Naviance is wrong

[Anonymous]

OP, smart kids THRIVE in safeties. They get early research positions, arent as stressed, and tend to be leaders in clubs and start new projections.

Who wants to go to a reach where you realize how smart you aren’t and feel like you are completing 24/7. High stress and depression runs rampant.

They don’t call CMU the school “where fun goes to decide” for nothing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here's an example from DD's Naviance: I'm picking NYU, because it's popular, but my DD doesn't want to go there. In the last 3 years, 33 students have applied and 6 have been accepted. That's an acceptance rate of 18%, which is much lower than the national acceptance rate for NYU. Looking more closely at the Scattergram, 6 out of 7 students who applied with an SAT over 1400 got accepted. (I'm not sure how many years of application cycles the Scattergrams cover). There were many students waitlisted who scored between 1350 and 1400.

My DD is at a school with a high poverty rate. Less than 50% of students go directly to a 4 year university. A small percentage go out of state. I think that in this circumstance, a high SAT counts for a lot, because universities can't trust that an A means a lot (there isn't much competition). We have a very diverse school, and I want to assure the public that URM's are not getting high acceptance rates simply because they are URM.

It's also possible that NYU doesn't bother to admit many students from DD's school because NYU knows that it offers crappy financial aid. The yield is not likely to be high once students see the bottom line. My conclusion is that IF DD wanted to go to NYU, she would have a very good chance with a 1400+ SAT, but nothing is guaranteed. Thoughts?

No, you have the acceptance rates wrong, sadly. The acceptance rate at NYU (Manhattan campus) this year was 16%. The average SAT was 1480. Average GPA was not provided. See https://www.nyu.edu/about/news-publications/news/2019/march/Class_of_2023_Admits.html

FWIW, my kid got waitlisted. 1500 SAT, other stats to match.


Wow.
Also FWIW, my kid got into only 1 of his reach schools, Michigan. (Yes, Michigan is definitely a reach school for every single out-of-state kid with a 1500 SAT. Anyone who tells you otherwise is dealing with very old info.) He was waitlisted at every other one, including Penn and Brown. (I was under no illusion that he had a shot at those, but it can be hard to dissuade someone who is 17.) Most of his friends who had similar stats and who got into one of their reach schools had the enormous legacy advantage.

In other words, the single best thing your child can do to prepare for college admissions is to be born to parents who graduated from his/her desired school. A study a while back calculated that being a legacy effectively gives a student a 160 point SAT boost. I'm going to guess that what it really does is put the student in a completely separate pile, where overall stats can be 3/4 of what everyone else's are. That's not to say that these kids aren't smart, hard-working, and deserving--but they're not smarter and more deserving, they're just luckier.

It's a stupid system that wastes countless hours and dollars, and your kid will probably still want to play the lottery, but as a parent you might as well go into it with your eyes open. Glad we did; wish I had been able to convince my kid, who is pretty down about his overall results, but really happy to be heading to Michigan.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here's an example from DD's Naviance: I'm picking NYU, because it's popular, but my DD doesn't want to go there. In the last 3 years, 33 students have applied and 6 have been accepted. That's an acceptance rate of 18%, which is much lower than the national acceptance rate for NYU. Looking more closely at the Scattergram, 6 out of 7 students who applied with an SAT over 1400 got accepted. (I'm not sure how many years of application cycles the Scattergrams cover). There were many students waitlisted who scored between 1350 and 1400.

My DD is at a school with a high poverty rate. Less than 50% of students go directly to a 4 year university. A small percentage go out of state. I think that in this circumstance, a high SAT counts for a lot, because universities can't trust that an A means a lot (there isn't much competition). We have a very diverse school, and I want to assure the public that URM's are not getting high acceptance rates simply because they are URM.

It's also possible that NYU doesn't bother to admit many students from DD's school because NYU knows that it offers crappy financial aid. The yield is not likely to be high once students see the bottom line. My conclusion is that IF DD wanted to go to NYU, she would have a very good chance with a 1400+ SAT, but nothing is guaranteed. Thoughts?

No, you have the acceptance rates wrong, sadly. The acceptance rate at NYU (Manhattan campus) this year was 16%. The average SAT was 1480. Average GPA was not provided. See https://www.nyu.edu/about/news-publications/news/2019/march/Class_of_2023_Admits.html

FWIW, my kid got waitlisted. 1500 SAT, other stats to match.

Also FWIW, my kid got into only 1 of his reach schools, Michigan. (Yes, Michigan is definitely a reach school for every single out-of-state kid with a 1500 SAT. Anyone who tells you otherwise is dealing with very old info.) He was waitlisted at every other one, including Penn and Brown. (I was under no illusion that he had a shot at those, but it can be hard to dissuade someone who is 17.) Most of his friends who had similar stats and who got into one of their reach schools had the enormous legacy advantage.

In other words, the single best thing your child can do to prepare for college admissions is to be born to parents who graduated from his/her desired school. A study a while back calculated that being a legacy effectively gives a student a 160 point SAT boost. I'm going to guess that what it really does is put the student in a completely separate pile, where overall stats can be 3/4 of what everyone else's are. That's not to say that these kids aren't smart, hard-working, and deserving--but they're not smarter and more deserving, they're just luckier.

It's a stupid system that wastes countless hours and dollars, and your kid will probably still want to play the lottery, but as a parent you might as well go into it with your eyes open. Glad we did; wish I had been able to convince my kid, who is pretty down about his overall results, but really happy to be heading to Michigan.

Wow.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Don’t trust naviance. My son with near perfect SAT score and 4.89 GPA was rejected from every single school except for his safeties.

Troll. No one has a 4.89 GPA.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Here's an example from DD's Naviance: I'm picking NYU, because it's popular, but my DD doesn't want to go there. In the last 3 years, 33 students have applied and 6 have been accepted. That's an acceptance rate of 18%, which is much lower than the national acceptance rate for NYU. Looking more closely at the Scattergram, 6 out of 7 students who applied with an SAT over 1400 got accepted. (I'm not sure how many years of application cycles the Scattergrams cover). There were many students waitlisted who scored between 1350 and 1400.

My DD is at a school with a high poverty rate. Less than 50% of students go directly to a 4 year university. A small percentage go out of state. I think that in this circumstance, a high SAT counts for a lot, because universities can't trust that an A means a lot (there isn't much competition). We have a very diverse school, and I want to assure the public that URM's are not getting high acceptance rates simply because they are URM.

It's also possible that NYU doesn't bother to admit many students from DD's school because NYU knows that it offers crappy financial aid. The yield is not likely to be high once students see the bottom line. My conclusion is that IF DD wanted to go to NYU, she would have a very good chance with a 1400+ SAT, but nothing is guaranteed. Thoughts?

NYU acceptance rate for 2019 was 16%. I am nit sure what old data you are looking at .... 2018 was 18%. So you entire point us dumb.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here's an example from DD's Naviance: I'm picking NYU, because it's popular, but my DD doesn't want to go there. In the last 3 years, 33 students have applied and 6 have been accepted. That's an acceptance rate of 18%, which is much lower than the national acceptance rate for NYU. Looking more closely at the Scattergram, 6 out of 7 students who applied with an SAT over 1400 got accepted. (I'm not sure how many years of application cycles the Scattergrams cover). There were many students waitlisted who scored between 1350 and 1400.

My DD is at a school with a high poverty rate. Less than 50% of students go directly to a 4 year university. A small percentage go out of state. I think that in this circumstance, a high SAT counts for a lot, because universities can't trust that an A means a lot (there isn't much competition). We have a very diverse school, and I want to assure the public that URM's are not getting high acceptance rates simply because they are URM.

It's also possible that NYU doesn't bother to admit many students from DD's school because NYU knows that it offers crappy financial aid. The yield is not likely to be high once students see the bottom line. My conclusion is that IF DD wanted to go to NYU, she would have a very good chance with a 1400+ SAT, but nothing is guaranteed. Thoughts?

If your kid is full-pay, I would say, chances are better.

84,000 kids applied. Don't think they have any trouble finding students, full pay or not. keep living in the past and wondering why your kids are getting shut out.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Don’t trust naviance. My son with near perfect SAT score and 4.89 GPA was rejected from every single school except for his safeties.

Troll. No one has a 4.89 GPA.

Not my kid, but yes, they do. If they take every class as an honors class or AP, including health and tech, and get an A in every class. This is what the kids feel they need to do to get into college.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:1. Weighted GPAs are worthless

2. High unweighted GPAs are not going to get you anywhere in the top 25 without a very rigorous course load with 4 years of every academic subject including foreign language.

3. Any college with a 25% or less acceptance rate is a lottery for kids with nearly perfect stats

4. Naviance does not account for recruits, legacies, courseload, first gen status, full pay status, etc.

5. It’s a tool, not a crystal ball.

Does AP Psych (after APUSH, AP Gov, and AP World) count as a decent 4th social studies/social science course? I'm not sure if the top schools want a fourth year of history or simply a 4th social studies course. Guidance counselor is not giving any advice in this area. I know of seniors who sign up for 4 arts classes (not even the most rigorous ones) and are disappointed when they don't get into their dream schools. Why do guidance counselors let capable students sign up for idiotic senior year schedules?

Nope. AP Psych, AP World and not as respected as AP Euro. It depends on your kids school

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Don’t trust naviance. My son with near perfect SAT score and 4.89 GPA was rejected from every single school except for his safeties.

Troll. No one has a 4.89 GPA.

Do you know how easy that is to get at MCPS?

[Anonymous]

how do you get a 4.89? I know all schools are different but my kid took the max offered and didn't have close to that (and got straight As).

I didn't read any other responses, but isn't Naviance self-reporting by kids as to where they were admitted? If so, IDK why anyone would trust it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Don’t trust naviance. My son with near perfect SAT score and 4.89 GPA was rejected from every single school except for his safeties.

Troll. No one has a 4.89 GPA.

Do you know how easy that is to get at MCPS?

BS. It is not easy. There are many required classes that are not possible to be weighted, Algebra, First two years language, Art elective, iED, PE. Not saying it is impossible but if a kid has 4.89 junior year it is very impressive. It mean running the table with A’s and taking every possible class honors/AP.

[Anonymous]

Please tell me the prior poster is not saying PE as in physical education pulls kids GPA down????? You could go Ivy but that PE class.. I have heard it all!

[Anonymous]

Loading up on AP’s like that to me, is not impressive...it is messed yo. But I am on a different page than many on this site.

[Anonymous]

Naviance does not show if a kid got in due to a hook. So this is where the college counselor can let you know or steer you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here's an example from DD's Naviance: I'm picking NYU, because it's popular, but my DD doesn't want to go there. In the last 3 years, 33 students have applied and 6 have been accepted. That's an acceptance rate of 18%, which is much lower than the national acceptance rate for NYU. Looking more closely at the Scattergram, 6 out of 7 students who applied with an SAT over 1400 got accepted. (I'm not sure how many years of application cycles the Scattergrams cover). There were many students waitlisted who scored between 1350 and 1400.

My DD is at a school with a high poverty rate. Less than 50% of students go directly to a 4 year university. A small percentage go out of state. I think that in this circumstance, a high SAT counts for a lot, because universities can't trust that an A means a lot (there isn't much competition). We have a very diverse school, and I want to assure the public that URM's are not getting high acceptance rates simply because they are URM.

It's also possible that NYU doesn't bother to admit many students from DD's school because NYU knows that it offers crappy financial aid. The yield is not likely to be high once students see the bottom line. My conclusion is that IF DD wanted to go to NYU, she would have a very good chance with a 1400+ SAT, but nothing is guaranteed. Thoughts?

If your kid is full-pay, I would say, chances are better.

umm. No. NYU could fill their class multiple times over with full pay kids.