When will schools like Janney step up and do their fair share to take at-risk kids??

[Anonymous]

“JavaScript Code monkey” is the new “Auto shop”.

A little flip, but I’m serious.
Cars are becoming more reliable and also increasingly fixable only by the manufacturer.

Meanwhile there are a LOT of low level coding jobs being created.

The high-skill blue collar kid of the 70s became an auto mechanic. The high-skill blue collar kid of the 2020s is going to end up a commodity coder.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Janney teachers are not prepared to take at-risk kids. The only reason Janney is high performing is the students come from families that are highly educated. The teachers are average at best and many have serious classroom management issues in the case when there is a child who is disruptive. Yes - the environment is better than most schools across DCPS - but it is not the end all be all.

Cause you rich privileged kids are never disruptive??? Try again.

You think rich elementary aged kids with two parents are as prone to behavior issues as at risk kids with impoverished home lives, a uneducated parent and society as a whole crapping on them every chance they get. I would say “try again” to be cute but I doubt you can do better. Look at suspension rates for poor dc kids and you can rationalize all you want but it is magnitudes higher and the administration is black so what exactly is your excuse?

Of course rich privileged kids are disruptive. But there aren't gangs pushing them on to worse and worse behavior on school grounds. There aren't older cousins and friends telling them it's ok to smack a teacher for disrespecting you. There aren't neighborhood crews to walk through in the morning to get to school that make "safe passage" a joke. They are not coming to school hungry, hangry and without the necessary supplies. They aren't coming to school without help for their homework or extra tutoring. And it's not all about behavior and discipline -- try teaching in a class where students are from 1-2 grade levels above to 4-5 grade levels below. Try teaching in middle school, where there are kids on a Kindergarten level and some ready for high school in the same class. Or teaching high school, where there are kids who are non-readers. I'm sure teachers at Janney are good but the teachers at my school who deal with so much more are great -- and their measure is in more than just test scores.

I think this thread is rather ridiculous -- opening up Janney and other schools is not going to solve our at-risk performance problem. We need deep investment and more resources to serve at-risk kids. Even though I think it's ridiculous, I really wish DC would just try it once -- sending a majority of students with significant needs to the "great" schools and let's see how that works out.

I think the more interesting experiment would be to flip the teachers. Send the Ward 3 elementary teachers to teach in the lowest 10 elementary schools and vice versa.

[Anonymous]

Can you force a teacher to change schools?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Can you force a teacher to change schools?

No. But this entire thread is a thought experiment so why not imagine it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Janney teachers are not prepared to take at-risk kids. The only reason Janney is high performing is the students come from families that are highly educated. The teachers are average at best and many have serious classroom management issues in the case when there is a child who is disruptive. Yes - the environment is better than most schools across DCPS - but it is not the end all be all.

Cause you rich privileged kids are never disruptive??? Try again.

You think rich elementary aged kids with two parents are as prone to behavior issues as at risk kids with impoverished home lives, a uneducated parent and society as a whole crapping on them every chance they get. I would say “try again” to be cute but I doubt you can do better. Look at suspension rates for poor dc kids and you can rationalize all you want but it is magnitudes higher and the administration is black so what exactly is your excuse?

Of course rich privileged kids are disruptive. But there aren't gangs pushing them on to worse and worse behavior on school grounds. There aren't older cousins and friends telling them it's ok to smack a teacher for disrespecting you. There aren't neighborhood crews to walk through in the morning to get to school that make "safe passage" a joke. They are not coming to school hungry, hangry and without the necessary supplies. They aren't coming to school without help for their homework or extra tutoring. And it's not all about behavior and discipline -- try teaching in a class where students are from 1-2 grade levels above to 4-5 grade levels below. Try teaching in middle school, where there are kids on a Kindergarten level and some ready for high school in the same class. Or teaching high school, where there are kids who are non-readers. I'm sure teachers at Janney are good but the teachers at my school who deal with so much more are great -- and their measure is in more than just test scores.

I think this thread is rather ridiculous -- opening up Janney and other schools is not going to solve our at-risk performance problem. We need deep investment and more resources to serve at-risk kids. Even though I think it's ridiculous, I really wish DC would just try it once -- sending a majority of students with significant needs to the "great" schools and let's see how that works out.

I think the more interesting experiment would be to flip the teachers. Send the Ward 3 elementary teachers to teach in the lowest 10 elementary schools and vice versa.

This. A much easier experiment. Let’s see DC offer highly effective teachers a salary incentive to move from low at-risk schools to schools with at least 70% at-risk. 10,000 a year to teach in the highest at-risk schools.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Janney teachers are not prepared to take at-risk kids. The only reason Janney is high performing is the students come from families that are highly educated. The teachers are average at best and many have serious classroom management issues in the case when there is a child who is disruptive. Yes - the environment is better than most schools across DCPS - but it is not the end all be all.

Cause you rich privileged kids are never disruptive??? Try again.

You think rich elementary aged kids with two parents are as prone to behavior issues as at risk kids with impoverished home lives, a uneducated parent and society as a whole crapping on them every chance they get. I would say “try again” to be cute but I doubt you can do better. Look at suspension rates for poor dc kids and you can rationalize all you want but it is magnitudes higher and the administration is black so what exactly is your excuse?

Of course rich privileged kids are disruptive. But there aren't gangs pushing them on to worse and worse behavior on school grounds. There aren't older cousins and friends telling them it's ok to smack a teacher for disrespecting you. There aren't neighborhood crews to walk through in the morning to get to school that make "safe passage" a joke. They are not coming to school hungry, hangry and without the necessary supplies. They aren't coming to school without help for their homework or extra tutoring. And it's not all about behavior and discipline -- try teaching in a class where students are from 1-2 grade levels above to 4-5 grade levels below. Try teaching in middle school, where there are kids on a Kindergarten level and some ready for high school in the same class. Or teaching high school, where there are kids who are non-readers. I'm sure teachers at Janney are good but the teachers at my school who deal with so much more are great -- and their measure is in more than just test scores.

I think this thread is rather ridiculous -- opening up Janney and other schools is not going to solve our at-risk performance problem. We need deep investment and more resources to serve at-risk kids. Even though I think it's ridiculous, I really wish DC would just try it once -- sending a majority of students with significant needs to the "great" schools and let's see how that works out.

THIS. It’s not the schools. It’s what happens outside of school. The at risk kids won’t do much better at Janney.

They don’t have stability at homes, parents invested in their education, suffer more trauma and violence, have food and housing insecurity, etc...etc....

It doesn’t change just because you move them to a wealthier school. They don’t miraculously do better. All these external factors have a huge impact on why they don’t do well at school.

[Anonymous]

There are some low-income families who are stable enough to get their kids WOTP each day and who want to deal with the culture clashes of being in a tiny economic (and often racial) minority at an extremely rich school. I would love it if Janney and other schools had their boundaries and lottery process adjusted to make that possible.

There are probably more low-income families who do not want to bring their kids to Tenleytown each day and don't even like the policies and culture at schools like Janney. I know lots of families who would turn down a seat at Janney for a seat at KIPP or DC Prep or their IB school or a language immersion program or a scholarship to private or parochial school (and if you are a motivated and stable low-income family with a high-performing kid, those scholarships are there). And when you look at the scores for at-risk, economically disadvantaged, or African-American students at some WOTP schools, I don't necessarily think these parents are making the wrong choice.

I'm glad there are options. I want there to be better options for kids whose parents can't take them across town each day, and I want the at-risk kids whose parents are willing to take them WOTP (or who already live there) to get a boost in the lottery for PK and OOB, and I want the schools to be more welcoming to families that aren't rich (I'm looking at you, Lafayette, with your >$100 "classroom activity fee" in addition to PTA dues).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:“JavaScript Code monkey” is the new “Auto shop”.

A little flip, but I’m serious.
Cars are becoming more reliable and also increasingly fixable only by the manufacturer.

Meanwhile there are a LOT of low level coding jobs being created.

The high-skill blue collar kid of the 70s became an auto mechanic. The high-skill blue collar kid of the 2020s is going to end up a commodity coder.

Omg you are so outdated. Low level coding is slowly being automated. AI is starting to do this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There are some low-income families who are stable enough to get their kids WOTP each day and who want to deal with the culture clashes of being in a tiny economic (and often racial) minority at an extremely rich school. I would love it if Janney and other schools had their boundaries and lottery process adjusted to make that possible.

There are probably more low-income families who do not want to bring their kids to Tenleytown each day and don't even like the policies and culture at schools like Janney. I know lots of families who would turn down a seat at Janney for a seat at KIPP or DC Prep or their IB school or a language immersion program or a scholarship to private or parochial school (and if you are a motivated and stable low-income family with a high-performing kid, those scholarships are there). And when you look at the scores for at-risk, economically disadvantaged, or African-American students at some WOTP schools, I don't necessarily think these parents are making the wrong choice.

I'm glad there are options. I want there to be better options for kids whose parents can't take them across town each day, and I want the at-risk kids whose parents are willing to take them WOTP (or who already live there) to get a boost in the lottery for PK and OOB, and I want the schools to be more welcoming to families that aren't rich (I'm looking at you, Lafayette, with your >$100 "classroom activity fee" in addition to PTA dues).

This is so baffling. You want to be able to send your kids to “those” schools but you wish there were fewer “rich” kids?! Seriously, what about those schools appears desirable to you that is fully separable from there being a lot of kids there with highly-educated parents?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Janney teachers are not prepared to take at-risk kids. The only reason Janney is high performing is the students come from families that are highly educated. The teachers are average at best and many have serious classroom management issues in the case when there is a child who is disruptive. Yes - the environment is better than most schools across DCPS - but it is not the end all be all.

Cause you rich privileged kids are never disruptive??? Try again.

You think rich elementary aged kids with two parents are as prone to behavior issues as at risk kids with impoverished home lives, a uneducated parent and society as a whole crapping on them every chance they get. I would say “try again” to be cute but I doubt you can do better. Look at suspension rates for poor dc kids and you can rationalize all you want but it is magnitudes higher and the administration is black so what exactly is your excuse?

Of course rich privileged kids are disruptive. But there aren't gangs pushing them on to worse and worse behavior on school grounds. There aren't older cousins and friends telling them it's ok to smack a teacher for disrespecting you. There aren't neighborhood crews to walk through in the morning to get to school that make "safe passage" a joke. They are not coming to school hungry, hangry and without the necessary supplies. They aren't coming to school without help for their homework or extra tutoring. And it's not all about behavior and discipline -- try teaching in a class where students are from 1-2 grade levels above to 4-5 grade levels below. Try teaching in middle school, where there are kids on a Kindergarten level and some ready for high school in the same class. Or teaching high school, where there are kids who are non-readers. I'm sure teachers at Janney are good but the teachers at my school who deal with so much more are great -- and their measure is in more than just test scores.

I think this thread is rather ridiculous -- opening up Janney and other schools is not going to solve our at-risk performance problem. We need deep investment and more resources to serve at-risk kids. Even though I think it's ridiculous, I really wish DC would just try it once -- sending a majority of students with significant needs to the "great" schools and let's see how that works out.

I think the more interesting experiment would be to flip the teachers. Send the Ward 3 elementary teachers to teach in the lowest 10 elementary schools and vice versa.

This. A much easier experiment. Let’s see DC offer highly effective teachers a salary incentive to move from low at-risk schools to schools with at least 70% at-risk. 10,000 a year to teach in the highest at-risk schools.

Or perhaps let’s see DC invest more in helping at-risk families rather than expecting schools to be a magical solution.

[Anonymous]

There is no room at Janney for “at risk” or O.O.B. students. Janney arguably is over-crowded as it is. However, Eaton is now being expanded to guarantee a substantial O.O.B. Population going forward into the foreseeable future. This will ensure that Ward 3/EOTP is meeting its fair obligation to offer school spots for less fortunate students.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Janney teachers are not prepared to take at-risk kids. The only reason Janney is high performing is the students come from families that are highly educated. The teachers are average at best and many have serious classroom management issues in the case when there is a child who is disruptive. Yes - the environment is better than most schools across DCPS - but it is not the end all be all.

Cause you rich privileged kids are never disruptive??? Try again.

You think rich elementary aged kids with two parents are as prone to behavior issues as at risk kids with impoverished home lives, a uneducated parent and society as a whole crapping on them every chance they get. I would say “try again” to be cute but I doubt you can do better. Look at suspension rates for poor dc kids and you can rationalize all you want but it is magnitudes higher and the administration is black so what exactly is your excuse?

Of course rich privileged kids are disruptive. But there aren't gangs pushing them on to worse and worse behavior on school grounds. There aren't older cousins and friends telling them it's ok to smack a teacher for disrespecting you. There aren't neighborhood crews to walk through in the morning to get to school that make "safe passage" a joke. They are not coming to school hungry, hangry and without the necessary supplies. They aren't coming to school without help for their homework or extra tutoring. And it's not all about behavior and discipline -- try teaching in a class where students are from 1-2 grade levels above to 4-5 grade levels below. Try teaching in middle school, where there are kids on a Kindergarten level and some ready for high school in the same class. Or teaching high school, where there are kids who are non-readers. I'm sure teachers at Janney are good but the teachers at my school who deal with so much more are great -- and their measure is in more than just test scores.

I think this thread is rather ridiculous -- opening up Janney and other schools is not going to solve our at-risk performance problem. We need deep investment and more resources to serve at-risk kids. Even though I think it's ridiculous, I really wish DC would just try it once -- sending a majority of students with significant needs to the "great" schools and let's see how that works out.

I think the more interesting experiment would be to flip the teachers. Send the Ward 3 elementary teachers to teach in the lowest 10 elementary schools and vice versa.

This. A much easier experiment. Let’s see DC offer highly effective teachers a salary incentive to move from low at-risk schools to schools with at least 70% at-risk. 10,000 a year to teach in the highest at-risk schools.

Or perhaps let’s see DC invest more in helping at-risk families rather than expecting schools to be a magical solution.

What does investing look like to you?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Janney teachers are not prepared to take at-risk kids. The only reason Janney is high performing is the students come from families that are highly educated. The teachers are average at best and many have serious classroom management issues in the case when there is a child who is disruptive. Yes - the environment is better than most schools across DCPS - but it is not the end all be all.

Cause you rich privileged kids are never disruptive??? Try again.

You think rich elementary aged kids with two parents are as prone to behavior issues as at risk kids with impoverished home lives, a uneducated parent and society as a whole crapping on them every chance they get. I would say “try again” to be cute but I doubt you can do better. Look at suspension rates for poor dc kids and you can rationalize all you want but it is magnitudes higher and the administration is black so what exactly is your excuse?

Of course rich privileged kids are disruptive. But there aren't gangs pushing them on to worse and worse behavior on school grounds. There aren't older cousins and friends telling them it's ok to smack a teacher for disrespecting you. There aren't neighborhood crews to walk through in the morning to get to school that make "safe passage" a joke. They are not coming to school hungry, hangry and without the necessary supplies. They aren't coming to school without help for their homework or extra tutoring. And it's not all about behavior and discipline -- try teaching in a class where students are from 1-2 grade levels above to 4-5 grade levels below. Try teaching in middle school, where there are kids on a Kindergarten level and some ready for high school in the same class. Or teaching high school, where there are kids who are non-readers. I'm sure teachers at Janney are good but the teachers at my school who deal with so much more are great -- and their measure is in more than just test scores.

I think this thread is rather ridiculous -- opening up Janney and other schools is not going to solve our at-risk performance problem. We need deep investment and more resources to serve at-risk kids. Even though I think it's ridiculous, I really wish DC would just try it once -- sending a majority of students with significant needs to the "great" schools and let's see how that works out.

I think the more interesting experiment would be to flip the teachers. Send the Ward 3 elementary teachers to teach in the lowest 10 elementary schools and vice versa.

This. A much easier experiment. Let’s see DC offer highly effective teachers a salary incentive to move from low at-risk schools to schools with at least 70% at-risk. 10,000 a year to teach in the highest at-risk schools.

Or perhaps let’s see DC invest more in helping at-risk families rather than expecting schools to be a magical solution.

Schools aren't a magical solution but they can be a better solution. Besides, it's unfair to have teachers and school staff working with large populations of at-risk students without the resources needed. Even if DC invests more in helping at-risk families, the children of those families will still be in schools. The schools should have the necessary social workers, interventionists, smaller class sizes and more.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There is no room at Janney for “at risk” or O.O.B. students. Janney arguably is over-crowded as it is. However, Eaton is now being expanded to guarantee a substantial O.O.B. Population going forward into the foreseeable future. This will ensure that Ward 3/EOTP is meeting its fair obligation to offer school spots for less fortunate students.

Given that John Eaton traditionally had significant OOB, this is an appropriate solution for Ward 3.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Just stop the SJW stuff already.

Liberals are suppose to hate charter schools... because they blah, blah, blah take money from failing public schools and they want only the rich to have school choice.