MD parents: You're going to want to do everything you can to keep your kid's spot

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Will this affect infant spots? The CDC recommendation is no more than 10 kids per room, but in MD it is usually 6 (with 2 providers).

I haven't read the entire thread so maybe this has already been pointed out, but it's 10 people per room, not 10 kids. Staff, therapists, volunteers, etc are included in that count.

That should still work for infants. But I have no idea how the numbers will work more generally.

If you limit classes to only 7-8 kids/room, there is no way a daycare can afford to operate, especially because there will be increased costs with new PPE, added cleaning costs, and probably other things.

But, if they don't open at limited capacity, the willingness of parents to pay indefinitely for no service is going to lessen. With more limited money coming in, how are they going to make rent and other expenses they have even when closed.

I don't know the answer. They probably can't open at full strength for quite some time. But, without being able to do so, I don't know how they will be able to operate profitably. I thought previously that people saying there would be widespread closures, but now I am thinking that is more likely.

I'm wondering if they can put up partitions in rooms and basically split up the teachers?

[Anonymous]

OP, I know which daycare you are talking about. We can work from home till end of July, and possibly longer. I want to keep our spot, and I DO REALLY want to send my child back to daycare once it is opened to all non-essential personnel. The question is I am conflicted of keeping child at home with us not learning much/drive us crazy(virtual distance learning not working) or risking my child by sending her back to daycare.

I understand the priority system because of limited space, but I hear that they are not guaranteed a spot unless you keep on paying full tuition which increase the possibility & I am not sending back my child definitely not in June or July. We may or high chance not sending our child back till we feel comfortable & forced to head back to work in office. I don't feel like paying full tuition & we are not well off, money is tight. We are frustrated.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP, I know which daycare you are talking about. We can work from home till end of July, and possibly longer. I want to keep our spot, and I DO REALLY want to send my child back to daycare once it is opened to all non-essential personnel. The question is I am conflicted of keeping child at home with us not learning much/drive us crazy(virtual distance learning not working) or risking my child by sending her back to daycare.

I understand the priority system because of limited space, but I hear that they are not guaranteed a spot unless you keep on paying full tuition which increase the possibility & I am not sending back my child definitely not in June or July. We may or high chance not sending our child back till we feel comfortable & forced to head back to work in office. I don't feel like paying full tuition & we are not well off, money is tight. We are frustrated.

I don’t think we’re at the same school, because that’s not what they said.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP, I know which daycare you are talking about. We can work from home till end of July, and possibly longer. I want to keep our spot, and I DO REALLY want to send my child back to daycare once it is opened to all non-essential personnel. The question is I am conflicted of keeping child at home with us not learning much/drive us crazy(virtual distance learning not working) or risking my child by sending her back to daycare.

I understand the priority system because of limited space, but I hear that they are not guaranteed a spot unless you keep on paying full tuition which increase the possibility & I am not sending back my child definitely not in June or July. We may or high chance not sending our child back till we feel comfortable & forced to head back to work in office. I don't feel like paying full tuition & we are not well off, money is tight. We are frustrated.

I don’t think we’re at the same school, because that’s not what they said.

Pp here, I think we are. Is it G school at G city? That is how I interpret by the email they send to us yesterday.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Will this affect infant spots? The CDC recommendation is no more than 10 kids per room, but in MD it is usually 6 (with 2 providers).

I haven't read the entire thread so maybe this has already been pointed out, but it's 10 people per room, not 10 kids. Staff, therapists, volunteers, etc are included in that count.

There is no way that there are going to be therapists, volunteers, or parents allowed in classrooms while the numbers are so tight.

A bigger problem is going to be things like lunch breaks and bathroom breaks for staff. Most daycares cover those with floaters, or by having only a half wall between rooms, so that 2 rooms count as one, which means rations are in order. Neither of those strategies may work.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Will this affect infant spots? The CDC recommendation is no more than 10 kids per room, but in MD it is usually 6 (with 2 providers).

I haven't read the entire thread so maybe this has already been pointed out, but it's 10 people per room, not 10 kids. Staff, therapists, volunteers, etc are included in that count.

That should still work for infants. But I have no idea how the numbers will work more generally.

If you limit classes to only 7-8 kids/room, there is no way a daycare can afford to operate, especially because there will be increased costs with new PPE, added cleaning costs, and probably other things.

But, if they don't open at limited capacity, the willingness of parents to pay indefinitely for no service is going to lessen. With more limited money coming in, how are they going to make rent and other expenses they have even when closed.

I don't know the answer. They probably can't open at full strength for quite some time. But, without being able to do so, I don't know how they will be able to operate profitably. I thought previously that people saying there would be widespread closures, but now I am thinking that is more likely.

I'm wondering if they can put up partitions in rooms and basically split up the teachers?

Maybe. But, I don't think you could have only one teacher in a class for any great length of time, even if ratios were ok, and I'm not sure how floaters would work without defeating the purpose of separation.

Also, space would be really tight and some things that are needed (possibly by regulation, if not just practically speaking) such as sinks and bathrooms might only be on one side of the partition. Even if possible, rearranging the plumbing would be very expensive. Then, you have the issue of kids being separated from -- but likely still being able to hear -- their friends. If that were the only issue, they would probably just have to suck it up, but good luck telling that to a 3 year old.

I truly don't know how the logistics and economics of limited opening are going to work.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Will this affect infant spots? The CDC recommendation is no more than 10 kids per room, but in MD it is usually 6 (with 2 providers).

I haven't read the entire thread so maybe this has already been pointed out, but it's 10 people per room, not 10 kids. Staff, therapists, volunteers, etc are included in that count.

That should still work for infants. But I have no idea how the numbers will work more generally.

If you limit classes to only 7-8 kids/room, there is no way a daycare can afford to operate, especially because there will be increased costs with new PPE, added cleaning costs, and probably other things.

But, if they don't open at limited capacity, the willingness of parents to pay indefinitely for no service is going to lessen. With more limited money coming in, how are they going to make rent and other expenses they have even when closed.

I don't know the answer. They probably can't open at full strength for quite some time. But, without being able to do so, I don't know how they will be able to operate profitably. I thought previously that people saying there would be widespread closures, but now I am thinking that is more likely.

I'm wondering if they can put up partitions in rooms and basically split up the teachers?

In DC at least, The partitions have to be at least 7 feet tall and cover the entire horizontal plane. And must be approved by the fire marshal. And people can no come within 6 feet of the partition on either side. Plus, each side of the partition has to be fully staffed (2 caregivers per side.) Not gonna work for most.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Will this affect infant spots? The CDC recommendation is no more than 10 kids per room, but in MD it is usually 6 (with 2 providers).

I haven't read the entire thread so maybe this has already been pointed out, but it's 10 people per room, not 10 kids. Staff, therapists, volunteers, etc are included in that count.

That should still work for infants. But I have no idea how the numbers will work more generally.

If you limit classes to only 7-8 kids/room, there is no way a daycare can afford to operate, especially because there will be increased costs with new PPE, added cleaning costs, and probably other things.

But, if they don't open at limited capacity, the willingness of parents to pay indefinitely for no service is going to lessen. With more limited money coming in, how are they going to make rent and other expenses they have even when closed.

I don't know the answer. They probably can't open at full strength for quite some time. But, without being able to do so, I don't know how they will be able to operate profitably. I thought previously that people saying there would be widespread closures, but now I am thinking that is more likely.

I'm wondering if they can put up partitions in rooms and basically split up the teachers?

In DC at least, The partitions have to be at least 7 feet tall and cover the entire horizontal plane. And must be approved by the fire marshal. And people can no come within 6 feet of the partition on either side. Plus, each side of the partition has to be fully staffed (2 caregivers per side.) Not gonna work for most.

There are already lots of classrooms with 1/2 walls to divide them. I think that putting in plexiglass partitions in those places will be possible, although 6 feet on either side is a lot. I don't see why it's not 3 feet on each side.

I don't think you could do this in a classroom that isn't already set up that way, because the chances that you'd have 2 exits in the room in the right place, and two handwashing stations is low.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP, I know which daycare you are talking about. We can work from home till end of July, and possibly longer. I want to keep our spot, and I DO REALLY want to send my child back to daycare once it is opened to all non-essential personnel. The question is I am conflicted of keeping child at home with us not learning much/drive us crazy(virtual distance learning not working) or risking my child by sending her back to daycare.

I understand the priority system because of limited space, but I hear that they are not guaranteed a spot unless you keep on paying full tuition which increase the possibility & I am not sending back my child definitely not in June or July. We may or high chance not sending our child back till we feel comfortable & forced to head back to work in office. I don't feel like paying full tuition & we are not well off, money is tight. We are frustrated.

I don’t think we’re at the same school, because that’s not what they said.

Pp here, I think we are. Is it G school at G city? That is how I interpret by the email they send to us yesterday.

Not sure why there is so much of secretly surrounding this. Are you talking about Goddard School or Georgetown Hill?

[Anonymous]

Lock these daycare providers up!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Lock these daycare providers up!

? Why?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Lock these daycare providers up!

If you're trying to be funny or sarcastic... fail.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP, I know which daycare you are talking about. We can work from home till end of July, and possibly longer. I want to keep our spot, and I DO REALLY want to send my child back to daycare once it is opened to all non-essential personnel. The question is I am conflicted of keeping child at home with us not learning much/drive us crazy(virtual distance learning not working) or risking my child by sending her back to daycare.

I understand the priority system because of limited space, but I hear that they are not guaranteed a spot unless you keep on paying full tuition which increase the possibility & I am not sending back my child definitely not in June or July. We may or high chance not sending our child back till we feel comfortable & forced to head back to work in office. I don't feel like paying full tuition & we are not well off, money is tight. We are frustrated.

You're frustrated because what they are doing is not legal, it's extortion. There are other ways to pick families without resorting to economic discrimination. The lottery system is widely used in educational settings. It could be a need-based selection, in which for example a single parent called back to work and needing childcare might be prioritized over someone else. Etc, etc...

Choosing the ones who paid while receiving no service is not only wrong, but potentially actionable. They would be ones most likely to be able to afford sitters or nannies anyway...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP, I know which daycare you are talking about. We can work from home till end of July, and possibly longer. I want to keep our spot, and I DO REALLY want to send my child back to daycare once it is opened to all non-essential personnel. The question is I am conflicted of keeping child at home with us not learning much/drive us crazy(virtual distance learning not working) or risking my child by sending her back to daycare.

I understand the priority system because of limited space, but I hear that they are not guaranteed a spot unless you keep on paying full tuition which increase the possibility & I am not sending back my child definitely not in June or July. We may or high chance not sending our child back till we feel comfortable & forced to head back to work in office. I don't feel like paying full tuition & we are not well off, money is tight. We are frustrated.

You're frustrated because what they are doing is not legal, it's extortion. There are other ways to pick families without resorting to economic discrimination. The lottery system is widely used in educational settings. It could be a need-based selection, in which for example a single parent called back to work and needing childcare might be prioritized over someone else. Etc, etc...

Choosing the ones who paid while receiving no service is not only wrong, but potentially actionable. They would be ones most likely to be able to afford sitters or nannies anyway...

Explain to me how you would prioritize. They are giving essential workers priority, but beyond that, how would you do it? You’re choosing a single parent, but there are many other categories of people who could argue for priority.

In fact, if you prioritize based on a non-monetary basis, you really do risk ACTUALLY discriminating against people. But you seem exceptionally ignorant of the law, so I wouldn’t expect you to understand that.

[Anonymous]

Initially daycares are going to be required to implement all kinds of practices, many of which there is considerable uncertainty about whether they actually work. Then, people are going to realize that many of these practices at worst prevent daycares from operating profitability (eg limits on class sizes) or at best are impossible to implement and ineffective (eg, masks for two year olds who will touch them all day negating the purpose). Then hopefully our sane leaders will keep those things that are doable and sensible (like temperature checks) and allow the rest to go by the wayside.