosolized then masks are pointless because even the best mask you found will have gaps.

If this is the most deadly virus in the world, shouldn't the kids be carefully disposing their masks in a biohazard container every time they take them off?

We don't know the long-term consequences of wearing masks.
A group of Parents in Florida sent in 6 masks worn by children for an average of 4.7 hrs. They sent the masks to a to a university lab to be tested
tested. They did not find sars-cov2 but found at least 11 other dangerous pathogens. We know second hand smoke is bad fir children, why do we think it's safe for anyone to breathe in any of these pathogens found on kids masks.

Streptococcus pneumoniae (pneumonia)
Mycobacterium tuberculosis (tuberculosis)
Neisseria meningitidis (meningitis, sepsis)
Acanthamoeba polyphaga (keratitis and granulomatous amebic encephalitis)
Acinetobacter baumanni (pneumonia, blood stream infections, meningitis, UTIs—resistant to antibiotics)
Escherichia coli (food poisoning)
Borrelia burgdorferi (causes Lyme disease)
Corynebacterium diphtheriae (diphtheria)
Legionella pneumophila (Legionnaires’ disease)
Staphylococcus pyogenes serotype M3 (severe infections—high morbidity rates)
Staphylococcus aureus (meningitis, sepsis)

(First link I found: https://alachuachronicle.com/dangerous-pathogens-found-on-local-residents-face-masks/)

I’m sorry but you lost me at your obvious craziness.

Calling someone crazy is an outdated and lazy way to dismiss someone. Try resounding to the points made by the poster

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The Delta variant is coming. The idiots from the red states will bring it this summer when they vacation here and we'll be lucky if kids get to go back to schools with masks.

Turn off the media. It is all fear mongering and hype. For whatever reason, public health officials are ginning up fear of a new variant. It may be that they like the control and $$$. It may be that they are in bed with pharma companies making money off of vaccines. It may be something else. I don't know. But how, after the past few years, can you take anything you hear from major media outlets as anything other than a propaganda campaign? Those people unfortunately stopped being good faith actors a while ago.

Also, note that those "idiots" from red states managed to send their kids last year while you sat at home cowering in fear and waiting from the latest transmissions from CNN and MSNBC.

So true! Thank you!

Ever notice that the ads on CNN and MSNBC are almost always super long pharma infomercials!?
They are in bed together. It's so obvious.

[Anonymous]

I suspect that there will be a huge uptick in regular coronavirus cases, RSV, flu, adenovirus, etc in the fall.
This will cause confusion and chaos again. It's going to be a s.show and honestly, focusing on masks is probably a distraction when we should be focusing on stopping all medical mandates.

More importantly:
We all need to stop fighting each other as our freedoms and liberties are being stripped away.
We are likely in two camps.
You either support the idea that government agencies (not elected) have the right to mandate what goes in or goes on our bodies and our children's bodies or you are against it.

I am personally against it. I will leave the school system and homeschool, no need to make that comment.

Because DCUM is anonymous (which has positives and negatives) I think it is difficult to organize around volatile issues.
And everyone is entitled to their own passions.

Our jobs as parents now is to make the most informed choices and that is a huge challenge when there is so much censorship of discourse. We cannot have true scientific consensus when state controlled agencies decide what is science. That is scientism.

Please please share any constructive avenues for meaningful debate and ways to make our voices heard.

My children will not be back in school with masks. At least not until a true discussion of the pros, cons, and effectiveness is had at a local and national level. I'm not taking about parroting Fauci soundbites or only looking at Facebook for information.

There are a lot of intelligent people in this area and tbh, I'm appalled by people's willingness to accept the dominant narrative and not question things. We all literally hold in our hands the most powerful research tool in the history of mankind.

Stop bickering, stop virtue signaling, stop blaming and shoulding others.
We need to come together and demand the truth. Because things are definitely not clear.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I suspect that there will be a huge uptick in regular coronavirus cases, RSV, flu, adenovirus, etc in the fall.
This will cause confusion and chaos again. It's going to be a s.show and honestly, focusing on masks is probably a distraction when we should be focusing on stopping all medical mandates.

More importantly:
We all need to stop fighting each other as our freedoms and liberties are being stripped away.
We are likely in two camps.
You either support the idea that government agencies (not elected) have the right to mandate what goes in or goes on our bodies and our children's bodies or you are against it.

I am personally against it. I will leave the school system and homeschool, no need to make that comment.

Because DCUM is anonymous (which has positives and negatives) I think it is difficult to organize around volatile issues.
And everyone is entitled to their own passions.

Our jobs as parents now is to make the most informed choices and that is a huge challenge when there is so much censorship of discourse. We cannot have true scientific consensus when state controlled agencies decide what is science. That is scientism.

Please please share any constructive avenues for meaningful debate and ways to make our voices heard.

My children will not be back in school with masks. At least not until a true discussion of the pros, cons, and effectiveness is had at a local and national level. I'm not taking about parroting Fauci soundbites or only looking at Facebook for information.

There are a lot of intelligent people in this area and tbh, I'm appalled by people's willingness to accept the dominant narrative and not question things. We all literally hold in our hands the most powerful research tool in the history of mankind.

Stop bickering, stop virtue signaling, stop blaming and shoulding others.
We need to come together and demand the truth. Because things are definitely not clear.

Sorry, I am in the camp of we should constructively follow scientifically-based official government advice, and not random "they are taking away our liberties!" calls to arms. If you home-school your child, I wish you luck and all the best, but do not think we should "crowd source" government policy for public health. It is clear that doing the right thing in a global pandemic is not popular -- apparently either telling people to do the right thing to keep as many people as safe as possible or telling others to stop doing things when they are no longer necessary. Government officials will have to make hard calls, will get some of them wrong, but we should continue to have a little patience with them and with each other.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I suspect that there will be a huge uptick in regular coronavirus cases, RSV, flu, adenovirus, etc in the fall.
This will cause confusion and chaos again. It's going to be a s.show and honestly, focusing on masks is probably a distraction when we should be focusing on stopping all medical mandates.

More importantly:
We all need to stop fighting each other as our freedoms and liberties are being stripped away.
We are likely in two camps.
You either support the idea that government agencies (not elected) have the right to mandate what goes in or goes on our bodies and our children's bodies or you are against it.

I am personally against it. I will leave the school system and homeschool, no need to make that comment.

Because DCUM is anonymous (which has positives and negatives) I think it is difficult to organize around volatile issues.
And everyone is entitled to their own passions.

Our jobs as parents now is to make the most informed choices and that is a huge challenge when there is so much censorship of discourse. We cannot have true scientific consensus when state controlled agencies decide what is science. That is scientism.

Please please share any constructive avenues for meaningful debate and ways to make our voices heard.

My children will not be back in school with masks. At least not until a true discussion of the pros, cons, and effectiveness is had at a local and national level. I'm not taking about parroting Fauci soundbites or only looking at Facebook for information.

There are a lot of intelligent people in this area and tbh, I'm appalled by people's willingness to accept the dominant narrative and not question things. We all literally hold in our hands the most powerful research tool in the history of mankind.

Stop bickering, stop virtue signaling, stop blaming and shoulding others.
We need to come together and demand the truth. Because things are definitely not clear.

So you are obviously anti any kind of vaccine. You are not going to get much traction here. Try another website.

[Anonymous]

I don't understand your reasoning to be anti-masks.

Anonymous wrote:I suspect that there will be a huge uptick in regular coronavirus cases, RSV, flu, adenovirus, etc in the fall.
This will cause confusion and chaos again. It's going to be a s.show and honestly, focusing on masks is probably a distraction when we should be focusing on stopping all medical mandates.

More importantly:
We all need to stop fighting each other as our freedoms and liberties are being stripped away.
We are likely in two camps.
You either support the idea that government agencies (not elected) have the right to mandate what goes in or goes on our bodies and our children's bodies or you are against it.

I am personally against it. I will leave the school system and homeschool, no need to make that comment.

Because DCUM is anonymous (which has positives and negatives) I think it is difficult to organize around volatile issues.
And everyone is entitled to their own passions.

Our jobs as parents now is to make the most informed choices and that is a huge challenge when there is so much censorship of discourse. We cannot have true scientific consensus when state controlled agencies decide what is science. That is scientism.

Please please share any constructive avenues for meaningful debate and ways to make our voices heard.

My children will not be back in school with masks. At least not until a true discussion of the pros, cons, and effectiveness is had at a local and national level. I'm not taking about parroting Fauci soundbites or only looking at Facebook for information.

There are a lot of intelligent people in this area and tbh, I'm appalled by people's willingness to accept the dominant narrative and not question things. We all literally hold in our hands the most powerful research tool in the history of mankind.

Stop bickering, stop virtue signaling, stop blaming and shoulding others.
We need to come together and demand the truth. Because things are definitely not clear.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The Delta variant is coming. The idiots from the red states will bring it this summer when they vacation here and we'll be lucky if kids get to go back to schools with masks.

Turn off the media. It is all fear mongering and hype. For whatever reason, public health officials are ginning up fear of a new variant. It may be that they like the control and $$$. It may be that they are in bed with pharma companies making money off of vaccines. It may be something else. I don't know. But how, after the past few years, can you take anything you hear from major media outlets as anything other than a propaganda campaign? Those people unfortunately stopped being good faith actors a while ago.

Also, note that those "idiots" from red states managed to send their kids last year while you sat at home cowering in fear and waiting from the latest transmissions from CNN and MSNBC.

So true! Thank you!

Ever notice that the ads on CNN and MSNBC are almost always super long pharma infomercials!?
They are in bed together. It's so obvious.

+1

And I also want to add that plenty of 'idiots' from blue states are traveling all over the world this summer. Please don't act like red states have a monopoly on travel.

[Anonymous]

Sorry, I am in the camp of we should constructively follow scientifically-based official government advice, and not random "they are taking away our liberties!" calls to arms. If you home-school your child, I wish you luck and all the best, but do not think we should "crowd source" government policy for public health. It is clear that doing the right thing in a global pandemic is not popular -- apparently either telling people to do the right thing to keep as many people as safe as possible or telling others to stop doing things when they are no longer necessary. Government officials will have to make hard calls, will get some of them wrong, but we should continue to have a little patience with them and with each other.

The problem here is that the "scientifically-based official government advice" has shown itself to be unreliable and possible motivated by political considerations. It is not some trustworthy lodestar that can be relied up to guide our actions.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The Delta variant is coming. The idiots from the red states will bring it this summer when they vacation here and we'll be lucky if kids get to go back to schools with masks.

Turn off the media. It is all fear mongering and hype. For whatever reason, public health officials are ginning up fear of a new variant. It may be that they like the control and $$$. It may be that they are in bed with pharma companies making money off of vaccines. It may be something else. I don't know. But how, after the past few years, can you take anything you hear from major media outlets as anything other than a propaganda campaign? Those people unfortunately stopped being good faith actors a while ago.

Also, note that those "idiots" from red states managed to send their kids last year while you sat at home cowering in fear and waiting from the latest transmissions from CNN and MSNBC.

Well the WHO is recommending face masks for even the fully vaccinated. But who cares what they say, right?

UNESCO is advocating strongly against school closures. Do you care what they say?

https://en.unesco.org/covid19/educationresponse/consequences

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The Delta variant is coming. The idiots from the red states will bring it this summer when they vacation here and we'll be lucky if kids get to go back to schools with masks.

Turn off the media. It is all fear mongering and hype. For whatever reason, public health officials are ginning up fear of a new variant. It may be that they like the control and $$$. It may be that they are in bed with pharma companies making money off of vaccines. It may be something else. I don't know. But how, after the past few years, can you take anything you hear from major media outlets as anything other than a propaganda campaign? Those people unfortunately stopped being good faith actors a while ago.

Also, note that those "idiots" from red states managed to send their kids last year while you sat at home cowering in fear and waiting from the latest transmissions from CNN and MSNBC.

Well the WHO is recommending face masks for even the fully vaccinated. But who cares what they say, right?

UNESCO is advocating strongly against school closures. Do you care what they say?

https://en.unesco.org/covid19/educationresponse/consequences

Also UNICEF:

"As we enter the second year of the COVID-19 pandemic, no effort should be spared to keep schools open or prioritize them in reopening plans. Children cannot afford another year of school closures."

https://data.unicef.org/resources/one-year-of-covid-19-and-school-closures/

I'm happy to follow WHO advice, as long as you're happy to also follow the advice of other international institutions.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I suspect that there will be a huge uptick in regular coronavirus cases, RSV, flu, adenovirus, etc in the fall.
This will cause confusion and chaos again. It's going to be a s.show and honestly, focusing on masks is probably a distraction when we should be focusing on stopping all medical mandates.

More importantly:
We all need to stop fighting each other as our freedoms and liberties are being stripped away.
We are likely in two camps.
You either support the idea that government agencies (not elected) have the right to mandate what goes in or goes on our bodies and our children's bodies or you are against it.

I am personally against it. I will leave the school system and homeschool, no need to make that comment.

Because DCUM is anonymous (which has positives and negatives) I think it is difficult to organize around volatile issues.
And everyone is entitled to their own passions.

Our jobs as parents now is to make the most informed choices and that is a huge challenge when there is so much censorship of discourse. We cannot have true scientific consensus when state controlled agencies decide what is science. That is scientism.

Please please share any constructive avenues for meaningful debate and ways to make our voices heard.

My children will not be back in school with masks. At least not until a true discussion of the pros, cons, and effectiveness is had at a local and national level. I'm not taking about parroting Fauci soundbites or only looking at Facebook for information.

There are a lot of intelligent people in this area and tbh, I'm appalled by people's willingness to accept the dominant narrative and not question things. We all literally hold in our hands the most powerful research tool in the history of mankind.

Stop bickering, stop virtue signaling, stop blaming and shoulding others.
We need to come together and demand the truth. Because things are definitely not clear.

Sorry, I am in the camp of we should constructively follow scientifically-based official government advice, and not random "they are taking away our liberties!" calls to arms. If you home-school your child, I wish you luck and all the best, but do not think we should "crowd source" government policy for public health. It is clear that doing the right thing in a global pandemic is not popular -- apparently either telling people to do the right thing to keep as many people as safe as possible or telling others to stop doing things when they are no longer necessary. Government officials will have to make hard calls, will get some of them wrong, but we should continue to have a little patience with them and with each other.

The WHO is not an official government. It's a multinational institution. I think that PP sounds a little nuts, but I also think there's a lot of space for people to be making their own assessments. I mean, I was getting hassled for **sitting in the park** a year ago. Government overreach is a thing. It's easy for you to say "give them patience" but how long does that last?