Is it possible to teach kids to be inclusive and not racist when

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No, the whole world's housing supply is not based on zoning that only allows single-family detached houses on large-ish lots.

Wtf is diverse housing?

It sure as heck does not mean way below market cost in any big city. That uneconomical and unsustainable.

So you’re going to go do some tear downs in NYC, LOndon, Paris, Tokyo, Frankfurt, Tel Aviv, San Paulo, Mexico City and slap up some council housing for the poors and illegal immigrants? Good luck with that. Wonder what will happen.... probably the same thing that always happens to the projects.

Btw, thanx to the PPP who succinctly described the global property value function. Unclear if Econ is required in uber progressive county school systems.

Different housing types. Detached houses, duplexes, rowhouses, triple deckers, small multi-family buildings, larger multi-family buildings, rental housing, owner-occupied housing... That's pretty basic.

But in most of Bethesda, only detached houses are allowed, because of zoning.

I don't understand what you're talking about with "tear downs in NYC, London, Paris, Tokyo..." These are enormous cities with millions and millions of inhabitants - and diverse housing, too.

poor people are getting pushed out of those places at record rates. Stuff held in weak hands is quickly taken. All one can do is not be weak. Being poor sucks and that is one of the reasons.

The people who sold in the gentrification area pocked a lot of cash. Aren't you happy they made money?

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I'm the poster who made the original comment re Sherwood. We live in Olney, and I obviously know it isn't part of the DCC. My comment referenced down county friends who criticize Sherwood (i.e.: our friends who live in the DCC area). No clue why subsequent posters started lumping Sherwood in with the DCC.

Re: the DP who said it might be a farms related comment - perhaps. Although the comments I've heard firsthand apply to racial demographics. People seem to think the school is 100% white kids (they probably think we still have farms (the kind with animals; the kinds where we used to have field parties back in the 80s/90s) in Olney, too). It's true that we don't have a lot of FARMs; that's because we don't have much rental housing (not a lot of apartments or condos).

That didn't just happen to happen that way.

depends on zoning laws

Years ago, 108 was a narrow road surrounded by farming community. Multi-housing units aren't existing on well and septic.

so no - It DIDN'T just happen that way; it happened for a very different reason than you're implying.

All of those Olney subdivisions are on well and septic? I didn't know that.

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Anonymous wrote:The kids who express racist views at the majority white MoCo middle school where I teach learn it so early they don't really understand it. Then, when their beliefs are called into question they become incredibly defensive because accepting that those beliefs are wrong means rejecting their parents and the people at their country clubs. It's really tragic, all the more so because the few students of color inevitably accept and excuse the behavior of their friends in order to fit in. Personally, I'm really glad Whitman's principal is focusing on character education, but I agree with others: it's hard to combat what kids are learning at home.

Their parents move heaven and earth to buy into a W school specifically because of demographics. That speaks volumes about their beliefs and values.

This thread prompted me to check out the demographics of other schools. Wooton has a rather sizable Asian demographic. Interestingly, I've had friends from down county criticize our high school as being "too white/not diverse," yet it seems far more diverse than the Whitman. (Talking about Sherwood.)

It's most likely a hidden "FARMs" comment. Sherwood HS has fewer FARMs than any DCC school. I agree that SHS has grown in diversity. It's now about half white, half minority - but only 15% FARMs.

Northwood, for example, is over 50% FARMs.

Sherwood is not in the DCC cluster. Sherwood is its own cluster. Sherwood when DH was a student was primarily white, a few black faces, very little Latinos or Asians. Is Sherwood a smidge more diverse? Sure. But Sherwood is in Olney, which has the small town feel and can be cliquey depending on who you ask. Kids can be taught to be racially sensitive and inclusive but make their own paths as we saw with the Charlottesville riots. The parents of one kid explicitly stated on TV that they taught their kid about inclusiveness and they have friends of varying backgrounds. Every child/person must choose a path that they feel most comfortable with, whether it is inclusiveness or exclusiveness. I’m not sure why the OP of this thread even has this thread. I’m a MCPS teacher and we’ve had every kind of divesirty training that I can think of and varying ways to get kids to be inclusive......However, again it is up to the individual child.

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Don't SCHOOL me or use an eye roll. I was comparing Sherwood to a DCC school. We WERE in the Sherwood cluster, and I taught in the NEC when the Sherwood community refused to become part of the consortium b/c they wanted to commit to community. As a "trade off," they were given an ESOL program that serves SHS and the NEC.

I know the entire area (MCPS) and system very well, as I was born and raised in Mo Co. and attended MCPS schools. I know SHS very well. It's not a La La Land for inclusiveness, by the way. . . . .been around as long as I have and you get some insider scoop

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Anonymous wrote:there are essentially no black kids in their school? It's my understanding that the few black kids at whitman are leaving for private, AND that the principal has made it a mission to create an inclusive student body that doesn't target anyone because of their differences. This is a laudible goal, but is it possible for him to be successful in that goal when there's no diversity to speak of at the school? I'm hoping he can make progress, obviously, but am upset that the little diversity there was is now basically nonexistent.

Read the book, Raising White Kids. It’s good for teachers too. The author moved from somewhere diverse like NYC to somewhere in Iowa...that’s not. And she has tips for those situations too.

I appreciate you as a staff person OP, who cares about the kids. White kids who are not taught how to how to exist in a diverse culture will be disadvantaged as adults.

How is reading a book helpful and telling your kids about diversity if you don't live in a mixed community? The same goes for an all black or hispanic or asian community as well. Many people deliberately live in communities with similar people (some because of financial, some comfort). Its not just white kids who are not taught diversity. And, white kids can be poor as well. Your post makes no sense. You are also living in a bubble. Its not something you can teach.

Read the book. It’s legitimate to ask that question. But close minded to think it’s Impossible.

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No, the whole world's housing supply is not based on zoning that only allows single-family detached houses on large-ish lots.

Wtf is diverse housing?

It sure as heck does not mean way below market cost in any big city. That uneconomical and unsustainable.

So you’re going to go do some tear downs in NYC, LOndon, Paris, Tokyo, Frankfurt, Tel Aviv, San Paulo, Mexico City and slap up some council housing for the poors and illegal immigrants? Good luck with that. Wonder what will happen.... probably the same thing that always happens to the projects.

Btw, thanx to the PPP who succinctly described the global property value function. Unclear if Econ is required in uber progressive county school systems.

Different housing types. Detached houses, duplexes, rowhouses, triple deckers, small multi-family buildings, larger multi-family buildings, rental housing, owner-occupied housing... That's pretty basic.

But in most of Bethesda, only detached houses are allowed, because of zoning.

I don't understand what you're talking about with "tear downs in NYC, London, Paris, Tokyo..." These are enormous cities with millions and millions of inhabitants - and diverse housing, too.

Downtown Bethesda has lots of apartment buildings. Some older ones, and lots that have gone up in the last 10 years. There are also a lot of newer townhome developments further north near the beltway and 270. But being townhomes and apartments does not make them affordable for low-income people.

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No, the whole world's housing supply is not based on zoning that only allows single-family detached houses on large-ish lots.

Wtf is diverse housing?

It sure as heck does not mean way below market cost in any big city. That uneconomical and unsustainable.

So you’re going to go do some tear downs in NYC, LOndon, Paris, Tokyo, Frankfurt, Tel Aviv, San Paulo, Mexico City and slap up some council housing for the poors and illegal immigrants? Good luck with that. Wonder what will happen.... probably the same thing that always happens to the projects.

Btw, thanx to the PPP who succinctly described the global property value function. Unclear if Econ is required in uber progressive county school systems.

Different housing types. Detached houses, duplexes, rowhouses, triple deckers, small multi-family buildings, larger multi-family buildings, rental housing, owner-occupied housing... That's pretty basic.

But in most of Bethesda, only detached houses are allowed, because of zoning.

I don't understand what you're talking about with "tear downs in NYC, London, Paris, Tokyo..." These are enormous cities with millions and millions of inhabitants - and diverse housing, too.

Downtown Bethesda has lots of apartment buildings. Some older ones, and lots that have gone up in the last 10 years. There are also a lot of newer townhome developments further north near the beltway and 270. But being townhomes and apartments does not make them affordable for low-income people.

Yes, downtown Bethesda has lots of apartment buildings. The rest of Bethesda, on the other hand...

Also, nobody ever said, "The only reason why there should be housing that isn't single-family detached houses in yards is affordability for low-income people." There are lots of reasons.

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Bethesda was not always what it was and it was previously reasonably diverse. Its only become that way in the last 15-20 years.

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Density issues for roads, schools, public works prohibit rampant high density housing builds.

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Anonymous wrote:Density issues for roads, schools, public works prohibit rampant high density housing builds.

Density issues prohibit building density! - is basically a tautology.

Anyway, just as there are housing issues that aren't increasing housing that's affordable for low-income people, there are ways to increase density that aren't building Manhattan skyscrapers.