COSA denial - submitting an appeal but do we mention "gifted" designation?

[Anonymous]

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Agreed but you fail to mention the ratios. Going by performance, the remedial classes will be disproportionately black and Hispanic. Many people here want to throw out the data lest the optics look bad. Most high schools have a basic functionality math class, what do you think the group of kids looks like that take that sort of class? Very poor and the type of kids who have more immediate stuff to focus on rather than school. That is rarely white kids around these parts but some think it it isn’t an ideal mix of SES and racial diversity it is racist?

Now please explain how this is relevant to any given kid being gifted or not. I'll give you a hint: it's not. Because statistics about groups tell you NOTHING about individuals.

DP

Tell that to MCPS. MCPS disagrees with you and has it’s main focus as ‘closing the achievement gap’. Why does MCPS care so much about that if statistics tell you nothing about individual kids?

FTR, I agree with you and think there needs to be more of a focus on showing improvement in ALL kids. Quit the ridiculous focus on race.

No, MCPS does not. MCPS is able to understand that statistics about groups provide useful information, while simultaneously understanding that statistics about groups tell you nothing about individuals.

But if one had to predict, you could be right more than you’re wrong.

[Anonymous]

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Agreed but you fail to mention the ratios. Going by performance, the remedial classes will be disproportionately black and Hispanic. Many people here want to throw out the data lest the optics look bad. Most high schools have a basic functionality math class, what do you think the group of kids looks like that take that sort of class? Very poor and the type of kids who have more immediate stuff to focus on rather than school. That is rarely white kids around these parts but some think it it isn’t an ideal mix of SES and racial diversity it is racist?

Now please explain how this is relevant to any given kid being gifted or not. I'll give you a hint: it's not. Because statistics about groups tell you NOTHING about individuals.

DP

Tell that to MCPS. MCPS disagrees with you and has it’s main focus as ‘closing the achievement gap’. Why does MCPS care so much about that if statistics tell you nothing about individual kids?

FTR, I agree with you and think there needs to be more of a focus on showing improvement in ALL kids. Quit the ridiculous focus on race.

No, MCPS does not. MCPS is able to understand that statistics about groups provide useful information, while simultaneously understanding that statistics about groups tell you nothing about individuals.

But if one had to predict, you could be right more than you’re wrong.

I really hope that you're not a teacher in MCPS, classifying students into gifted/remedial classes based on their race/ethnicity. Sorry, kid, I put you in the wrong class, but hey, I coulda been right!

[Anonymous]

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Agreed but you fail to mention the ratios. Going by performance, the remedial classes will be disproportionately black and Hispanic. Many people here want to throw out the data lest the optics look bad. Most high schools have a basic functionality math class, what do you think the group of kids looks like that take that sort of class? Very poor and the type of kids who have more immediate stuff to focus on rather than school. That is rarely white kids around these parts but some think it it isn’t an ideal mix of SES and racial diversity it is racist?

Now please explain how this is relevant to any given kid being gifted or not. I'll give you a hint: it's not. Because statistics about groups tell you NOTHING about individuals.

DP

Tell that to MCPS. MCPS disagrees with you and has it’s main focus as ‘closing the achievement gap’. Why does MCPS care so much about that if statistics tell you nothing about individual kids?

FTR, I agree with you and think there needs to be more of a focus on showing improvement in ALL kids. Quit the ridiculous focus on race.

No, MCPS does not. MCPS is able to understand that statistics about groups provide useful information, while simultaneously understanding that statistics about groups tell you nothing about individuals.

Sounds like some fantastic MCPS gibberish to me.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Agreed but you fail to mention the ratios. Going by performance, the remedial classes will be disproportionately black and Hispanic. Many people here want to throw out the data lest the optics look bad. Most high schools have a basic functionality math class, what do you think the group of kids looks like that take that sort of class? Very poor and the type of kids who have more immediate stuff to focus on rather than school. That is rarely white kids around these parts but some think it it isn’t an ideal mix of SES and racial diversity it is racist?

Now please explain how this is relevant to any given kid being gifted or not. I'll give you a hint: it's not. Because statistics about groups tell you NOTHING about individuals.

DP

Tell that to MCPS. MCPS disagrees with you and has it’s main focus as ‘closing the achievement gap’. Why does MCPS care so much about that if statistics tell you nothing about individual kids?

FTR, I agree with you and think there needs to be more of a focus on showing improvement in ALL kids. Quit the ridiculous focus on race.

No, MCPS does not. MCPS is able to understand that statistics about groups provide useful information, while simultaneously understanding that statistics about groups tell you nothing about individuals.

Sounds like some fantastic MCPS gibberish to me.

DP. Actually that’s pretty much the deal with statistics. I used to work in public health. Later, I worked for NAEP. Later still, I worked for the AFL-CIO. I have never worked in Central Office. But I know when statistics can be useful (looking a trends in group outcomes) and when they aren’t worth a damn (deciding the fate of) individuals)