Naviance is wrong

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Anonymous wrote:Don’t trust naviance. My son with near perfect SAT score and 4.89 GPA was rejected from every single school except for his safeties.

. What was his unweighted GPA? WHat were the target schools where he was not admitted? The crap shoot schools are crap shoots for nearly everyone.

And the problem for kids who are in-range for the tippy top schools is that everything else is a safety by definition.

[Anonymous]

Naviance should only be used to know where NOT to apply, because you don't have the stats.

OP - you kid may be super smart, but maybe they are boring in the view of the schools they applied to.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Don’t trust naviance. My son with near perfect SAT score and 4.89 GPA was rejected from every single school except for his safeties.

Troll. No one has a 4.89 GPA.

Do you know how easy that is to get at MCPS?

BS. It is not easy. There are many required classes that are not possible to be weighted, Algebra, First two years language, Art elective, iED, PE. Not saying it is impossible but if a kid has 4.89 junior year it is very impressive. It mean running the table with A’s and taking every possible class honors/AP.

Some kids are able to place directly into an art class that has honors weight (a chamber orchestra or chamber choir, for example). The availability of this for freshmen depends on the school. Tech credit can be earned through AP Computer Science Principles, which may be an easy class, but still carries AP credit. Some kids get so bored in the early foreign language classes that they decide to skip one of them. (Or they transfer in from middle private school and place out of Foreign Language 1 and/or 2 through a placement test). Kids who transfer from a middle private and took algebra there don't have unweighted (or any) algebra 1 on their high school transcript. The only high school class that MUST be taken non-honors is PE. That's it. If someone puts PE off until senior year, it's not part of the grades 9-11 WGPA.

I don't think that students have to go through any of the aforementioned hoops to avoid non-Honors classes, but for some, this is just what happens naturally.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Here's an example from DD's Naviance: I'm picking NYU, because it's popular, but my DD doesn't want to go there. In the last 3 years, 33 students have applied and 6 have been accepted. That's an acceptance rate of 18%, which is much lower than the national acceptance rate for NYU. Looking more closely at the Scattergram, 6 out of 7 students who applied with an SAT over 1400 got accepted. (I'm not sure how many years of application cycles the Scattergrams cover). There were many students waitlisted who scored between 1350 and 1400.

My DD is at a school with a high poverty rate. Less than 50% of students go directly to a 4 year university. A small percentage go out of state. I think that in this circumstance, a high SAT counts for a lot, because universities can't trust that an A means a lot (there isn't much competition). We have a very diverse school, and I want to assure the public that URM's are not getting high acceptance rates simply because they are URM.

It's also possible that NYU doesn't bother to admit many students from DD's school because NYU knows that it offers crappy financial aid. The yield is not likely to be high once students see the bottom line. My conclusion is that IF DD wanted to go to NYU, she would have a very good chance with a 1400+ SAT, but nothing is guaranteed. Thoughts?

NYU acceptance rate for 2019 was 16%. I am nit sure what old data you are looking at .... 2018 was 18%. So you entire point us dumb.

Naviance for my DD's school lists the national acceptance rate for NYU as 35% in a huge font. It claims the data is from 2018. Can I sue Naviance for serious inaccuracy? I believed what it told me. It sounds like the acceptance rate for NYU has decreased rapidly in the past few years. If that's the case, the acceptance rate at DD's school has been lower than the national acceptance rate from the same years.

The opposite is true with more unusual schools. So few people apply to U Toronto from DD's school that the acceptance rate is extremely high.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Here's an example from DD's Naviance: I'm picking NYU, because it's popular, but my DD doesn't want to go there. In the last 3 years, 33 students have applied and 6 have been accepted. That's an acceptance rate of 18%, which is much lower than the national acceptance rate for NYU. Looking more closely at the Scattergram, 6 out of 7 students who applied with an SAT over 1400 got accepted. (I'm not sure how many years of application cycles the Scattergrams cover). There were many students waitlisted who scored between 1350 and 1400.

My DD is at a school with a high poverty rate. Less than 50% of students go directly to a 4 year university. A small percentage go out of state. I think that in this circumstance, a high SAT counts for a lot, because universities can't trust that an A means a lot (there isn't much competition). We have a very diverse school, and I want to assure the public that URM's are not getting high acceptance rates simply because they are URM.

It's also possible that NYU doesn't bother to admit many students from DD's school because NYU knows that it offers crappy financial aid. The yield is not likely to be high once students see the bottom line. My conclusion is that IF DD wanted to go to NYU, she would have a very good chance with a 1400+ SAT, but nothing is guaranteed. Thoughts?

NYU acceptance rate for 2019 was 16%. I am nit sure what old data you are looking at .... 2018 was 18%. So you entire point us dumb.

Naviance for my DD's school lists the national acceptance rate for NYU as 35% in a huge font. It claims the data is from 2018. Can I sue Naviance for serious inaccuracy? I believed what it told me. It sounds like the acceptance rate for NYU has decreased rapidly in the past few years. If that's the case, the acceptance rate at DD's school has been lower than the national acceptance rate from the same years.

The opposite is true with more unusual schools. So few people apply to U Toronto from DD's school that the acceptance rate is extremely high.

No. Silly. Naviance is a tool that reports things. If there is anyththing to sue it is about the fact that we can back out information about individuals, and some of that info is private. That's on the school, though. Not on naviance.

These are small samples you know nothing about. Six of seven kids? Anything is possible.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Here's an example from DD's Naviance: I'm picking NYU, because it's popular, but my DD doesn't want to go there. In the last 3 years, 33 students have applied and 6 have been accepted. That's an acceptance rate of 18%, which is much lower than the national acceptance rate for NYU. Looking more closely at the Scattergram, 6 out of 7 students who applied with an SAT over 1400 got accepted. (I'm not sure how many years of application cycles the Scattergrams cover). There were many students waitlisted who scored between 1350 and 1400.

My DD is at a school with a high poverty rate. Less than 50% of students go directly to a 4 year university. A small percentage go out of state. I think that in this circumstance, a high SAT counts for a lot, because universities can't trust that an A means a lot (there isn't much competition). We have a very diverse school, and I want to assure the public that URM's are not getting high acceptance rates simply because they are URM.

It's also possible that NYU doesn't bother to admit many students from DD's school because NYU knows that it offers crappy financial aid. The yield is not likely to be high once students see the bottom line. My conclusion is that IF DD wanted to go to NYU, she would have a very good chance with a 1400+ SAT, but nothing is guaranteed. Thoughts?

NYU acceptance rate for 2019 was 16%. I am nit sure what old data you are looking at .... 2018 was 18%. So you entire point us dumb.

Naviance for my DD's school lists the national acceptance rate for NYU as 35% in a huge font. It claims the data is from 2018. Can I sue Naviance for serious inaccuracy? I believed what it told me. It sounds like the acceptance rate for NYU has decreased rapidly in the past few years. If that's the case, the acceptance rate at DD's school has been lower than the national acceptance rate from the same years.

The opposite is true with more unusual schools. So few people apply to U Toronto from DD's school that the acceptance rate is extremely high.

No. Silly. Naviance is a tool that reports things. If there is anyththing to sue it is about the fact that we can back out information about individuals, and some of that info is private. That's on the school, though. Not on naviance.

These are small samples you know nothing about. Six of seven kids? Anything is possible.

But, I've seen a serious trend that the chances of getting admitted are much higher above a certain SAT score. Yes, students with lower SAT scores are admitted, but they must have some hook. This is useful information. I just don't know why Naviance thinks that the acceptance rate for NYU is so high nationally. I have seen other blips that give very low average SAT scores for certain universities, and they are just so ridiculous that I know that someone made a typo.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here's an example from DD's Naviance: I'm picking NYU, because it's popular, but my DD doesn't want to go there. In the last 3 years, 33 students have applied and 6 have been accepted. That's an acceptance rate of 18%, which is much lower than the national acceptance rate for NYU. Looking more closely at the Scattergram, 6 out of 7 students who applied with an SAT over 1400 got accepted. (I'm not sure how many years of application cycles the Scattergrams cover). There were many students waitlisted who scored between 1350 and 1400.

My DD is at a school with a high poverty rate. Less than 50% of students go directly to a 4 year university. A small percentage go out of state. I think that in this circumstance, a high SAT counts for a lot, because universities can't trust that an A means a lot (there isn't much competition). We have a very diverse school, and I want to assure the public that URM's are not getting high acceptance rates simply because they are URM.

It's also possible that NYU doesn't bother to admit many students from DD's school because NYU knows that it offers crappy financial aid. The yield is not likely to be high once students see the bottom line. My conclusion is that IF DD wanted to go to NYU, she would have a very good chance with a 1400+ SAT, but nothing is guaranteed. Thoughts?

NYU acceptance rate for 2019 was 16%. I am nit sure what old data you are looking at .... 2018 was 18%. So you entire point us dumb.

Naviance for my DD's school lists the national acceptance rate for NYU as 35% in a huge font. It claims the data is from 2018. Can I sue Naviance for serious inaccuracy? I believed what it told me. It sounds like the acceptance rate for NYU has decreased rapidly in the past few years. If that's the case, the acceptance rate at DD's school has been lower than the national acceptance rate from the same years.

The opposite is true with more unusual schools. So few people apply to U Toronto from DD's school that the acceptance rate is extremely high.

No. Silly. Naviance is a tool that reports things. If there is anyththing to sue it is about the fact that we can back out information about individuals, and some of that info is private. That's on the school, though. Not on naviance.

These are small samples you know nothing about. Six of seven kids? Anything is possible.

But, I've seen a serious trend that the chances of getting admitted are much higher above a certain SAT score. Yes, students with lower SAT scores are admitted, but they must have some hook. This is useful information. I just don't know why Naviance thinks that the acceptance rate for NYU is so high nationally. I have seen other blips that give very low average SAT scores for certain universities, and they are just so ridiculous that I know that someone made a typo.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Here's an example from DD's Naviance: I'm picking NYU, because it's popular, but my DD doesn't want to go there. In the last 3 years, 33 students have applied and 6 have been accepted. That's an acceptance rate of 18%, which is much lower than the national acceptance rate for NYU. Looking more closely at the Scattergram, 6 out of 7 students who applied with an SAT over 1400 got accepted. (I'm not sure how many years of application cycles the Scattergrams cover). There were many students waitlisted who scored between 1350 and 1400.

My DD is at a school with a high poverty rate. Less than 50% of students go directly to a 4 year university. A small percentage go out of state. I think that in this circumstance, a high SAT counts for a lot, because universities can't trust that an A means a lot (there isn't much competition). We have a very diverse school, and I want to assure the public that URM's are not getting high acceptance rates simply because they are URM.

It's also possible that NYU doesn't bother to admit many students from DD's school because NYU knows that it offers crappy financial aid. The yield is not likely to be high once students see the bottom line. My conclusion is that IF DD wanted to go to NYU, she would have a very good chance with a 1400+ SAT, but nothing is guaranteed. Thoughts?

NYU acceptance rate for 2019 was 16%. I am nit sure what old data you are looking at .... 2018 was 18%. So you entire point us dumb.

Naviance for my DD's school lists the national acceptance rate for NYU as 35% in a huge font. It claims the data is from 2018. Can I sue Naviance for serious inaccuracy? I believed what it told me. It sounds like the acceptance rate for NYU has decreased rapidly in the past few years. If that's the case, the acceptance rate at DD's school has been lower than the national acceptance rate from the same years.

The opposite is true with more unusual schools. So few people apply to U Toronto from DD's school that the acceptance rate is extremely high.

Normal motivated parents read and use something called the internet. Those numbers are from 2012 or maybe 2013. If all the data is that old your son did not apply to any target schools at all. Sadly since the information and data was publicly available, the blame lies directly with you and your son. I guess you did no research and did not go to any college fairs.. or read articles about education. Odd??

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Wait a second, OP’s child had close to 1600 SAT and close to 4.0 unweighted gpa (and clearly a rigorous course load in weighted gpa was close to 5.0) and no one thinks it is unusual that he was rejected from UIUC?? Even with no extracurriculars he should have been a lock, come on. Frankly I am surprised he was not admitted to Carnegie Melon either, unless he applied to CS. I am sorry OP, that must be very disappointing to your son. I hope that he is happy with his admitted choice and I am sure that he will do great wherever he lands.

CMU CS and UIUC CS have applicant pools that are just as competitive as Caltech/MIT/Stanford. 1600 SAT and perfect GPA are just floor level of achievement not the ceiling.

First, I don’t think OP said her child applied to CS. But regardless, the collective applicants and admittees of UIUC CS are not on par with MIT or CalTech, get real.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here's an example from DD's Naviance: I'm picking NYU, because it's popular, but my DD doesn't want to go there. In the last 3 years, 33 students have applied and 6 have been accepted. That's an acceptance rate of 18%, which is much lower than the national acceptance rate for NYU. Looking more closely at the Scattergram, 6 out of 7 students who applied with an SAT over 1400 got accepted. (I'm not sure how many years of application cycles the Scattergrams cover). There were many students waitlisted who scored between 1350 and 1400.

My DD is at a school with a high poverty rate. Less than 50% of students go directly to a 4 year university. A small percentage go out of state. I think that in this circumstance, a high SAT counts for a lot, because universities can't trust that an A means a lot (there isn't much competition). We have a very diverse school, and I want to assure the public that URM's are not getting high acceptance rates simply because they are URM.

It's also possible that NYU doesn't bother to admit many students from DD's school because NYU knows that it offers crappy financial aid. The yield is not likely to be high once students see the bottom line. My conclusion is that IF DD wanted to go to NYU, she would have a very good chance with a 1400+ SAT, but nothing is guaranteed. Thoughts?

NYU acceptance rate for 2019 was 16%. I am nit sure what old data you are looking at .... 2018 was 18%. So you entire point us dumb.

Naviance for my DD's school lists the national acceptance rate for NYU as 35% in a huge font. It claims the data is from 2018. Can I sue Naviance for serious inaccuracy? I believed what it told me. It sounds like the acceptance rate for NYU has decreased rapidly in the past few years. If that's the case, the acceptance rate at DD's school has been lower than the national acceptance rate from the same years.

The opposite is true with more unusual schools. So few people apply to U Toronto from DD's school that the acceptance rate is extremely high.

Normal motivated parents read and use something called the internet. Those numbers are from 2012 or maybe 2013. If all the data is that old your son did not apply to any target schools at all. Sadly since the information and data was publicly available, the blame lies directly with you and your son. I guess you did no research and did not go to any college fairs.. or read articles about education. Odd??

You are rude. My kid is not a senior and is not interested in NYU. Naviance says that the 35% is from 2018. I didn't expect Naviance to lie. NYU is not a school that I personally care about, so I did not check the stat until someone pointed out the error.

[Anonymous]

Naviance isn’t “lying.” They are licensing an out of date data set. There are a bunch of caveats in the agreement you agreed to about data accuracy.

Naviance is a good tool to plot you against students st your own school. But it is only a starting point. You need to also factor in what the colleges put in their Common Data Set.

I am sorry OPs school counselors didn’t convey that messsge. Ours did more than once.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Wait a second, OP’s child had close to 1600 SAT and close to 4.0 unweighted gpa (and clearly a rigorous course load in weighted gpa was close to 5.0) and no one thinks it is unusual that he was rejected from UIUC?? Even with no extracurriculars he should have been a lock, come on. Frankly I am surprised he was not admitted to Carnegie Melon either, unless he applied to CS. I am sorry OP, that must be very disappointing to your son. I hope that he is happy with his admitted choice and I am sure that he will do great wherever he lands.

CMU CS and UIUC CS have applicant pools that are just as competitive as Caltech/MIT/Stanford. 1600 SAT and perfect GPA are just floor level of achievement not the ceiling.

First, I don’t think OP said her child applied to CS. But regardless, the collective applicants and admittees of UIUC CS are not on par with MIT or CalTech, get real.

Have a look: http://csrankings.org/#/index?all&northamerica

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Who said Naviance was a definite predictor of where your kid would get in?

No one, however, it is misleading. So just a heads up

Grades and test scores gets your application a review, but admission is based on other things.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am sorry if your son is disappointed...but I think what people are saying is that a lot of low chances do not add up (in a cumulative way) to a large chance. He was unlikely (statistically) to get into his reaches (or they would have been targets). Don't know how optimistic you were in choosing your targets.

It is also possible (though I know that this is hard for a parent to hear) that his essay or recommendations were not well received.

Consider this a teachable moment...He will learn that there are many paths to a happy future.

This exactly. I have a friend whose son was rejected from many schools (targets and reaches) with near perfect SAT, 4.5 GPA, took every possible AP, high SAT II scores, etc. He had a great story to tell about struggles in his family life (alcoholism, etc.) but sadly, he did not let anyone review his essays prior to submitting them. His mom got a peak at his common app essay and did not like what she saw, but he refused to change it. He should have gotten into those schools with those stats and with the story he could have told. The essays are SO important.

[Anonymous]

Trying to predict admission decisions from Naviance is like trying to predict today’s weather based on this date’s historical weather records. It will give you a range of likely outcomes but there’s far too much uncertainty to make a specific prediction