“We need to preserve diversity and mitigate the projected whitening of the feeder pattern”

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Anonymous wrote:Ward 3 parent here- I have zero problem with the language. In fact, I applaud it.

How benevolent of you.

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Anonymous wrote:Parent of white kids in the Deal/Wilson feeder pattern here: I don't have a problem with this language. It's a little clumsy, obviously, but I'm fine with the goal of diverse schools.

OP here:
If you want to promote equity, you discuss the positives - seats for OOB, at risk preferences, benefits for those populations, etc.
You don’t talk about an entire ethnicity as if it’s a “problem” to be solved. This isn’t clumsy; it’s hostile.

So now, what, we're going to be all up in arms about whatever proposal they make because of some dumb language in a PowerPoint? I don't think it's hostile, anyway.

Substitute black for white here and you’d be all over this. Hypocrite.

Gee, can you think of any reasons why, in a majority-white country that allowed black people to be owned and sold as property for hundreds of years and still has massive race-driven structural inequities in place, it would seem worse to talk about growth of a minority black population in schools as a problem than it is to talk about the opposite of that? If not, perhaps you should talk to whoever ran the history classes in whatever school district you attended for high school.

Most people who work hard, and make tons of money, and live in NW, and send they’re kids to public schools, which in of itself is a good thing, don’t have the time to worry if their every step is focused on countering the “centering of whiteness” or to dismantle the horrifying legacy of slavery, the hangover of which permeates so many facets of Black existence in America today.

The simple matter of the fact is if DC public schools keeps up, or if social pressure from wokeness causes pressure to enact policies like ending AP classes, or lowers testing standards, or placing low performing cohorts with high performing cohorts in class room settings, which causes the high performing cohorts to retrogress academically, then wealthy parents, who are open minded enough to willingly put their children in the DCPS system to begin with, will simply pull them out and put them in private schools. This scenario will see the quality of dc public schools fall across the board. No one has time for their kids to be social experiments. America is too fast paced. There is too much pressure and no has time for this sht. That’s not racist. Normal people just want their kids to get into good schools and learn to read and write at level. There is no simple fix to any of this. I am just laying out the facts. We are in a time of racial reckoning and that is fantastic. Police reform would be great. School reform would be great as long as educational vigor is maintained.

Social experiment?! You think having your white child attend schools with black students is a social experiment?! You are insane. These are children and families who want the same things as you. Get outside of your toxic bubble dude.

Do you even reading comprehension, brah?

Not integration. That is not the problem. The problem is penalizing advanced students OF ANY RACE by eradicating advanced placement classes in a social experiment. America doesn’t need meh students. It’s needs great students. You don’t have to mix students who are at proficient at a grade level with kids who are performing above a grade level in some socialistic attempt at equity. It’s not good for anyone.

The delusion that so many hold of the supremely gifted white child is absurd. No one is penalized. It isn’t a zero sum game. Plus we are talking education not economics so why trot socialism into the discussion? You sound like Fox News/Republican talking points. This discussion was on feeder patterns, not the Wilson AP for all covered in another thread.

Again, you are adding anecdotal hyperbole to this conversation where none is necessary.

My child is 1) not white. 2) while I like to think they are supremely gifted, all I know is they should not have the quality of academic rigor at their school lowered by making “ap for all” classes, by canceling neutral entrance exams required for their school to prove the child can handle the classes and pace of learning.

Also, stop stop using platitudes and euphemisms for the process of obtaining a quality education by saying education is “not a zero sum game”. This isn’t a fking joke and you’re using cloying, aloof and clinical terms to describe a subject that is of supreme importance to many people. It’s not a zero sum game. Children who are smart, and work hard should nor be held back or punished in a ham fisted attempt to foster equality of outcome. We need to provide equality of opportunity, not try to dumb everyone down by cancelling advanced classes out of “fairness”. That is the mixing I
Talking about. It’s not integration. It’s just all these attempts to hold advanced learners back of any race. That is real racism.

Do you want astronauts riding a spaceship built by engineers who had the rigor of their education lowered? Do you want China to eclipse our country because they worried more about getting the best educated populace and not about cancelling advanced classes for their kids so other kids who weren’t doing well didn’t feel bad?

Again this thread is not about AP for all...that’s is a different thread. AP should be for all because it isn’t hard! I took numerous AP classes and do not understand why parents cling to the idea that it is so rigorous. But that’s a discussion for another thread. This thread is covering resource hogging.

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Anonymous wrote:Ward 3 parent here- I have zero problem with the language. In fact, I applaud it.

How benevolent of you.

Your white fragility is off the charts. Calm down and have a drink or something. There are bigger problems in the world.

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If DC concentrated on making other MSes and HSes not TERRIBLE, then it wouldn't have this problem. Upper SES people can afford housing in UNW. Upper SES people can make a one hour commute for a year or two work, so they can get their kid into a Deal feeder -- any Deal feeder -- for 1-2 years. In DC, Upper SES is very white relative to the city's population, so the Wilson feed is white -- and getting whiter -- and the OOBers are actually white and getting whiter. The problem is not how to best shoehorn non-white people into Wilson, it's how to make ANY OTHER IB DCPS MS or HS as attractive TO ANYONE as Deal and Wilson. Concentrate on that DCPS.

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^^ And I say this as an Upper SES W6 resident who could get my kid into Deal/Wilson one way or the other if I wanted to, but would MUCH prefer to remain where I am and attend diverse, non-terrible local schools. S-H may work for us; Eastern will not. Eastern is terrible.

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Anonymous wrote:Ward 3 parent here- I have zero problem with the language. In fact, I applaud it.

How benevolent of you.

Your white fragility is off the charts. Calm down and eat cake or something. There are bigger problems in the world.

FTFY.

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Anonymous wrote:^^ And I say this as an Upper SES W6 resident who could get my kid into Deal/Wilson one way or the other if I wanted to, but would MUCH prefer to remain where I am and attend diverse, non-terrible local schools. S-H may work for us; Eastern will not. Eastern is terrible.

I assume your judgement of Eastern as "terrible" is based on test scores and nothing else, right?

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Anonymous wrote:Ward 3 parent here- I have zero problem with the language. In fact, I applaud it.

How benevolent of you.

Your white fragility is off the charts. Calm down and eat cake or something. There are bigger problems in the world.

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Makes zero sense. ZERO.

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Anonymous wrote:White people don’t like it when people say ‘too white’.

But they have no problem saying ‘too Black’ or ‘too Asian’.

Just because you say it and believe this nonsense doesn’t make it true. I don’t know any White people who say or believe anything is “too black” or “too Asian.” I believe that you wish it was the case because it gives you a cause to take up.

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Anonymous wrote:^^ And I say this as an Upper SES W6 resident who could get my kid into Deal/Wilson one way or the other if I wanted to, but would MUCH prefer to remain where I am and attend diverse, non-terrible local schools. S-H may work for us; Eastern will not. Eastern is terrible.

I assume your judgement of Eastern as "terrible" is based on test scores and nothing else, right?

Touché

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Anonymous wrote:Ward 3 parent here- I have zero problem with the language. In fact, I applaud it.

Ward 2 parent here whose child is the subject of this discussion: I find it disgusting and odious when anyone talks about "managing" a population based on an immutable characteristic. It's disgusting when white people talk this way about predominantly black schools or neighborhoods. And it's disgusting when DCPS - a taxpayer funded entity - talks this way about white families.

It's demeaning and dehumanizing, regardless of which group you are referencing. And this government-produced document clearly supposes that the existence of white people within the feeder pattern are a NEGATIVE characteristic. WTF?

I'd be more than happy for my kid's school to set aside 15% for At-Risk kids, and ramp up services to help those kids thrive. No problem there. Let all these kids take classes together, while also providing opportunities for remedial and advanced learning in small group settings. There's so many good ways for kids from different backgrounds to learn from each other.

The issue - as always - is over-crowding. DCPS reacts ten years too late to changes and parent pleas. It wants to cram thirty 2nd graders to a classroom. That's a not a conducive learning environment.

The problem is that Bowser/DCPS doesn't want to choose between (1) truly At-Risk kids and (2) the upper middle kids who come from nice houses all over DC and take OOB seats. The second category are a key constituency to which every Mayor kowtows. Hell, they are even given special low-digit license plates to flex their constituency. Those high performing, UMC kids MUST go to their neighborhood schools in Petworth, CoHi, Mt Pleasant, Shaw, Bloomingdale, CapHill, NE, Crestwood, Hillcrest, and Brookland if DCPS is going to turn-around and provide a solid education in all eight Wards.

But DCPS doesn't want to do that because it doesn't want to make tough choices. It's easier to blame other people for merely existing.

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Anonymous wrote:^^ And I say this as an Upper SES W6 resident who could get my kid into Deal/Wilson one way or the other if I wanted to, but would MUCH prefer to remain where I am and attend diverse, non-terrible local schools. S-H may work for us; Eastern will not. Eastern is terrible.

That’s racist! How dare you not put your child in your local public school. What are you doing? Looking out for their best interests? Racist!

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Anonymous wrote:^^ And I say this as an Upper SES W6 resident who could get my kid into Deal/Wilson one way or the other if I wanted to, but would MUCH prefer to remain where I am and attend diverse, non-terrible local schools. S-H may work for us; Eastern will not. Eastern is terrible.

I assume your judgement of Eastern as "terrible" is based on test scores and nothing else, right?

DP. Yes. I think it’s terrible they don’t even have 1 student who can pass the math PARCC.

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Anonymous wrote:I think that quibbling over the word choice feels a bit like dodging the issue, though. A clumsy word choice is a small issue -- the educational inequities across the city are a big issue, and I'd encourage folks to keep that perspective.

I for one am glad to be parenting a (white) child in a school system that values equity and recognizes that there's work to do on that front.

If they valued equity they’d try to figure out what’s wrong with Ward 7 and 8 schools.

This.

LMAO. They KNOW what's wrong but won't put in the money to figure it out because funnily enough some White parents would complain. People seriously already complain about at risk funding but at risk funding won't even buy a school ONE extra aide.
Of course it's not just money and resources there are also issues the mayor isn't solving, that are DC issues.

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Anonymous wrote:^^ And I say this as an Upper SES W6 resident who could get my kid into Deal/Wilson one way or the other if I wanted to, but would MUCH prefer to remain where I am and attend diverse, non-terrible local schools. S-H may work for us; Eastern will not. Eastern is terrible.

I assume your judgement of Eastern as "terrible" is based on test scores and nothing else, right?

Touché

If it’s not terrible then why all the effort to preserve at-risk OOB seats at Wilson? Come on.