Safety that isn’t a party school?

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Anonymous wrote:These threads become meaningless real fast. Everyone is just throwing names around. It makes no sense and not helpful at all.

Agree.

However, I think that SMCM and College of Wooster are useful, on point suggestions. (I really do, but I recognize the irony of my post.)

So are St. Olaf, Dickinson Juanita and some of the lower ranked seven sisters (not Barnard or Wellesley, yes Sarah Lawrence (now coed) and MHC). Yes, Mary Washington for instate VA. Guilford College in GSO, NC is Quaker and a nice choice. A 1350-1400 SAT kid with a mix of As and Bs and a couple of APs the last two years should get into these schools and have a good chance at enough merit to make it in state comparable.

+1 And add Macalester for a kid who wants a LAC with an urban setting. Their typical merit isn't as high as some of the others but they do offer merit unlike higher ranked LACs.

Mac isn’t a safety school. It’s as hard or harder than Oberlin or Kenyon. And it’s merit is generally poor.

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Anonymous wrote:Georgia Tech, U Michigan, University of Wisconsin- Madison

Come on these are not safeties. Wisconsin in some cases but even that is a stretch.

Georgia Tech's 2020 acceptance rate was 21%, average admit GPA is 4.07, average SAT is 1465. I expect that out of state is tougher than instate.

Out of state is significantly harder than in state. And Engineering is very, very tough OOS. Not sure why you would got to tech for non-SAtEm. It’s like going to VT for non -STEM. But harder to get into and more expensive (assuming VA residency).

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Anonymous wrote:My DD is going to UChicago next fall. A safety on her list was Santa Clara. Look at that school, OP!

Another safety was Rochester.

One that was not a safety (it came up as a target) was Scripps. I think Scripps is fantastic. It's a women's college but surrounded by the other Claremont Colleges so it's not isolated. Kids can and do take courses at the other colleges so you get the benefit of the other colleges.

Also, check out Case Western. It might be a target, not a safety...but could be just what your DD wants. It seems to be an up-and-coming school that just never got its marketing right, and once it does, I think it will become a lot more selective.

Case Western and Rochester are excellent suggestions. If they are safeties, which they may not be.

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Anonymous wrote:These threads become meaningless real fast. Everyone is just throwing names around. It makes no sense and not helpful at all.

Agree.

However, I think that SMCM and College of Wooster are useful, on point suggestions. (I really do, but I recognize the irony of my post.)

So are St. Olaf, Dickinson Juanita and some of the lower ranked seven sisters (not Barnard or Wellesley, yes Sarah Lawrence (now coed) and MHC). Yes, Mary Washington for instate VA. Guilford College in GSO, NC is Quaker and a nice choice. A 1350-1400 SAT kid with a mix of As and Bs and a couple of APs the last two years should get into these schools and have a good chance at enough merit to make it in state comparable.

Sarah Lawrence is not one of the seven sisters schools.

The seven sisters are Radcliffe, Vassar, Barnard, Bryn Mawr, Mount Holyoke, Smith, and Wellesley.

Fine. You win. Sarah Lawrence is still a good safety.

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Anonymous wrote:My DD is going to UChicago next fall. A safety on her list was Santa Clara. Look at that school, OP!

Another safety was Rochester.

One that was not a safety (it came up as a target) was Scripps. I think Scripps is fantastic. It's a women's college but surrounded by the other Claremont Colleges so it's not isolated. Kids can and do take courses at the other colleges so you get the benefit of the other colleges.

Also, check out Case Western. It might be a target, not a safety...but could be just what your DD wants. It seems to be an up-and-coming school that just never got its marketing right, and once it does, I think it will become a lot more selective.

Case Western and Rochester are excellent suggestions. If they are safeties, which they may not be.

They aren’t safeties. Especially from the DMV. Case especially has good merit, plus rock start pre-med and engineering. And single entry. So engineering students all compete with non-engineers for entry and declare a year later.

Rochester is T30.

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Anonymous wrote:My DD is going to UChicago next fall. A safety on her list was Santa Clara. Look at that school, OP!

Another safety was Rochester.

One that was not a safety (it came up as a target) was Scripps. I think Scripps is fantastic. It's a women's college but surrounded by the other Claremont Colleges so it's not isolated. Kids can and do take courses at the other colleges so you get the benefit of the other colleges.

Also, check out Case Western. It might be a target, not a safety...but could be just what your DD wants. It seems to be an up-and-coming school that just never got its marketing right, and once it does, I think it will become a lot more selective.

Case Western and Rochester are excellent suggestions. If they are safeties, which they may not be.

They aren’t safeties. Especially from the DMV. Case especially has good merit, plus rock start pre-med and engineering. And single entry. So engineering students all compete with non-engineers for entry and declare a year later.

Rochester is T30.

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Anonymous wrote:My DD is going to UChicago next fall. A safety on her list was Santa Clara. Look at that school, OP!

Another safety was Rochester.

One that was not a safety (it came up as a target) was Scripps. I think Scripps is fantastic. It's a women's college but surrounded by the other Claremont Colleges so it's not isolated. Kids can and do take courses at the other colleges so you get the benefit of the other colleges.

Also, check out Case Western. It might be a target, not a safety...but could be just what your DD wants. It seems to be an up-and-coming school that just never got its marketing right, and once it does, I think it will become a lot more selective.

Case Western and Rochester are excellent suggestions. If they are safeties, which they may not be.

They aren’t safeties. Especially from the DMV. Case especially has good merit, plus rock start pre-med and engineering. And single entry. So engineering students all compete with non-engineers for entry and declare a year later.

Rochester is T30.

PP you quoted and I agree but this thread makes no sense anyway.

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Anonymous wrote:+1 for CTCL

minus 1000 for these schools. they're not for "serious" students at all -- they're for students who weren't "serious" enough in high school to get into a decent college in the first place! just look at their graduation rates, which don't compare well at all with higher ranked colleges. serious students graduate!

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the College of New Jersey, a SLAC that's a public school. Not too hard to get into, but it's a solid school. A friend teaches there, and she loves the kids. Says they are very diverse, and very hardworking.

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minus 1000 for these [CTCL] schools. they're not for "serious" students at all -- they're for students who weren't "serious" enough in high school to get into a decent college in the first place! just look at their graduation rates, which don't compare well at all with higher ranked colleges. serious students graduate!

The above has been flagged for being inconsistent with the truth.

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minus 1000 for these [CTCL] schools. they're not for "serious" students at all -- they're for students who weren't "serious" enough in high school to get into a decent college in the first place! just look at their graduation rates, which don't compare well at all with higher ranked colleges. serious students graduate!

The above has been flagged for being inconsistent with the truth.

What's not true about it? Do CTCL schools typically attract the nation's top high school students? Do they have graduation rates on par with the nation's top colleges? The answers to both questions are demonstrably "no."

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minus 1000 for these [CTCL] schools. they're not for "serious" students at all -- they're for students who weren't "serious" enough in high school to get into a decent college in the first place! just look at their graduation rates, which don't compare well at all with higher ranked colleges. serious students graduate!

The above has been flagged for being inconsistent with the truth.

What's not true about it? Do CTCL schools typically attract the nation's top high school students? Do they have graduation rates on par with the nation's top colleges? The answers to both questions are demonstrably "no."

Sure they don't compare with HYP, etc. But I just looked at Naviance for Juniata (the first CTCL school that I could think of) and it has a 4 year graduation rate of 76%. That's higher than both VT (61%) and UMDCP (67%). Are we now saying that those aren't "decent colleges" for "serious" students?

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minus 1000 for these [CTCL] schools. they're not for "serious" students at all -- they're for students who weren't "serious" enough in high school to get into a decent college in the first place! just look at their graduation rates, which don't compare well at all with higher ranked colleges. serious students graduate!

The above has been flagged for being inconsistent with the truth.

What's not true about it? Do CTCL schools typically attract the nation's top high school students? Do they have graduation rates on par with the nation's top colleges? The answers to both questions are demonstrably "no."

Sure they don't compare with HYP, etc. But I just looked at Naviance for Juniata (the first CTCL school that I could think of) and it has a 4 year graduation rate of 76%. That's higher than both VT (61%) and UMDCP (67%). Are we now saying that those aren't "decent colleges" for "serious" students?

Your numbers are wrong. Both of these schools have graduation rates in the 80s. Show your work.

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minus 1000 for these [CTCL] schools. they're not for "serious" students at all -- they're for students who weren't "serious" enough in high school to get into a decent college in the first place! just look at their graduation rates, which don't compare well at all with higher ranked colleges. serious students graduate!

The above has been flagged for being inconsistent with the truth.

What's not true about it? Do CTCL schools typically attract the nation's top high school students? Do they have graduation rates on par with the nation's top colleges? The answers to both questions are demonstrably "no."

Sure they don't compare with HYP, etc. But I just looked at Naviance for Juniata (the first CTCL school that I could think of) and it has a 4 year graduation rate of 76%. That's higher than both VT (61%) and UMDCP (67%). Are we now saying that those aren't "decent colleges" for "serious" students?

Your numbers are wrong. Both of these schools have graduation rates in the 80s. Show your work.

I cited my source (Naviance). I have no idea how to screenshot that here, but it's available for you to check for yourself if you have access. UMDCPs 6 year graduation rate is in the 80's, yes, but the 4 year rate is lower.

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