How do Americans view universities abroad such as McGill, St Andrews, or similar?

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Anonymous wrote:St. Andrews gives zero boost. Even UVA and heck Penn State has more pull in some parts of America than St. Andrews does on a resume. The average American guy on the street, and hence the average hiring manager, wouldn’t be able to place it on a map.

UVA’s got mad pull on the east coast.

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Anonymous wrote:St. Andrews gives zero boost. Even UVA and heck Penn State has more pull in some parts of America than St. Andrews does on a resume. The average American guy on the street, and hence the average hiring manager, wouldn’t be able to place it on a map.

Penn State? Come on, you're just a troll

Lmao St Andrews grads just are not working in like... supply chain management in suburban Pennsylvania... or other areas or fields where hiring managers don't know abt one of the top universities in the UK. St Andrews grads have international, cosmopolitan backgrounds, and opt for NYC, London, other global cities. The top fields that St Andrews grads go into are consulting and financial sector.

It's cliche, but choosing a college is about finding the right fit. Penn State isn't normally a dream school, but could be a great fit for those from PA wanting in-state tuition, rah rah types into college sports, those doing engineering/CS etc. St Andrews is a choice for a student who's a bit more refined, sophisticated, independent. StA is the opposite of a frat school

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Anonymous wrote:St. Andrews gives zero boost. Even UVA and heck Penn State has more pull in some parts of America than St. Andrews does on a resume. The average American guy on the street, and hence the average hiring manager, wouldn’t be able to place it on a map.

Penn State? Come on, you're just a troll

Lmao St Andrews grads just are not working in like... supply chain management in suburban Pennsylvania... or other areas or fields where hiring managers don't know abt one of the top universities in the UK. St Andrews grads have international, cosmopolitan backgrounds, and opt for NYC, London, other global cities. The top fields that St Andrews grads go into are consulting and financial sector.

It's cliche, but choosing a college is about finding the right fit. Penn State isn't normally a dream school, but could be a great fit for those from PA wanting in-state tuition, rah rah types into college sports, those doing engineering/CS etc. St Andrews is a choice for a student who's a bit more refined, sophisticated, independent. StA is the opposite of a frat school

I think I just barfed in my mouth. And I’m an undergrad alum of an Ivy. St Andrew’s is gross and nowhere near as good a school as they so desperately pretend to be.

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Anonymous wrote:St. Andrews gives zero boost. Even UVA and heck Penn State has more pull in some parts of America than St. Andrews does on a resume. The average American guy on the street, and hence the average hiring manager, wouldn’t be able to place it on a map.

Penn State? Come on, you're just a troll

Lmao St Andrews grads just are not working in like... supply chain management in suburban Pennsylvania... or other areas or fields where hiring managers don't know abt one of the top universities in the UK. St Andrews grads have international, cosmopolitan backgrounds, and opt for NYC, London, other global cities. The top fields that St Andrews grads go into are consulting and financial sector.

It's cliche, but choosing a college is about finding the right fit. Penn State isn't normally a dream school, but could be a great fit for those from PA wanting in-state tuition, rah rah types into college sports, those doing engineering/CS etc. St Andrews is a choice for a student who's a bit more refined, sophisticated, independent. StA is the opposite of a frat school

I think I just barfed in my mouth. And I’m an undergrad alum of an Ivy. St Andrew’s is gross and nowhere near as good a school as they so desperately pretend to be.

ivy undergrad how amazing, but never learned to distinguish penn from penn state

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Anonymous wrote:St. Andrews gives zero boost. Even UVA and heck Penn State has more pull in some parts of America than St. Andrews does on a resume. The average American guy on the street, and hence the average hiring manager, wouldn’t be able to place it on a map.

Penn State? Come on, you're just a troll

Lmao St Andrews grads just are not working in like... supply chain management in suburban Pennsylvania... or other areas or fields where hiring managers don't know abt one of the top universities in the UK. St Andrews grads have international, cosmopolitan backgrounds, and opt for NYC, London, other global cities. The top fields that St Andrews grads go into are consulting and financial sector.

It's cliche, but choosing a college is about finding the right fit. Penn State isn't normally a dream school, but could be a great fit for those from PA wanting in-state tuition, rah rah types into college sports, those doing engineering/CS etc. St Andrews is a choice for a student who's a bit more refined, sophisticated, independent. StA is the opposite of a frat school

I think I just barfed in my mouth. And I’m an undergrad alum of an Ivy. St Andrew’s is gross and nowhere near as good a school as they so desperately pretend to be.

ivy undergrad how amazing, but never learned to distinguish penn from penn state

I don't think you know what you're trying to say. My comment wasn't about Penn State (or Penn, for that matter). It was about your incredibly pretentious, off-putting and frankly embarrassing remarks about St Andrews.

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Anonymous wrote:St. Andrews gives zero boost. Even UVA and heck Penn State has more pull in some parts of America than St. Andrews does on a resume. The average American guy on the street, and hence the average hiring manager, wouldn’t be able to place it on a map.

UVA’s got mad pull on the east coast.

Really?

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Anonymous wrote:My 34 ACT, 3.9 UW student got into Edinburgh, St. Andrews, UCL, as well as top ranked US schools - although not Ivies, which were never a consideration because of cost. My DC chose St. Andrews over Edinburgh because it's ranked much higher (in the UK rankings), has a much, much better student satisfaction score, and felt like a community, which was important. Going to university with fancy people with lots of money wasn't a determining factor. Yes, there are rich Americans at St. Andrews, but also at most top-ranked US schools. And honestly, if US employers don't pay attention to universities outside of the top 20 US schools, they will be at a disadvantage when recruiting for an increasingly global workforce.

No. That’s not how it works. That’s not how any of it works. US multi-nationals with satellite offices in foreign countries will recruit for those sites from the local universities. Ie Hague if an outpost in Netherlands. University of Bath for offices outside London. But a Pharma company without a presence in the UK is not going to fly out to the UK to recruit its openings in NJ USA. That’s just dumb. You were doing fine with your response until the last bit when you went hyperbolic with something you clearly don’t have experience with or understand

Ah, PP here. And the funny thing is, I do have experience and understand quite well, since I recruit for a consulting firm. And my company most certainly values degrees from McGill, Edinburgh, and St. Andrews, even when hiring for US based positions. Sorry.

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Consulting’s in on the scam, lol!

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Anonymous wrote:St. Andrews gives zero boost. Even UVA and heck Penn State has more pull in some parts of America than St. Andrews does on a resume. The average American guy on the street, and hence the average hiring manager, wouldn’t be able to place it on a map.

UVA’s got mad pull on the east coast.

Really?

It doesn’t. NYC here. PP is a UVA booster.

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Anonymous wrote:St. Andrews gives zero boost. Even UVA and heck Penn State has more pull in some parts of America than St. Andrews does on a resume. The average American guy on the street, and hence the average hiring manager, wouldn’t be able to place it on a map.

UVA’s got mad pull on the east coast.

Really?

It doesn’t. NYC here. PP is a UVA booster.

I’m an employer from NYC and UVA is held in well regard. Around the same as UNC CH and Michigan.

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Anonymous wrote:St. Andrews gives zero boost. Even UVA and heck Penn State has more pull in some parts of America than St. Andrews does on a resume. The average American guy on the street, and hence the average hiring manager, wouldn’t be able to place it on a map.

UVA’s got mad pull on the east coast.

Really?

It doesn’t. NYC here. PP is a UVA booster.

I’m an employer from NYC and UVA is held in well regard. Around the same as UNC CH and Michigan.

So, you're an employer. Of what though? Your own plumbing company or your branch of MacDonalds? Seriously your statement holds no weight without specifics.

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Anonymous wrote:St. Andrews gives zero boost. Even UVA and heck Penn State has more pull in some parts of America than St. Andrews does on a resume. The average American guy on the street, and hence the average hiring manager, wouldn’t be able to place it on a map.

UVA’s got mad pull on the east coast.

Really?

It doesn’t. NYC here. PP is a UVA booster.

I’m an employer from NYC and UVA is held in well regard. Around the same as UNC CH and Michigan.

So, you're an employer. Of what though? Your own plumbing company or your branch of MacDonalds? Seriously your statement holds no weight without specifics.

Not the PP but anyone in educated circles or desirable metros will undoubtedly know abt UVA, Michigan, UNC CH-- all strong, respectable flagships among the top public universities in the USA

[Anonymous]

Minimum American entry standards sure are low compared to Oxbridge-LSE for St A’s: 36 IB score, 28+ ACT, 650+ SAT 2s, As and Bs grades

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Anonymous wrote:Minimum American entry standards sure are low compared to Oxbridge-LSE for St A’s: 36 IB score, 28+ ACT, 650+ SAT 2s, As and Bs grades

They're comparatively low for two reasons:

1) This is the baseline, difficulty of admission varies greatly by subject. IR and Medicine for example are much harder than some others. And if you want to get in you better have 5s on APs/high SAT II scores in subjects relevant to the subject you apply for

2) Standards are a bit lower for Americans and other international students

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Anonymous wrote:Schools like McGill and St. Andrews are seen as a clear step below the top ranked (think top 30-40 or so) schools. I'm sure you can still get a decent education at them, but I'm a little baffled as to why people seem convinced they'd give you a leg up in the job market stateside. I'm a hiring manager. It's not.

If DC wants to stay abroad or live in those countries for the mid- to long-term, go for it. Otherwise, staying in America is the wiser choice.

If you’re still here: how do you feel about Dutch and German universities? Example: the University of Amsterdam.

I don't think Americans know one way or there other. A given dutch university could be world class or equivalent of community college and I doubt most American hr departments would know the difference. I think if you go that route, the intent has to be to stay in Europe, at least while you start your career

Thanks. Maybe my son will slide into staying in Europe.